Car accident analysis -- tell your accident stories

Fog is a tough one, and very dangerous even if you do everything right. We have big problems with winter fog in California’s Central Valley. Huge numbers of people have long commutes, and fog forms overnight in low-lying areas. You can be driving along in clear air or a light fog, and suddenly you can barely see the lines on the road immediately in front of you. Stop too fast and you get rear-ended. Keep going and your rear-end somebody else. And no matter what you do, there are always a few idiots who don’t seem to notice it’s foggy, and keep driving the same way even though they can’t see (same thing happens in rain and snow, but a lower percentage of drivers). Best solution is to pull as far off the side of the road as possible. Stay on the road and you risk a high-speed rear-ender.

But what if there’s no “side” to the road?

I don’t know what to do in that particular situation, other than not be driving, as he mentioned. There are times when conditions simply do not allow for safe driving. Like ice storms. But what if you’re already out there and you drive into the fog? Try to avoid being rear-ended.

And you proceeded with advice for the other guy. Good advice, but it doesn’t help you. Is there anything you can do? The fact is, it’s kind of a fine balance we have when cycling with traffic. We want to ride rather than drive, for all the good reasons for doing so. But people in cars can squash us at a whim, just by having a momentary lapse of attention. Which is easy to do if you have the radio on, are talking on the phone, drinking coffee, having a conversation, etc.

Should you be paranoid about every car you pass, or is that going too far? I think not. Usually the cars are passing you. Those are less of a threat because they are more likely to see you. On those rare occasions when you pass a moving car it’s best to assume you are invisible to them (good general mindset for cycling in traffic; assume you’re invisible until you know they see you). In this case being ready to react if the car tries to turn or pull over without noticing you. Sure it’s all the other guy’s fault, but you’re still the one who bleeds as a result…

Excellent advice. I try to take it one step further. Always assume there is a cyclist or something there until you’ve looked. With lane changes and similar, that means turning your head. If you don’t have blind spot (convex) mirrors on the sides of your car, you can’t see what’s back there without turning your head. As a cyclist, assume drivers are not doing this, because most don’t. As Jimmy said, this sort of thing happens to him a lot.

I drew a picture. 3 of the roads were normal, but one was 3 lanes with a suicide lane in the middle. So if you wanted to go straight through the intersection, you had to get into the middle lane about a hundred or so feet before the intersection. The other person signaled to change into that lane, and since I forgot that it was a freaky intersection I turned. It was only a 35 mph zone, though, and we both braked.

I also forgot to mention that this intersection was on a military base. Yay for MPs.

Dude, me too!! Except, my sisters friend…and, her friend’s dad was driving to Spokane from here, they hit black ice and the car flipped like six times I think, so her legs went out the window or something and both of 'em broke real bad. So, since it was from black ice it was really no one’s fault, just misfortune.

That’s all well and good, but, a few things:

-Traffic isn’t light at 6:00 AM…work and school traffic galore.
-I had kept a decent stopping distance, and after the wreck I began keeping an even larger one.
-I do drive defensively, trust me…I never go more than 5 miles above the limit, I never ever honk, I pretty much always let people in ahead of me, and I annoy other drivers all the time cause I always wait for a really big gap in traffic for left turns.
-The place we were at wouldn’t have a kid there, it was on a bridge on a major road where pedestrians aren’t allowed to be (and before you say they might be there anyway…trust me, the place I’m talking about, they never are).

So I appreciate your trying to lecture me, but trust me, it won’t change anything. I punished myself enough after the wreck, just ask Alex.

Nao, in his defense, he’s right…there might have been an animal, but there wasn’t really a reason to stop where his wreck was.

In college I had a hot little 1974 V6 Capri, with headers, it was a fun car to drive.

I got out of class and was heading home with my girl friend. Along the way there was some traffic back-up deal, cars were moving along at 20 mph on a rural 2 lane back road where I could usually go 50 or more.

