Repeated Threads

Ok… So a lot of the time when a new thread is posted the 2nd or 3rd reply will be something like “why didn’t you just use the search button where this question has been asked before?” or something along those lines but I always think it appears to be quite rude.

What is the problem with asking a question that has been asked before? You can get new opinions on it from different people using the threads compared to before as well as technology on unicycles changing etc.

I really think that if someone doesn’t want to read a thread they’ve read before then just don’t read it! There really isn’t that much to talk about if everything can only be mentioned once :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh… and I searched for this topic before posting and couldn’t find anything :wink:

Don’t blame us for your inability to search the Internet.

Blame the users who start 1,001 threads on identical topics. They’re only making it harder for future users to search for information. Wading through a dozen threads is much easer than finding the needle in a haystack of 1,001 threads.

Your local public library should have free classes on how to use the Internet. In particular, pay attention during the section on http://www.internettutorials.net/boolean.asp.

Lots of reasons. I’ll list some below, but don’t take offense. This is your forum as much as mine… (as in it’s not either of ours) neither of us make or enforce any rules.

If everyone asked their question without searching I think we’d be bombarded with so many new threads each day it would become dysfunctional. In the past week, I’ve searched and found existing answers to dozens of questions I’ve had. The fact that we’re not being completely bombarded by new threads means that most people are in fact searching for answers, or at least recognizing that their question is not worthy of starting a new thread.

Is unicycling technology really changing so fast that searching isn’t useful? Someone posted last week about plastic vs metal pedals. Has that really changed in the past 5 years, year, month? What’s the lastest? Disc brakes? I’m not really sure… lol, my instinct is to do a search and find out! :stuck_out_tongue:

Searching gives you instant results. You don’t have to wait for someone to respond. Would you use google if you had to post your search and wait for someone to answer it?

If others are like me, not all answers are easily recalled. But I do recall seeing the answer in another thread. So to answer the new thread, I find myself searching. Ugh. Why am I searching when the OP could have?

Seeing someone’s current answer in the same thread as an outdated answer from 5 years ago can be very interesting, if not useful.

Not searching and then repeating topics and answers feeds itself. Searching becomes less efficient and less useful with repeated information. Imagine if over 5 years everyone who was interested in learning about the pros and cons of titanium frames posted a new thread and didn’t search, resulting in 100 threads on the topic. Each thread has varied responses. Then when someone does search for that topic they find 100 threads. Thread 1 is good and they learn a lot. Thread 2 is 90% repeated information, but a few new pros/cons are gleaned. Thread 3 is 99% repeated info, and seems like a waste of time to read. Threads 4-41 and 43-100 have no new info. But of course the searcher gave up looking for new info at thread 5 for lack of any new info. They missed the most fascinating pro/con that was buried in thread 42. Had all this info been in one thread, and not repeated, the searcher would get more info faster, and wouldn’t miss any.

I just spent a good chunk of my lunch break writing this. If I thought it was going to be read once and discarded, I wouldn’t have. Hopefully someone a week/month/year/decade from now will search and learn something… if not fact, at least my point of view.

I would attribute it to the google/facebook divide. Hopefully a happy medium between the two can be achieved. I think it’s always good to do a search to get historical context for questions you may have and then pose your question aware of that context, but the fact that a lot of these “answered questions” often get lots of responses show the value of asking them. It’s just as easy to ignore a “why didn’t you use search” comment as it is to ignore a new post on a topic that you think is closed.

Really?

It’s a shame it will be buried by people making new threads asking why they should use the search :angry:

I can see both points here. It’s certainly not ideal for every inquiry to be a new thread
Makes finding anything impossible. There’s loads of ecelent information on this forum.
But would also agree that some suggestions to use the search are unnecessarily rude.
I’ve also seen some replies along the line of ‘why did you resurect this ancient thread?’
Well you can’t have it both ways.

I really like this forum. I lurk much more than I post. I don’t think duplicate threads on the conversation section are it’s biggest problem

I think a good portion of the ‘why did you resurect this ancient thread?’ are from those who just don’t get it, and think they’re pointing out a mistake by the resurrector, as if the ressurector didn’t notice the old date. Sometimes that is in fact the case… but even then, the response could still be useful to a future user searching for an answer.

Searchnazis are people too.

If people just want to find the answer to things then there’s the unicyclopedia (which I use!): http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Unicyclopedia

I thought the whole point of a forum was to converse? Discuss? God forbid… talk??

