Uni on a tightrope

Hi all

I have just started working on uni’ng on a tightrope and wondered if anyone
has tried it or have any insight into it. I am currently using a cheapo 20’
uni with the tyre removed, some rim tape around the inside and a 16’ inner
tube cut along its length and stretched over the inside to provide some
grip.

I have had a little success so far but having no real knowledge have no real
way to approach the problem, nor to solve difficulties that come up along
the way.

My questions are.

  1. Am I using the correct uni set up?

  2. Is there anything else that I may be missing technically, I.e. something
    I can’t solve with practise such as correct wire tension?

  3. Does anyone know the technicalities of uni rims specifically designed for
    the purpose? I know that DM makes one but when I have tried speaking to Dave
    he seems to want to avoid the whole subject, he also didn’t seem interested
    in selling me one. I guess he is just to busy for one offs right now :slight_smile:

  4. If anyone here has achieved any level of competence at this skill what
    was the learning curve like? I seemed to take to a uni really easily, but
    that was partly because I could identify the causes of problem and then come
    up with a solution. Here I do not feel I have that luxury.

  5. Finally…Thanks for sticking with this so far :slight_smile: Any, and I really mean
    any other advice from the wise?

Regards all.

David Straitjacket
www.straitjacketcircus.co.uk

BTW. As always I am more than willing to answer any queries people may have
re stiltwalking, trapeze, juggling and the like. I can usually offer answers
to circus related questions. If you see it mentioned on my site then I can
probably advise about it. Just so I feel like I am giving something back.

You want the wire tension to be as tight as possible. The more slack, means more wobbling side to side on the rope and this makes it more difficult.

“David Straitjacket” wrote
> I have just started working on uni’ng on a tightrope and wondered if
anyone
> has tried it or have any insight into it. I am currently using a
cheapo
20’
> uni with the tyre removed, some rim tape around the inside and a 16’
inner
> tube cut along its length and stretched over the inside to provide
some
> grip.

Try it with your Monty Tyre at low pressure …

Leo White (who tried this once with “spotters” either side)

In article <u543g8iviom956@corp.supernews.com>, “David Straitjacket”
<straitjacketcircus@‘DELETETHIS’totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I have just started working on uni’ng on a tightrope and wondered if
anyone
> has tried it or have any insight into it. I am currently using a
cheapo 20’
> uni with the tyre removed, some rim tape around the inside and a 16’
inner
> tube cut along its length and stretched over the inside to provide
some
> grip.

i’ve seen a few diferent pictures of people doing uni on a tightrope
holding a big long pole horizontaly for extra balance, one that sticks
in my mind is a bloke on a giraffe.

other than that i cant help you.

UMX aka ewancycle

citizen_smith@hotmailOBSCURED.com
(your know the deal, there isn’t realy a domain called
hotmailOBSCURED.com)

On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 01:58:11 -0000, “David Straitjacket”
<straitjacketcircus@'DELETETHIS’totalise.co.uk> wrote:

>Hi all
>
>I have just started working on uni’ng on a tightrope and wondered if
anyone
>has tried it or have any insight into it.
<snipped the technical questions, have no answers for them>

On http://www.xs4all.nl/~klaasbil/morestamps.htm there is a picture
from a stamp catalogue featuring a unicyclist on a tightrope. He holds
a long beam for balance.

Klaas Bil

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picked automagically from a database:”
“FKS, CICAP, sweeping”

Hi all

Thanks for all the help offered :slight_smile: It seems a very hard subject to learn
about, I guess it is mostly going to be about learning by hard work
along
with trial and error.

I am loath to use a balance pole as suggested a couple of times as my
tightrope experience is all without balancing aids. I feel they detract
from
the performance unless being used for wire walking at a height, i.e. 20

  • 30
    feet or more. And if you suddenly add things like balance poles to an
    act
    which otherwise didn’t have one, people tend to assume that you are have
    started cheating in some way. And in a sense they are correct! Also I
    have
    to work in restricted space a lot of the time, and a 14 ft pole just
    wouldn’t cut it.

Leo white said…

^snip^
Try it with your Monty Tyre at low pressure …
^snip^

I haven’t got a Monty tyre. I do have an Onza on my trials uni and I
will
give it a go on that. Sounds like fun, how did it turn out for you?

Gilby said…

^snip^
You want the wire tension to be as tight as possible.
^snip^

I will bear that in mind, thanks for the advice.

Regards to all

David Straitjacket
www.straitjacketcircus.co.uk

The Great China Circus is performing in my town (Auckland) soon. In
their promotional material is a photo of a woman riding a unicycle on
a tightrope using her hands to work the pedals. That’s impressive!

Hopefully I’ll get to see it in real life at the end of January.

Tony Melton

David Straitjacket wrote:
>
> I am loath to use a balance pole as suggested a couple of times as my
> tightrope experience is all without balancing aids. I feel they
detract from
> the performance unless being used for wire walking at a height, i.e.
20 - 30
> feet or more. And if you suddenly add things like balance poles to an
act
> which otherwise didn’t have one, people tend to assume that you are
have
> started cheating in some way. And in a sense they are correct! Also I
have
> to work in restricted space a lot of the time, and a 14 ft pole just
> wouldn’t cut it.