So I get into the left lane and just start passing the cars backed-up in the right lane. Almost made it. There’s one car left to pass, a big Chevy Caprice. Just as I get up to this huge vehicle, it turns left to crossing in front of me.

Instead of slowing. I down shifted and floored it, drove on, just further left off the road, driving in the grassy area to pass in front of the big Caprice, who was entering their driveway.

I almost made it, but the Caprice hit rear quarter panel on the passenger side, just behind the rear wheel.

I still had it floored, at least the impact put me back on a heading towards the road pavement. Getting back on the road, I over-steer very badly, but manage to stay on the road, fishtailing 3 or 4 times. My hands were spinning the steering wheel one way then the other as fast as I could.

Got the car straight, but my adrenaline was high, still kept it floored and left the scene. After about a block, realized that I could not leave the scene of an accident, spun the car around and drove back to face the crime.

The witnesses in the other cars shouted at me, but I was lucky that they were more interested in getting home than stopping. The tail light was crushed in my car. The Caprice tank wasn’t even scratched. I remember there were flakes of brown paint from my car sprinkled all over the hood of the Caprice.

The elderly lady driving the Caprice offered to pay for the damages. I knew it was all my fault, I was just glad no one was hurt.

That day changed how I drive, for the better. I was very lucky, we all could have been badly hurt for my stupid driving.

Lessons learned:
I was driving like a reckless idiot.
My girlfriend could have been killed.
The other nice lady could have been killed.
I had been very lucky to keep any control of the car through it all.

Cars really suck, they don’t handle well in fast maneuvers. In situations such as accidents or near misses, cars handle like they are made of jello at best. Don’t count on turning, stopping, or traction.

Be careful driving, there may be a jerk headed for ya.

Heres mine:
I was uning on the pavment with this guy in a car stairing at me :roll_eyes:
There then came a side road on my right and the guy stops to let me cross it.
(the good part:p )- He stopped so suddenly that a car behind skided onto sombodys front lawn!
Both drivers shout abuse at me and the drive off :roll_eyes:

I would say yes, and here’s my justification: I drove in Germany with a Canadian license at the age of 17. Their minimum licensing age is 18. Of course I didn’t get pulled over so I can’t say that conclusively, but none of the Germans I was with really though anything of it.

I’m pretty sure that all that’s required to drive is a valid license, age is not a factor. All age determines is when you can get a valid license yourself, no matter what country you’re in.

I see young college drivers like that quite often. I was once one of them, and fortunately I never got into any kind of tangle like that. What changed my driving was basically just the fact that I grew up. I was fortunate, it very easily could have been a similar situation that smartened me up, and you really never know when somebody might get killed, which would really put a damper on it.

When I was 18, I rolled my first car, a 1980 Honda Accord. First off, if you are ever in a rollover, I would highly recommend you do it in an old Accord, it rolls just like a ball. It was still perfectly driveable at the end, minus the windshield.

There’s a history beforehand that I think probably contributed to the whole thing.

We had a really nasty bug go through camp, similar to, if not the flu. It hit most people in the middle of the night; they suddenly woke up and had to puke. It lasted 24 hours or even a little less, and that was it, but it rendered you absolutely useless and helpless for the day. Even walking was too sickening a task to perform. It was very contagious, so a majority of people got it. I got it on the very last night of the planting season. I woke up at around 2-3AM, and had a good puke outside the front of my tent, and didn’t sleep a wink for the rest of the night.

That day I struggled to plant one box of trees (I can usually plant between 10 and 12 boxes per day). At the end of the day, since it was the end of the season, we had to take down camp. I was in no shape to do that, so I got permission from my supervisor to drive into town (about a 1/2 hour drive). Most of that drive was on a heavily used oil road.

For those that don’t know what an oil road is, in northern Alberta (and anywhere else there is extensive drilling), the oil companies build private roads everywhere, the majority of them gravel. Our planting company gets permission to use them. Oil companies don’t maintain their roads too well, but on a road that heavily used, they grade it twice a week, which still isn’t quite enough. This road had large potholes all over it from the heavy trucks that are back and forth on it all day. What grading does in this case is it fills the potholes with soft dirt and gravel, essentially making them invisible.

On this particular afternoon, they had just finished grading the road, and I had to drive almost 20 km on this road. The speed limit was 80 km/h (50mph), and I was driving about 75 km/h, so I was under the speed limit. I hit a large, invisible pothole, and the combination of the hole and the soft dirt in it caused my car to be put into a slight slide. After fishtailing down the road 2 or 3 times, I ended up sliding sideways into the opposite ditch, and right at the end of it all, just as I though it was basically over, my car did a slow 3/4 roll ending up on the passenger side. Nobody hurt, and once the tow truck put the car back on its wheels, it was still perfectly drivable (minus the one flat tire).

Ultimately what caused to roll was the bead breaking on the front tire and the rim digging into the dirt. I think the whole thing could have been avoided if I had done even just one of two things:

Drive slower. A 1980 Honda is not intended to be driven on gravel and doesn’t handle well at all on it. Even though I was driving slower than the speed limit, it was too fast for the car, and the condition of the road also called for slower speeds.

Don’t drive tired. I was exhausted from being sick and not sleeping a wink for most of the night. If I had been alert with good reactions, I’m convinced that I could have easily recovered from the initial slide. Unfortunately, being tired also tends to contribute to being impatient. Being tired should have been an indication to drive even slower, but no, I just wanted to get to town ASAP. Turns out if I had driven slower, I would have gotten into town much sooner.

Thanks for the diagram. Yes, an odd intersection, but those happen on public roads sometimes as well. Sounds like the mistake in this situation was seeing the turn signal and assuming the driver was going to turn where you thought they would. Same could happen (I think I mentioned this above) if the driver was heading for a driveway just beyond the intersection.

I made a similar mistake once. Driving a road that crosses a sunken freeway. There’s a service road on either side of the freeway. Normally you can’t turn left onto the far service road, you have to turn right on the first one, then cross the next bridge. But there was construction on the road beyond the freeway, and everything but local traffic was supposed to turn left. “Oh, that’s different, I get to turn left here.” I thought to myself as I started to turn. Then it suddenly dawned on me that the car coming toward me still had a green light, regardless of the rule-change.

It was too late to stop without a probable accident. I made a snap judgement, that I attribute in part to being a unicyclist who has to think and react fast. I floored the gas and made the turn really quick, avoiding a collision. Whew! Then I looked in my rear-view to see if the lady in the other car was okay. I saw her hood bounce up as she had braked hard to a full stop. Then I saw the cop car that had been right her. I immediately pulled over and waited for him to come and write me a ticket.

I explained my mistake to the officer, and happily paid the ticket for “left turn interfering with traffic.” A small price to pay for not crashing my parents’ car, damaging a stranger’s car, possibly injuring her and jacking up my parents’ and later my own insurance costs.

Ouch! Was she wearing a seat belt? Normally I’d say it’s impossible to get your feet out the window with a seat belt on, but in a multiple rollover nearly anything’s possible. Definitely a lesson there if she wasn’t.

If you hit nasty ice while going straight, there’s no reason for the car to do anything horrible unless you have to stop. Was it on a curve? Sucks when that happens.

For those not familiar with the term, “black ice” generally refers to an icy patch on an otherwise dry road, at night. You’re not expecting ice because the road is dry. If the ice shows up in front of a stop sign, for instance, major problems. You can’t drive around paranoid every time it’s below freezing out there, but it can help to be aware of the types of conditions where ice can form on an otherwise dry road.

I wasn’t trying to lecture you, but when I re-read my post it did rather seem that way. So apologies for that.

Ay 6 AM here the roads are quiet. What time does school start near you, if you have school traffic at 06:00?