In real life people have the same discussions with the same/different people all the time. You build on what you already know/talk about and if you didn’t you’d have nothing to say all the time. One English example would be the weather lol :stuck_out_tongue:

That’s a cool site, but it has a tiny amount of information compared to what you’ll find by searching these forums.

It not the whole point, but of course it is a point. If you want to make a CrazyJazy Let’s Converse, you can, preferably in Just Conversation.
You started this thread asking why some people encourage you to search and reuse existing threads. Do you now understand why? I get the feeling you’re not content with the reasoning.

I think this is true… people do this… as in some people. Others don’t: the quiet people at a social, the people who didn’t go to the social, the lurkers on facebook, the people who aren’t on facebook. Talking about the same things over and over doesn’t excite these people or give them energy, it sucks it out of them. For millions of others, perhaps like you, it has the opposite effect.
Like I said, the forums are yours as much as they are mine… so post as you please. If we want to keep reading the forums, you’ll have to tolerate the “why didn’t you search comments” and I’ll have to tolerate the repeated threads.

Well in that case it might be good if some of the more patient searchers put the info into it? I quite enjoy reading it myself I find it quite helpful.

This seems a good compromise.

Look at it from the point of view of the people who do a lot of answering. We already answered the question. We may have spent a lot of time on it, being thorough, looking up links, etc. Then somebody new comes along and doesn’t understand why we shouldn’t do that same work again. That’s why.

But those same things can happen in a thread that started in 2002. Just ignore the older stuff. Someone may refer back to an old post, but {{IF THEY WOULD USE THE POST NUMBER}} those are easy to find also. :slight_smile:

Then all the information on that subject can be found under one virtual roof. And if side topics form, they can split off into their own threads (which may also be existing ones as well).

This is less about people reading it and more about people writing the same information for the umteenth time.

Just wanted you to know I saw the smiley and am not taking you literally. :sunglasses:

Some. And sometimes they are appropriately rude.

Sometimes people resurrect an old thread by accident. They forget to look at the date and don’t realize it’s from 1999 and the OP has actually died since then.

It depends on the thread topic. Also on which forum it’s in, such as JC vs. the ones with specific themes.

So when some of us forum users get together, we’re able to start the conversation based on existing threads. We don’t have to rehash a bunch of stuff that’s already been covered. Over and over and over. :slight_smile:

Welcome to the forums!

These are all great arguments
Totally understood and I appreciate the time taken to write them.

I do tend to search when really looking for information
Before I start any new thread

However in the just conversation forum. I see little harm in the creation of a ’ hi how are you, where are you from etc’ thread

There are these threads already

There will be more in the future

And they’re never likely to be searched by anyone - other than some creepy unicycle stalker

So just conversation is just that. Conversations they may be banal, repetitive, but they are a way to break the ice to get to know the unicyclists around the world. And as new populations of forum users come along they will be rePeated.
I don’t see this as a problem
Infact I think it should be welcomed.

So yes search for factual information opinions on equipment etc
But just conversation???
Let’s leave it as that. Just conversations

This is my 200th post and I’ve never started a new thread. I’ve found every question I might have had has already been answered. I spend the majority of my time in RSU inquiring about my next purchase but I do poke my nose in JC every now and then.

Oh, good lord. I can’t decide if Harper hasn’t seen this thread, or if he has seen it and realized that by the time his rant was ended we would be living in a post apocalyptic world triggered by Harper-related rants.

I understand that it feels more assuring and entertaining to have long, carried out conversations with random people over the internet about unicycling, but it mucks up the forum.
I’ll let you in on another little secret: For most of the repeated threads, the answers DO NOT CHANGE. The formula for finding a beginner unicycle will NEVER change, training for an event will ALWAYS be the same, and there will ALWAYS be a person a few posts into your “newer, up-to-date thread” that will go red in the face and suffer a brain aneurysm.

Have a nice day.

You always did have trouble making decisions.

…as evidenced here.

So what do you do if you want a different answer?

Reply to the existing thread and say:
“I have the same question but I’m not content with the answers here. Isn’t there some other… <insert your question/concern/reasoning>”

Ask a different question and start a new thread?

Kudos! There are plenty to choose from already. I have a lotta-lotta posts, and I think I’ve actually started about 30. Half of those were to promote MUni Weekend events. You really don’t need to create new threads much.

You can ask new questions. But if it’s on topic, put it in the existing thread so the info will stay together. The suggestion above was that the “correct” answers don’t change much. But they can.