Magura vs. the evolution of disc brakes

i was thinking the other day about how cheap disc brakes are getting and how this might effect the future of Magura’s place in the cycle market.

most of the MTB.bikes these days are coming with mounts ready to accept disc brakes and this is trickling down to the cheaper models aswell.

in the future,how many people will choose Magura over disc’s? Magura is the only brake that will work good for muni with a 3.0 tyre and what happens if the bike industrie continues with the disc brake trend?

i think it looks grim for Magura in the cycle market.does anyone know if there is a benifit Magura has over disc’s beside better modulation?a reason that they wont be pushed out of the market by the disc trend?

the only advantage left is the set-up-and-forget-it that discs don’t have.

Weight really isn’t an issue anymore, they have XTR discs that are only 110 grams heavier than XTR V-brakes! And that’s roughly what the Maggie’s are

I want MUni’s to start being made with disc tabs. Let me tell ya…if I was gonna get a custom MUni done up, it certainly would have a disc brake!

I wouldn’t care about it ruining on pedal grabs and such…I would just do them with the other side.

I do see Maggie’s fading out, though

Re: Magura vs. the evolution of disc brakes

Magura’s are still widely used in the trials world, on the rear wheel at least.

Dylan

Magura makes disk brakes too. If you’re concerned that Magura might go out of business I think they’re doing OK. I don’t see why they would stop making the rim brakes. The bike trials people still like the rim brakes even though some of them are running disks now.

I just picked up some Magura hs-33 on ebay for $36 (US). They work great. I think you will see more on ebay as people start switching to disc.

Magura has been making motorcycle brakes forever and also makes disc brakes for bicycles. Their future is not in jeopardy

i wasnt so worried about Magura’s future as a business,i am speaking as to the future of their hydraulic brakes being fazed out of the bicycle market because of discs.

if eveyone in the bike industrie goes for discs,it wont be profitable to offer Hydro’s anymore.

Discs are hydro (unless you have crappy cable actuated discs)

I’m sure you meant hydro rim brakes…I’m just clearing that up for others

What is modulation?

Thanks,
Andrew

It’s how well you can feather the brakes and how well you can control how much drag or braking power there is.

V-brakes have a tendency to grab very quickly which makes them hard to feather and accurately control the braking power. V-brakes tend to be either on or off. That is poor modulation.

Hydraulic brakes can be feathered and it is easy to control how much braking power there is. They don’t suddenly go from loose braking power to full on braking power. There is a controlled and and consistent application of braking power as you squeeze the lever. Hydraulics have good modulation.

I love my Maggies. I don’t think Magura has a problem. Downhill bikes are pretty much the only bikes that need disc brakes. Maybe some cross country bikes in a wet environment but you can use Maguras with the red or green pads and they’ll work great.

Let me guess, you’re from the US aren’t you? Or somewhere else that’s a lot drier than the UK?

Joe

My understanding is that disc brakes also require a specialized hub to attach the disc to. I’m sure this further complicates matters, does it not?

I know Scott Bridgeman partially designed the Wilder frame with discs in mind, but mine came without the mounts. Or a Profile hub that can take a disc…

sure does,on a unicycle you have make room for all that stuff inbetween the fork blades.the only way ive seen it done is to move one hub flange in twords the middle of the hub like they do on rear wheels of bikes to make room for the gear cluster.

the problem then is you have to dish the wheel over and thats not an option for me.i think it would taco easy on side hops.

Re: Re: Magura vs. the evolution of disc brakes

You have no clue how much i hate my maguras

many a people don’t use disks in trials due to the fact the tabs have a bad habit of ripping the tabs off :frowning:

Oh yeah i just thought of something!!! The reason the tabs on a trials bike usually rip off is because trials usually exerts lots of back wards force, this will be the same for unicycles :frowning: any ideas to keep the tab on?

oh yeah maybe this idea would be good so the rotor doesn’t get in the way http://www.bikeguernsey.net/~trialsforum/files/ruth-complete.jpg

unispin

that is a great idea in that photo link.ive never seen anything like that.

could you tell us why you hate Magura’s?

Yeah its the new ruthless switchblade it’s frame is all totally CNCed

I HATE MAGURAS because theyre impossible to bleed (i’ve bled my brakes over 45 times!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: ), the cables rip incredably easy (i;ve ripped almost 6 clines now!)and they only really work with tar or a grind! (only trials riders will know what i mean)

I’d trade my maguras in for a nice set of avids anyday! if only my bike didn’t have dedicated mounts :frowning:

That’s untrue. All bikes will benefit from disks. You certainly don’t ‘need’ them (on that note, you don’t ‘need’ that 3" tire on a unicycle)

Especially now that discs are so light and cost effective, barring trials there is no reason not to have them

The aren’t affected by warped wheels (although, too warped and you shouldn’t be riding them)

They brake better in all conditions, not just wet.

The modulation is better than HS-33’s with alot less lever pull

The two finger lever action (same as HS-33’s, but not typical V-brakes) leaves you not feeling hand/finger cramped after a long ride

Once set up, they stay pretty much maintenance free for a long time

You can remove your wheels super fast without having to unlatch your V-brakes

you don’t have to worry about realigning them after you put the wheel back on

the pads last alot longer

the hoses are alot more durable than HS-33 hoses

They look cool

they don’t get clogged up with mud

you will never hear that leaf stuck between your brakes and your tire, driving you so insanely crazy that you risk cutting your finger off while trying to dislodge that leaf while still going too fast

You can do stoppies alot easier (see pic of stoppie)