My new frame: Titanium by Flansberrium

Last week @jaco_flans brought me my new Flansberrium Titanium frame (and an aluminium one) and luckely we were able to ride together yesterday. I borrowed him the new titanium frame :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

First I tested it myself at thursday (the two pictures after the frame)

Pictures of the frame by @jaco_flans

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Damn, that frame does look gorgeous ! @jaco_flans sure knows how to turn metal tubing into magic.

How does it ride ? (especially rigidity wise). I have heard that titanium can be quite flexible and feel like riding on a spaghetti. I know he has worked on it, but I am really curious to what extent he has solved this problem.

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He uses a thicker tube than on his prototype one and now it is very rigid, that’s why I let him ride it, so he could compare it and he said it is a huge difference. But maybe he will write himself :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

I love it, it rides very well, no flex.

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Nice! What about the weight? :eyes:
I’d also like to see a titanium V-frame, with the front part being made of carbon so that it’s light and stiff :smirking_face:

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It’s not much lighter than an aluminium, but I would say it is more rigid (Jakob knows the weight difference)

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Seeing the shape of this frame, and thinking of the old Triton frames (not the 3d printed Tritao one) I wonder if titanium is virtually impossible to bend. Maybe itā€˜s just a coincidence that they both feature the same crown style. Maybe thereā€˜s a reason linked to the material used. @jaco_flans, can you shed some light upon this?

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Why is there a weld in the tube where the seatpost goes in?

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Nice, but why a quick release clamp collar for wheel bearing mount? Travel portability?
A typical split collar with bearing groove and two bolts is rock solid.

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there are some reasons: easy and fast and no loose parts when I have to change the inner tube because of a flat ( I have that a couple times a year) and also for changing wheelsets ( I have three of them: flikflok, schlumpf, fixed) and they look very nice

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I’m happy Markus let me ride it this weekend. Since the day I made my first Titanium frame I didn’t like it, it was like a riding a spaghetti. This one uses thicker tubing and is much more rigid and feels very good. I would ride it haha.

My first frame was about 450g, but also way too flexible. This one is 687g, including bearing caps and bolts, 210mm neck and for 29ā€ wheel. The same sized frame in aluminium is 705g. The difference is minimal, but Titanium has more sexiness points.

You can bend Titanium, not with the tools I currently have :sweat_smile: One hard thing with uni frames is that we want as narrow as possible at the top so we dont hit our legs when riding, bending oval tubing is even harder than round tubing. This shape makes it easier to reduce the width, and I also think it looks a lot cooler than a round crown. I do have a Triton Sponge at home, and to me, it’s one of the most beautiful frames out there.

Thinner tube at the bottom, thick at the top so it fits a 27.2 seatpost without a shim :slight_smile:

Dont worry, those are also Rock Solid :smiling_face_with_sunglasses: As Markus said, no loose parts when you take your wheel out, threaded nuts are also replacable in case you’d strip one, it’s lighter, and it looks better (IMO).

Thanks Markus for sharing your new baby :grin:

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They do look rather nice (as I have probably said before :slight_smile: )…. is there potentially any issue with these specific ones with lots of dissimilar metals – the top looks like machined titanium, the bottom looks like aluminium, the threaded inserts are presumably steel, with stainless (guess) screws and whatever the bearing casing is made out of.

This is kind’of a guessing game on my side. I have done lots of reading, but I cannot find a true answer because it has too many factors to take in consideration. I try to base also on personnal experience, I have a couple unicycles here that have ridden in very rough conditions (Canadian winters with road salt for example!) and I use these to judge what I will choose. Anyone who is riding is harsh conditions should grease or lube any assembled part. Really everything should have a little grease :wink:

The top part is made out of whatever the frame material is (aluminium, 4130 Steel or Titanium (I even made some Stainless Steel ones for @Ken_Looi )). The barrel nuts are aluminium and are anodized. The lower part is aluminium, the screws are Stainless.

Is it risky? Maybe. Have I had any issue or heard of any issue? Not at the moment. Should we worry? Probably not that much.

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Could it be made out of titanium ? It would allow for some crazy electro anodizing frames with nice constancy in the patterns / colors…

I’m thinking sponge anodizing


Or more classic anodizing

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That’s fair enough. I just thought I’d ask if you knew of any issues – I was totally unaware that titanium could cold weld until I put a bottle cage on a titanium bike frame with titanium screws and read that that could be an issue, how real an issue I don’t know. I think I had seen it could be an issue with aluminium too, but it probably a fairly exotic process. As you say, a bit of grease probably keeps problems at bay though.

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Cold welding, also called galling, can definitely happen in any pairing of titanium, aluminum and stainless steel. All of them form their own oxide layers, but if you’ve got threads or spots with a lot of pressure and friction, that layer can get scraped off. When the raw metal underneath touches, it can basically stick or fuse together. Anti seizing paste or other lubrication can help to avoid this.

I am definitely in team grease:

Just make sure to clean threads and remove the old grease before adding more. Dust and sand in the threads can make galling way more likely.

Clean, Grease, Ride, Repeat :nerd_face:

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Are those door handles? I wanted to ask to get a pair of such fancy cranks…

I’m pretty sure they are bike cranks (but I just searched on the internet for ā€œtitanium electro anodizationā€.

BTW, I just remembered that @jaco_flans as recently announced some cranks (machined out of aluminium), and can apparently machine titanium…

Does it mean he could (at least in theory) make titanium cranks ? That could make a crazy looking unicycle…

here are similar bike cranks

but the pipe in the middle is just to keep both cranks together for the sale or what? It is not a hub. I mean how do you otherwise connect it to the bike.

And something else, since titanium is already very strong and doesn’t rust, what is the point of anodizing other than because it looks cool?

Oh and last question, what would the price be of titanium ISIS cranks?