Which Muni Frame to buy?

I’m looking to buy a Muni frame shortly.
These are the two I am considering:
I’ve been looking at this one for a few months
Hunter Frame With Brake Bosses
I like that it is 26" and has brake bosses.

But then, a few days ago this appeared
Kris Holm 24-inch Muni Frame
This one is 24", and has magura mounts.

The Hunter costs 385$U.S., while the “KH” costs 400$U.S. I have to decide which one to order. Problem is, they both look really nice. I would appreciate comments on which one to get. Keep in mind I am Canadian. I also already have a United Monty trials uni, so I probably wouldn’t do much trials on it. I want this for the Mountain, and perhaps short rides around town.
So:
Q1: Will the difference in wheel size make much difference?
Q2: Can I get either in Canada without having to order from the States?

What is recommended? I know both are likely hardcore bad-boys.

Thanks in advance,

> The Hunter costs 385$U.S., while the “KH” costs 400$U.S. I have to
> decide which one to order. Problem is, they both look really nice. I
> would appreciate comments on which one to get. Keep in mind I am
> Canadian. I also already have a United Monty trials uni, so I probably
> wouldn’t do much trials on it. I want this for the Mountain, and perhaps
> short rides around town.

You have an apple and an orange. No, you have two slightly different
oranges. Either one will be an excellent frame. Both will fit wide
tires. The main difference between those two frames, as I understand
them, is that one is optimized for one-footing and gliding, while the
other one is not.

For me, this is not an issue because I have a different unicycle for
tricks. I would be equally happy with either of those frames (drool).
But if you want to glide or do stuff with one (or both) foot on the
fork, get the KH.

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I also am thinking about buying one of these two framse. Which would be better if I wanted to use it for both MUni and trials (more for trials than for MUni because I already have a 26 in MUni)? Of course, I am looking at buying a 24 in. wheel. Also, how much does a brake really help? Does it get in the way when one does trials?

–Bertram

Take a look at the picture of Kris, here:

http://www.unicycle.com/moviesandphotos.asp

Ok, rotate the picture 20 deg. so that the trees are pointing upright (the desent is still darn impressive, without the hokus pokus with the camera) and ask yourself this : would I rather do this with a brake?

Yeeeeeessssss…yes I WOULD!

Christopher

Hi,

My KH24 will fit a 24x3" wheel/tire and a 26" rim with a smaller tire, if
you want that option.

Both the Hunter and KH24 are good for general MUni. If you want to do
gliding the KH24’s fork crown is better. The brakemount on the KH24 also
has 2 mounting screws for the Magura clamps, which means you don’t need a
brake booster (which don’t fit well over a large 3" tire).

Note that the KH24 comes with a 27.2mm seatpost, which means that it must
be used with a Wilder seatpost bracket.

-Kris.

— Chilliwack <forum.member@unicyclist.com> wrote:
> I’m looking to buy a Muni frame shortly. These are the two I am
> considering: I’ve been looking at this one for a few months http://www.-
> unicycle.com/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=2&subcat=22&cat=Hunter-
> +Cycle+Company&L2=Frames+and+Frame+Parts&L3=Off%2DRoad+Frames&L4=Hunter-
> +Cycle+Company Hunter Frame With Brake Bosses I like that it is 26" and
> has brake bosses.
>
> But then, a few days ago this appeared http://www.unicycle.com/shopping-
> /shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=2&subcat=22&cat=Kris+Holm+Unicycles&L2=Fram-
> es+and+Frame+Parts&L3=Off%2DRoad+Frames&L4=Kris+Holm+Unicycles Kris Holm
> 24-inch Muni Frame This one is 24", and has magura mounts.
>
> The Hunter costs 385$U.S., while the “KH” costs 400$U.S. I have to
> decide which one to order. Problem is, they both look really nice. I
> would appreciate comments on which one to get. Keep in mind I am
> Canadian. I also already have a United Monty trials uni, so I probably
> wouldn’t do much trials on it. I want this for the Mountain, and perhaps
> short rides around town. So:
> Q1: Will the difference in wheel size make much difference?
> Q2: Can I get either in Canada without having to order from the States?
>
> What is recommended? I know both are likely hardcore bad-boys.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Caleb Penner
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/cpenner/ Totally Unrelated Link
>
>
>
>
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Thanks Kris. You rock.(But you knew that…)

I really like that. I’m thinking I could use both a 24x3 and 26x2. Thats cool. I guess that 3" gazzolodi adds lots of height.

