Crank length and gear ratio on giraffes

We have a bunch of Pichler 6-footers with the typical problem with uneven sprocket wear as both have 25 teeth. One sprocket is welded to the hub, one to the crank. I’m still searching on how to repair / upgrade them. They all have 170 mm cranks which is awkwardly long, given that we all ride our freestyle unis with 75 mm cranks. So changing from giraffe to uni in the middle of a performance always feels very weird. And pedaling on the giraffe is always kind of uneven.

I can’t find a good replacement. I was originally aiming for 125mm cranks, and 24+25 tooth sprockets. But I can’t find parts to realize this solution.

What I can find are 6-bolt (brake rotor interface) sprockets up to 22 teeth, and the following cranksets:

  • 130 mm, 30T
  • 115 mm, 30T
  • 105 mm, 25T

The first two will have too much of gearing when combined with the 22T on the wheel. The third one may be OK, gearing-wise, with 25-22, but I have the feeling, that 105mm may be a little short for a heavy giraffe despite we’re used to 75s on the uni.

Has anyone experience with this kind of gearing on giraffes and also with short cranks?

The giraffes are solely used for stage performances.

You can get 6 bolt track cogs much larger than 22t. UDC sells 28t and you can find larger on amazon, ebay, etc. UDC’s 127mm 32T giraffe crank set is an option as well. My 6 footer Bill Mathew’s Co has one of those crank sets and a 22t cog. Probably not so nice for performing but it cruises nicely.

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We have the same problem with the crank length of our giraffes, although these usually have only a single chain. After searching for a while, I stumbled upon this replacement part for a children’s bicycle, which had the same number of teeth on the chainring:

https://www.decathlon.de/p/einfach-kurbelsatz-28-zahne-90-mm/197596/c1m8523950

The ride feels much smoother with shorter cranks and they allow for more interesting tricks since the giraffe feels more like a freestyle unicycle. Unfortunately, these cranks were not built to the same strength standards as regular unicycle cranks, so one of them bent after a heavy person did some jumping on the giraffe.

Furthermore, I found short cranks on some old minibikes that I bought on the used market. The ones I found are approximately 90 mm long and were a perfect fit. Unfortunately, I do not know whether they are still being produced, as the minibikes I have were manufactured more than 30 years ago in the GDR. Maybe this one could also be a good alternative, but there is no crank length specified on the webside:

https://qu-ax.de/catalog/QU-AX-Kurbel-fuer-Minibike

I also tried installing a larger chainring to gear the giraffe up. My experimental 46T/28T combination with a special 152mm bicycle crank (Amazon.de) makes the 20-inch wheel feel more like a 32-inch wheel. It took me some time to realize that you have to ride it fast because otherwise, it feels very unusual and heavy.

I also considered replacing the hub of the 20-inch wheel with a Sturmey Archer S3X three-speed hub, but I never managed to get my hands on one. Maybe one day I will have the opportunity to build such a setup.

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Thank you so much for this reply! How did you feel about the 90mm crank length? Did the feeling to ride it compare to 90mm on a freestyle uni or did it feel harder to ride? I could imagine, that it may make sense, to have the cranks of the giraffe a little bit longer than on the uni.

The Qu-Ax minibike cranks look like an interesting option since they seem to be made of steel which I’d prefer for sturdiness. But having 28 teeth would bring the gear ratio to 1:1 with the cog I found and that’s a thing I’d avoid at all cost. I’ll ask David at Qu-Ax about the crank length.

How is your feeling about the gear ratio. What would you consider a good ratio? I wanted to go slightly over 1:1.

I still have to make all measurements to confirm everything, but the state of my research is the following setup that hopefully would work on our Pichler giraffes:

I hope, the hub fits our frames (width and axle diameter) and that the chain line will be roughly straight. It would give me a gear ratio of 30:28 (~1.07) with 115mm cranks.

What do you think of this combination?

The only thing that worries me is the cranks being children’s bike cranks, made of aluminium, so maybe they aren’t that strong.

It’s 89 mm 28T

Thanks a lot for figuring that out, this helps me a lot! The minibike cranks might be much stronger than the children’s bicycle replacement part I found. I might use them on my 3m Pichler giraffe, where the crank needs replacing atm (Fun fact: I got it about half a year ago from somebody who works now in the old Pichler factory building in Karlsruhe. :smiley: )

The 90mm children’s bike cranks (Picture Below) were surprisingly durable for my purposes and are also made of steel, but that should not be considered a good reference because I am a very lightweight person. Their bigger problem is the poor manufacturing quality: I immediately returned one of them after purchasing because either the pedal threads had been drilled at a slight angle, or it was bend on arrival, which made riding feel a bit off.

I remember that my first ride on the giraffe with 90mm cranks felt scary because I expected it to be much harder to ride. However, after less than a minute, it turned out to be far more stable than a regular giraffe! I was even able to idle, hop, and ride backwards on it on my very first attempt. At the moment, I have replaced all the giraffe cranks used in the university sports course that I teach, and everybody learns to ride the giraffe directly with 90mm cranks. They genuinely seem to feel better.

As for the gear ratio, I think it should still stay within the effective wheel-size range that matches the short crank length. The largest wheel I would personally ride with 90mm cranks is a 24-inch wheel. Therefore, I would consider a 34T chainring to be my personal upper limit, because (34 / 28) × 20 inches ≈ 24 inches. I think, the 30:28 option you chose should be fine. (I never tried anything larger with 90mm cranks because even the 24-inch equivalent was already difficult for me to stop on, but as I said: I am a lightweight person, whereas a heavier person might have some advantages here).

One comment on the wheel you chose: to me it looks sturdy enough to withstand the forces from hopping on a giraffe, but I would recommend checking that it can be mounted the same way as the original wheel. All of my giraffes have a solid axle with axle nuts that are used to set the chain tension, as you can see in the picture below. The wheel you chose has a quick-release skewer, which should definitely be strong enough to support the load (I am always surprised that a quick-release skewer can be stronger than the hub axle itself. It has already saved me when the rear axle on my tandem bicycle broke! These things are incredibly strong). However, I would recommend checking whether the axle diameter is compatible with the existing axle nuts, in case your giraffe also uses them and you are switching from a solid axle. Quick-release hubs typically have a 10 mm axle diameter (although some special wheels use a 9.5 mm axle), whereas solid axles are usually 9 mm in diameter.

Regarding my other geared “speed giraffe” (Picture below), I can tell you that the 46:28 ratio is rideable once you have enough space and the courage to ride it at around 15 km/h. However, that machine is really just a gimmick and was never built for actual performance use. There is no possibility to idle, stop and ride backwards, and at that gear ratio hopping feels extraordinarily scary.

In case you are attending the RTB, I can bring the different modified giraffes so that you can give them a try. However, since Heidelberg and Chemnitz are quite far apart, I would be surprised to see you there.

Thanks for all the information, especially on the axles. I’ll have a deeper look into it.

And yes, I’ll be in Heidelberg too. I attend every RTB that I’m able to.

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Sounds great! Maybe I will bring the speed giraffe to the RTB on one day. Let’s see what the other people from the Karlsruhe Group think about this :grin: