Two awesome new unicycle T-shirts

[zod]

Originally posted by hopeful
My point is this: Can we not appreciate a well-designed t-shirt with a Unicycle AND a two dimensional rendering of a Beautiful Woman simply because we are insecure over our ability or inability to cope with what the MEDIA tries to force down our throats.

Well said Matt, you make us Carolinians look smart

[GILD]

Originally posted by hopeful
My point is this: Can we not appreciate a well-designed t-shirt with a Unicycle AND a two dimensional rendering of a Beautiful Woman simply because we are insecure over our ability or inability to cope with what the MEDIA tries to force down our throats.

shouldn’t the point be about our ability/inability to stand up for what we believe to be right/wrong despite what’s being forced down our throats by the media?

Bubbles, the girl on the uni’s name should be Bubbles

[system]

Re: Two awesome new unicycle T-shirts

bugman wrote:
> Scott Kurland, RMT wrote:
>> *paco wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> When is the female experience going to have a “complete and utter
>>> seperation [sic]” from the image of sex-object?
>>
>> Never.
>>
>>> That is not part of
>>> the female experience, that is an artificially imposed method for
>>> women to feel some sort of power in their lives, when it actually
>> is
>>> the exact opposite.
>>
>> What do you mean, artificially?
>> *
>
>
>
> Scott were you been? Glad your back, I can always use a good dose of
> Scott.[/color]

Brazilian jujitsu ate my free time. Now that I’m doing tournaments, though, I
gotta do more cardio, so back to Grendel.

> wentz wrote:
>> @Mc: Don’t worry about Scott. He’s already proven that he derives joy
>> from the suffering of others.

That’s a reason not to worry?

[hopeful]

thanks, zod.

gild, That’s what I was trying to say. You just put it into better words, because, let me tell you, at 3 am, I was struggling.

thanks,
matt

[system]

Paco

I would be proud to have a mother, sister or daughter that looked like that !

You missed the most important one…
I would really like to have a wife that looked like that !!!

Betty Bedford… ya baby !

I don’t have a mother, sister, daughter or wife.
My girlfriends name is Jennifer.

Darren

[zod]

Originally posted by Darren
[B]
Betty Bedford… ya baby !

[/B]

So Darren, do I get half a shirt for saying Betty???

[wentz]

Re: Re: Two awesome new unicycle T-shirts

Originally posted by Scott Kurland, RMT
That’s a reason not to worry?

Only time will tell. My opinion of you has been formed by a couple of past threads that didn’t really create a positive first impression. I am still fairly naieve about the world, and I refuse to believe that anyone who unicycles could hold the views you expressed in those threads. Therefore, I have to assume you enjoy being reactionary, and there’s no point worrying about someone who’s only trying to get a rise out of you.

]Originally posted by hopeful Feminism is respecting women not because they’re Women, but because they’re human, because anything a man can do, a Woman can do better.

First, while it’s wrong to assume that men are better than women, it’s equally wrong to assume women are better than men. Statements like the one quoted above tend to make people lose respect for any sort of gender equality movement.

Second, if you’re going to use feminist cliches that hurt the cause, you really should be using the word ‘Womyn’.

Third, anyone who was truly concerned about gender equality would be far more concerned about the segregation of public restrooms than about some silly little t-shirt. Unless “seperate but equal” works after all…

Sorry 'bout all that, but I’m in a funky mood lately, and low-quality feminism annoys me.
Rob

[wentz]

Anita Muni
-or-
Ivana Muni

[hopeful]

Wentz, I am sorry if the way that I choose to practice “feminism” differs from the way you choose to practice “feminism” and offends you. Maybe you should try being more open minded. Who’s to say what “low-quality feminism” is?

No two people practice anything exactly the same way, and if expressing my beliefs is “hurting the cause” exactly who defines what the cause is?

matt

[johnfoss]

Originally posted by hopeful
Feminism is respecting women not because they’re Women, but because they’re human, because anything a man can do, a Woman can do better. Feminism is a branch of humanism that focuses on breaking the barriers that we, as a society (in the US, at least, I can’t speak for other nations) have formed.

Strike the “better,” and call me a feminist too. Or don’t strike it, as you choose. But I believe in the “equal potential” part.

I change my vote to Betty. If Darren’s counting these. I like the mountain biking designation, and the way it works with Bedford.

I also like Wentz’s idea of Anita. It’s subliminal advertising: “Anita Bedford.” Gotta have one. Or one more.

[Sofa]

Hootie McBoob?

Busty St. Claire?

Chesty Larue?

(no points to the guesser of these origins)

[Jayne_ZA]

After all this talk about feminism, I thought I should post my favourite definition of feminim.

I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat. ~Rebecca West, 1913

Please note the date. The scary thing is that this is just as true today, 90 years later.

originally posted by Sofa
(no points to the guesser of these origins)

May I assume that Mrs Sofa had a look at the shirt and made these suggestions?

Jayne

[KJ-52]

Wow, this threads gotten big, and no I didn’t read all of them. I just wanted to point out that kids do look at this site, a lot of young people come here, they unicycle to ya know. Wouldn’t it be sad if they saw something they weren’t supposed to??? They see it enough everywhere else on the internet, why here?

Andrew

[system]

Re: Two awesome new unicycle T-shirts

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:56:46 -0600, Darren wrote:

>Betty ! Betty Bedford !
Reminiscent of Betty Boop in more than one way.

Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict

“Heck, even my toes were aching from trying to grip the soles of my shoes! - Tommy Thompson”

[paco]

Okay, I’ve kept my mouth shut for a while. It’s time to open it again. There are some personal views and insigths about these arguments I’d like to share.

Originally posted by hopeful
I view the shirt design as a satire on the whole “sex sells” point…

…So all we can do is say yes, Betty has these characteristics, because the Idea of Woman held by the artist was undoubtedly formed by some of the influential Women in his life…perhaps a sister or sisters, maybe a mother or at some point a mother figure, a female teacher, a friend who cared, a girlfriend or girlfriends.

Your argument got fuzzy here. Are you saying that it was satire or that Darren was trying to depict someone with genuine beauty? These two things are mutually exclusive, unless you’re saying that those mirrored girls on mud flaps have inner beauty as well.

You must also consider the fact that this post was intended to be an advertisment for Darren’s new shirts…

And in that, he succeeded. I hope he didn’t get too miffed about us criticizing them. If you’re going to open a can of worms (even unintentionally), you have to pay the consequences. It’s part of being an adult. And if more people go buy those shirts because of these arguments, they obviously weren’t the ones I was trying to reach. My target audience is those who didn’t have a concrete position on this issue. Hopefully someone will decide that it’s wrong after all. I used to be anti-feminist because no one had explained it to me very well. I thought feminism meant man-bashing. But because of my studies, I have seen what true feminism is, and I now stand up for what I believe in (if you didn’t already catch that part).

Feminism is respecting women not because they’re Women, but because they’re human, because anything a man can do, a Woman can do better. Feminism is a branch of humanism that focuses on breaking the barriers that we, as a society (in the US, at least, I can’t speak for other nations) have formed.

Actually, humanism and feminism were the same thing. If you read MC’s original post, you’ll see that Humanism refers to late 19th century Feminism. Feminism IS about respecting women because they are women. The male experience is different from the female experience. Men are biologically different from women. Women can bear children. They have different external organs than men. They have different internal organs as well. They go through a menstrual cycle each month which prepares their bodies to have children, and in the process, causes bloating, water retention, cramps, mood swings, etc. Not all of these things happen to each woman, but you catch my drift.
Men don’t go through these things. Does this make men better? No. Does it make men and women different? Yes. The female experience is biologically different from the male experience, and no man is ever going to experience what it’s like to be female. The big problem with humanism (and why it isn’t used by “true” feminists today) is that it says that we should stop treating women like inferior animals and start treating them as human. It sounds good initially. The problem is that the default human they talk about is male. Men and women are different, and should allowed to be different. Neither experience is inferior to the other, but each is different. Criticize me if you will, but this is the academic definition of humanism and feminism.

Strength is beauty. Confidence is beauty. Trust is the most beautiful thing out there, because Love is based on Trust. If a Woman (cartoon, real, or otherwise) has Physical beauty AND Mental beauty, more power to her. We can’t judge the woman on the T-shirt (Betty, I think her name is) on Mental beauty because she is a two-dimensional rendering of the Idea of woman based on the artist’s experience with actual Women.

So all we can do is say yes, Betty has these characteristics, because the Idea of Woman held by the artist was undoubtedly formed by some of the influential Women in his life…perhaps a sister or sisters, maybe a mother or at some point a mother figure, a female teacher, a friend who cared, a girlfriend or girlfriends.

If the artist’s homage to women in his life boil down to this one image, I feel sorry for him. I think his idea was, “Let’s draw a hot girl on a unicycle.” I don’t think he cared about inner beauty.

[paco]

Originally posted by Darren
I would be proud to have a mother… that looked like that !
[snip]
Betty Bedford… ya baby !

Was it just me, or did that come across as being very Oedipal? Freud would have a field day with that one…
(No offense, Darren. I was being “whimsically tongue-in-cheek”.)

[paco]

Originally posted by Sofa
[B]Hootie McBoob?

Busty St. Claire?

Chesty Larue?

(no points to the guesser of these origins) [/B]

I caught the reference Sofa. Or should I say MAX POWER?

(If this isn’t the reference I’m thinking of, I’m going to feel stupid)

[system]

Paco

I believe men and women are equal. Nither is better than the other.

I stand up for things I believe in as well…

Not selling giraffe unicycles without welding the sprockets… Not selling unicycles with lollypop bearing holders… Not selling United/Norco style unicycle seats… Etc…

I think I am the only unicycle shop doing so.
Thousands of them get sold… just check out e-bay.

I can’t stop the factories from making them…
or stop the shops from selling them…
I just do my part by not offering them.

Brian

Were you still been on the Hook-up’s site when you picked those names… ?!

At this time, I would say that girls name will be
Betty.

Not because I really like that name or because I think she looks like a Betty.
I picked it because of John Childs post with these two comments: any female rider and an attractive female. She’s both !

I will be sending a shirt to chirokid and John Childs for helping pick the name.
Please send me your address’s and shirt size so I can send them out on Monday. Thanks to all for the posts.

As a additional offer to anyone who has posted to this thread so far… I will pay the shipping if you order a shirt. Either Betty or Jack !

darren at bedfordunicycles . ca

Darren

[hell-on-wheel]

Originally posted by hell-on-wheel
Touché!

Woo Hoo!

[Sofa]

Originally posted by paco
[B]
Or should I say MAX POWER?

[/B]

Indeed you should