One important question, though. Kris, can I get the frame here in Vancouver or do I have to order it through unicycle.com? Don’t get me wrong, everybody, unicycle.com rocks, but you know the Canadian dollars hurting right now.

Beaver- the KH is also available in 20". You may prefer that for trials, since you already have a 26" muni rig.

Later,

Caleb
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“Chilliwack” <forum.member@unicyclist.com> wrote in message
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> I’m looking to buy a Muni frame shortly. These are the two I am
> considering: I’ve been looking at this one for a few months http://www.-
… Hunter or KH24

The hunter has 40mm Bearing housings so can be used with a Suzue or
Splined hub The KH20/KH24s appears to have imperial 1-5/8 inches bearing
housings so you might have trouble finding a bearing for with a 17mm ID
for the Suzue.

BUT if you’re buying an expensive frame you’ll probably going to be going
for a bomb proof splined hub anyway!

LW

hey Kris

do the the brake mounts match up with a 24" and a 26" rim too???

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Brakes will allow you to save energy which is great on a long Muni ride,
say 3 hours+ where your really want to conserve for endurance. I don’t
think they help you negotiate steeper descents - you can do that with your
legs and sufficiently long cranks which you should have anyway for muni.

Brakes will add a bit of weight. My Magura’s stick out slightly and
rub against my calves. These two factors might make brakes undesirable
for trials.

Why aren’t you looking at the Wilder? I tried it at NUC and it is very
light, noticeably so compared to the Vortex at least. I think it might be
quite a bit lighter than the Holm’s and Hunter frames too. Someone was
trying to get frame weights back a ways on the newsgroup, but not sure
what happened or whether it’s up to date. Personally, I would love to
shave a pound off my muni, and the Wilder might fit that bill. I wonder
what kind of a pounding it can take. Scott?

Just buy one of each frame, and let us know how it all works out :slight_smile:

Joe In a message dated 11/28/2001 6:53:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
forum.member@unicyclist.com writes:

> I also am thinking about buying one of these two framse. Which would be
> better if I wanted to use it for both MUni and trials (more for trials
> than for MUni because I already have a 26 in MUni)? Of course, I am
> looking at buying a 24 in. wheel. Also, how much does a brake really
> help? Does it get in the way when one does trials?

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save energy which is great on a long Muni ride, say 3 hours+ where your
really want to conserve for endurance. I don’t think they help you
negotiate steeper descents - you can do that with your legs and
sufficiently long cranks which you should have anyway for muni. <BR>
<BR>Brakes will add a bit of weight. My Magura’s stick out slightly
and rub against my calves. These two factors might make brakes
undesirable for trials. <BR> <BR>Why aren’t you looking at the Wilder?
I tried it at NUC and it is very light, noticeably so compared
to the Vortex at least. I think it might be quite a bit lighter than
the Holm’s and Hunter frames too. Someone was trying to get
frame weights back a ways on the newsgroup, but not sure what happened or
whether it’s up to date. Personally, I would love to shave a pound
off my muni, and the Wilder might fit that bill. I wonder what kind
of a pounding it can take. Scott? <BR> <BR>Just buy one of each
frame, and let us know how it all works out :slight_smile: <BR> <BR>Joe <BR>In a
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trials (more for trials <BR>than for MUni because I already have a 26 in
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You gotta figure out what wheel size you want before you start considering
the frame. The wheel size will have more of an effect on the ride of the
muni than the frame.