The fact of the accident remains: either you were too close or you were not paying attention. You cannot with any logic say “I have never seen kids near there before, and therefore there will be none today…and therefore the guy in front will drive sensibly”. All you can say is that there will probably be no kids there. Or sheep, or cats, dogs, foxes, whatever. If something runs in front of your car unexpectedly, you may not have time to think: “Ah it’s only a fox, no need to brake.” Braking will be almost instinctive.
In the UK, there have been a lot of cases of people intentionally trying to get the car behind to “rear end” them. They fill the car with passengers (witnesses?), disconnect the brake lights and jam on the brakes so the following car hits them. Then they all claim for whiplash injuries. Another reason to drive with distance.

Not sounding the horn, letting people in: that would not be my description of driving defensively. More like driving non aggressively. Driving defensively involves anticipation of what might just happen, what the idiot in that other car, or that nutter on the pavement, might just do next, worst case scenario, against all the odds. And then add a bit on because if there is one thing an idiot is good at, it is being inventive. Defensive involves treating everyone else like a lunatic during a full moon, even the John Fosses, and then driving in such a way that when they do the unexpected, and some of them certainly will, you and your car will not be involved.
Few teenagers drive defensively, they simply do not have the experience to do so. Some older drivers also never learn to drive that way. Many teens drive aggressively, and some continue to do so as they age. And lastly, even the very best of drivers is capable of a misjudgement. Give him time and space to let him make his mistake harmlessly. In doing so you will also give yourself space, for when you make a similar mistake.

Nao

You’re right, defensive driving is something that has to be learned. Often it takes years of experience. I know a number of teens who are “non-aggressive” drivers, but by no means are they defensive. Often the horn is a tool that can (and should) be used defensively. There’s a reason why a horn is required by law, and it has nothing to do with being aggressive, though too many people use it that way.

For a young driver, there are too many things to anticipate, as well, proper reactions towards certain situations take time to develop as well. Some people can develop them within a couple years, but most of the time to develop things that quickly it takes a deliberate effort to practice and learn those reactions in a safe environment in preparation for the real deal. I know some people who are over 25 who cannot react properly to a slide. By that time you’ve been driving almost 10 years, you’d think you could react to a fairly common occurrence, either on gravel in the summer or snow in the winter. Their reaction is to hit their brakes, which makes the slide worse, which just causes them to push harder on the brakes. They don’t have that reaction that instinctively tells them in what conditions the brakes work and when they don’t.

That’s the reason for drivers ed courses, but they just give the information, they don’t spend enough time to actually develop the reactions in practice. The drivers ed course I took was the biggest waste of time of my life. I didn’t learn anything new, and the practical portion of it was just frustrating because I was learning skills I already had, and if I didn’t have a skill, there wasn’t enough time spent on it to learn anything. The only thing I got out of that course was cheaper insurance premiums. That part was worth it, I just wish I didn’t have to waste my time to get it.

I rolled my parent’s van last night.

I was driving home from a friend’s house, it had been raining earlier on, and the roads were still somewhat wet. I was going about 100 km/h and reached a curve in the road. I slowed down for it, but obviously not enough. As I was going around the curve the van started to slide around a bit and I completely lost control. I slid into a bunch of tall grass on the side of the road and started rolling. I probably rolled 30 - 50 feet judging by the flattened sections of grass. And I ended up back on the road facing the way that I was coming from. The van was on its side with the driver’s side against the ground. So I climbed out the passenger door and jumped to the ground.

To my surprise I was completely calm and uninjured. I had lost my phone in the accident and went back in to find it, but stuff was everywhere and I couldn’t find it. But after about 10 minutes a car drove by and stopped, and it happened to by my aunt who I hadn’t seen for several years.

The van wasn’t very damaged since I was rolling through long grass. The windsheild was slightly cracked and some of the doors don’t really close properly anymore. There were some dents and a few scratches, the mirrors were broken, but it wasn’t too bad.