There are three common wheel sizes for muni 26x3 3 inch Gazzaloddi
26x2.6 Gazzaloddi Jr or similar tire like the Intense DH tires 24x3 3 inch
Gazzaloddi

I ride a DM Vortex with a 26x3 tire. It’s a big heavy tire and it rides
like a big heavy tire. The 26x3 wheel has some good points and a lot of
bad points. Its added weight makes it harder to jump with, its big size
makes it less maneuverable. But it is a little bit faster than a 24x3
and the big 3" wide tire does eat up the bumps. The 26x3 is best for
trails that don’t require a lot of technical maneuvering because it’s a
little harder to turn than a 24x3 and it is a little harder to jump with
due to the extra weight. A 26x3 wheel will be about a pound heavier than
a 24x3 wheel.

Tires like the 26" Gazz Jr are what I would consider to be a hard core XC
tire. Lighter than the 3" tires. Good for XC type riding on XC trails. Not
the best tire if you are planning on doing big drops.

The 24x3 is the total freeride muni tire. Your best bet for when the
trails get technical. But it is still good for XC riding too. And the 24x3
is still pretty fast as long as the rider knows how to pedal fast. There
were several (many <g>) 24x3 munis finishing ahead of me on the muni races
at NUC even though I was on a 26x3.

IMHO, the 24x3 should be the default size for someone looking for a hard
core muni. Only consider the other sizes if you have a good reason to want
a different size wheel. I’m currently looking for a 24x3 muni for use on
technical trails where I’m finding the 26x3 to be a little too big, a
little too heavy, and a little too hard to maneuver.

One idea that gives you more flexibility is to get a frame that can fit
both a 24x3 and a 26x2.6. Get two wheels and swap wheels depending on
where and how you plan to ride. But it all depends on how you plan to ride
and how much you are willing to spend.

Then there is the issue of flat crown vs. rounded crown. The flat crown
lets you do one footed stuff and (for those with the skill) gliding. But
the flat crown creates an angular edge that you may hit with the inside of
your calf. A rounded crown won’t jab you in the calf when you rub against
it. A well used muni will have the paint all rubbed off near the crown
due to your legs and Roach pads rubbing the frame. Would you rather
rub against a flat crown or a rounded crown?

And finally there is the issue of a brake. If you really want a brake then
the KH muni is the one to get because it has the best brake mount. But
keep in mind that a brake is very difficult to use on a muni. On a fire
road or on a paved road the brake is easy to control and works well as a
drag brake to help slow you down on long descents. But on a bumpy
technical trail a brake is difficult to control. Every time you hit a bump
while applying the brake you run the risk of activating the brake a little
too much and causing a face plant. Brakes also poke out and will jab you
in the leg. When I have the brake installed on my Vortex I may come back
from the ride with a bruise on the inside of my calf from hitting the
brake when I do a jump or do a drop. I hardly ever ride with the brake
installed. I just don’t find it that useful. And when it is installed it
is a hassle to deal with cause you have to worry about snagging the brake
cable (hydraulic tube) when catching the muni after an unplanned dismount.

Happy muni shopping.

john_childs

>From: Chilliwack <forum.member@unicyclist.com>
>
[snip]
>The Hunter costs 385$U.S., while the “KH” costs 400$U.S. I have to decide
>which one to order. Problem is, they both look really nice. I would
>appreciate comments on which one to get. Keep in mind I am Canadian. I
>also already have a United Monty trials uni, so I probably wouldn’t do
>much trials on it. I want this for the Mountain, and perhaps short rides
>around town. So:
>Q1: Will the difference in wheel size make much difference?
>Q2: Can I get either in Canada without having to order from the States?
>
>What is recommended? I know both are likely hardcore bad-boys.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Caleb Penner
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/cpenner/ Totally Unrelated Link
>
>
>
>
>–
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>__________________________________________________________________


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The only reason is that it isn’t available as just the frame, at least at unicycle.com. I like the frame, think it looks hot. I’m gonna email Scott right now, and ask if I can get it separately.

I’ll consider that too. I do wear roach pads some of the time.
[The hunter has 40mm Bearing housings so can be used with a Suzue or
Splined hub The KH20/KH24s appears to have imperial 1-5/8 inches bearing
housings so you might have trouble finding a bearing for with a 17mm ID
for the Suzue.
BUT if you’re buying an expensive frame you’ll probably going to be going
for a bomb proof splined hub anyway!
[/quote]

But I wouldn’t be buying the profile hub/cranks right away. I was thinking on getting a suzue hub just to get started.(I have some old mtb cranks I can use) But that is interesting about the bearings. I have to be able to get bearings that will work with a regular(plain) hub.

Now I’m thinking I don’t really need a brake, from what I’m hearing. We’ll see.

Caleb Penner
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— John Foss <john_foss@asinet.com> wrote:
> You have an apple and an orange. No, you have two slightly different
> oranges. Either one will be an excellent frame… For me, this is not an
> issue because I have a different unicycle for tricks. I would be equally
> happy with either of those frames (drool). But if you want to glide or
> do stuff with one (or both) foot on the fork, get the KH.
>

I think the reason I like gliding on my MUni is because I always ride with
mountain bikers. Without gliding, as soon as we exit our ride onto a paved
road, I go from being easily able to keep up to being instantly left
behind as they relax and cruise away, leaving me pedaling furiously! Not
that I can keep up gliding but at least it’s a bit more relaxing.

-Kris.


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Nycjoe@aol.com wrote:
> Brakes will allow you to save energy which is great on a long Muni
> ride, say 3 hours+ where your really want to conserve for endurance. I
> don’t think they help you negotiate steeper descents - you can do that
> with your legs and sufficiently long cranks which you should have
> anyway for muni.

That’s true for short, steep descents. However, brakes help maintain
better traction when it’s slippery because the braking action is more
constant (the somewhat jerky braking when your just using your legs can
sometimes cause the tire to slip.). If you ride slickrock such as in Utah,
brakes are an absolute godsend because the traction is so good- you can go
down stuff so steep that it’s really hard to brake with your legs alone.
If you ride cross-country, mainly, I agree that a brake isn’t necessary or
even desirable- best to just keep it simple.

> Why aren’t you looking at the Wilder? I tried it at NUC and it is very
> light, noticeably so compared to the Vortex at least. I think it might
> be quite a bit lighter than the Holm’s and Hunter frames too. Someone
> was trying to get frame weights back a ways on the newsgroup, but not
> sure what happened or whether it’s up to date. Personally, I would love
> to shave a pound off my muni, and the Wilder might fit that bill. I
> wonder what kind of a pounding it can take. Scott?

The Wilder seems like a good design unless you want to glide, and also
seems like a nice light frame. However, I think it’s good to remember that
a uni frame, unlike a bike, represents a relatively small proportion of
the total unicycle weight on a MUni. The choice of hub, rim and tire are
the biggest controls on unicycle weight.

Whatever you get, I think it’s a good idea to get a MUni that fits a
standard bike seatpost, because this allows adjustment of your seat angle,
which (in my opinion) is important for comfort.

-Kris.


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In my opinion, the ideal setup is to have two unicycles- a 24" (with 3"
tire) or 26" for MUni, and a 20" for trials or street freestyle. However,
if you like to go riding any distance, and then do trials, or combo
MUni/trials rides, or you want to travel with your MUni and do both types
of riding, the 24" is great because the 20" sucks for traveling distances.

The brake is great for MUni, but is usually useless for hopping and not
needed for most types of trials except rare moves such as down steep
concrete or slickrock. I wouldn’t bother with it- the uni gets chucked
away from you so much when you do trials that there’s a good chance you’d
break it anyway. Again, it’s nice to have more than one MUni! If you’re a
conservative rider and don’t bail spectacularly on regular occasions, it
might not matter as much.

-Kris.

— Beaver <forum.member@unicyclist.com> wrote:
> I also am thinking about buying one of these two framse. Which would be
> better if I wanted to use it for both MUni and trials (more for trials
> than for MUni because I already have a 26 in MUni)? Of course, I am
> looking at buying a 24 in. wheel. Also, how much does a brake really
> help? Does it get in the way when one does trials?
>
> --Bertram
>
>
>
>
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— jagur <forum.member@unicyclist.com> wrote:
> do the the brake mounts match up with a 24" and a 26" rim too???

No, the KH24 brake mounts will only work with a 24" rim.

-Kris.


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