I agree with balance poles being a bit of a cheat. I’ve
occasionally used a fan for jumps, etc, but all such devices
immediately appear to be making it easier unless the performer
is doing really impossible stuff. I wonder what non-walkers
think?

I’ve tried a bit of wire unicycling using a rim modified in
a similar manner to yours. I didn’t quite get it, but it
seemed like it would be possible given a few hours practice.

I stopped because the conventional rim was getting very bent from
the continual abuse, and the owner of said rim wanted it back!

The only unicycle wire act I’ve seen in person was a chap at the
Wessex convention in Frome (UK) in about 1998. He used a balance
pole, and was about 12 feet up. I had a look at his unicycle
afterwards, and he had a custom rim, exactly the same width as
the wire, very deep sides (inch and a half or so), very solid
construction, and some kind of rubber at the bottom of the
channel. I didn’t have a chance to speak to him, so I don’t
know where he got it from.

Keep us posted with how you get on.

- Richard

On http://www.xs4all.nl/~klaasbil/uniindex.htm I have three links to
unicycling on slackropes and tightropes. One of them is a Chinese
woman wheelwalking on a tightrope.

Klaas Bil

On 28 Jan 2002 02:01:48 -0800, ant24ant@yahoo.com (Tony Melton) wrote:

>The Great China Circus is performing in my town (Auckland) soon. In
>their promotional material is a photo of a woman riding a unicycle on
>a tightrope using her hands to work the pedals. That’s impressive!
>
>Hopefully I’ll get to see it in real life at the end of January.
>
>Tony Melton


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Re: Uni on a tightrope

I did research and tried unicycling on a tight rope many years ago and
may have a few ideas to offer that may not have yet been suggested.

David <straitjacketcircus@'DELETETHIS’totalise.co.uk> wrote:

>Thanks for all the help offered :slight_smile: It seems a very hard subject to learn
>about, I guess it is mostly going to be about learning by hard work along
>with trial and error.

>I am loath to use a balance pole as suggested a couple of times as my
>tightrope experience is all without balancing aids. I feel they detract from
>the performance unless being used for wire walking at a height, i.e. 20 - 30
>feet or more. And if you suddenly add things like balance poles to an act
>which otherwise didn’t have one, people tend to assume that you are have
>started cheating in some way. And in a sense they are correct! Also I have
>to work in restricted space a lot of the time, and a 14 ft pole just
>wouldn’t cut it.

People (professionals) have definitely done unicycling on a tight rope
without a balance pole. Also, you could use a shorter balance pole and
could compensate for the shorter length with more weight in the balance
pole, particularly more weight at the ends. The use of the balance pole
can be thought of as a stepping stone towards riding without one by
reducing the length and/or weight of the balance pole. Several balance
poles of varying length and weight may help attain the ultimate goal of
using no balance pole at all.

>Leo white said…
>
>^snip^
>Try it with your Monty Tyre at low pressure …
>^snip^
>
>I haven’t got a Monty tyre. I do have an Onza on my trials uni and I will
>give it a go on that. Sounds like fun, how did it turn out for you?

This is definitely the hardest way to do this (I’m not sure this
suggestion was even really serious).

>Gilby said…
>
>^snip^
>You want the wire tension to be as tight as possible.
>^snip^

True, but stay well below the tension rating of all components. I’d
recommend a tension of about 1/10 the rating of the weakest component.
A torque wench on the turnbuckle, adjusted (multiplied?) by the
effective lever of the turnbuckle would help measure the actual tension.
A physcist or mechanical engineer could explain this in more detail and
I’d welcome anyone with such skills to do so.

>I will bear that in mind, thanks for the advice.

Professional tight rope walkers and tight rope unicyclists use a minimum
of 5/8 inch thick tight wire with 3/4 inch or 7/8 inch more common just
for added grip between the foot or wheel. The added strength of such
wide wires is not really needed, but is still useful in case of major
defects in the wire. A greater number of smaller diameter strands will
be stronger and less prone to catastrophic failure!

Be careful about turnbuckle (wire tightener) strength as these are
usually rated at about 1/10 the strength of the same thickness of wire.
In fact, you can almost ignore the wire as the component that may fail.
Usually it is the cast steel components with 1/10 the strength or the
wire support structure that will fail. I recall that a U shaped support
structure of a professional’s portable tight wire buckled when it was
tightened after numerous prior shows; it was obviously far too weak to
support the wire (actual strength/failure strength ratio not large
enough) and the repeated stress (fractures) finally did it in!

The wheel should have a 1 3/4 inch or wider rim with a molded rubber
compound put in with about 1 inch wide track for the wire as I recall.
I never built such a wheel, but rather used a bare 3/4 inch rim instead
that didn’t work very well due to low friction between it and the wire.
Tom Miller probably has much greater experience in this area as well as
in all areas of tight wire walking and riding.

In designing a tight wire, remember to use components rated 10 times
greater than the needed strength. Be sure to identify and focus on the
weakest components. Almost more important, consider how the design
might fail and adjust it to reduce the possibility of injury or death
due to a component failing (such as a turnbuckle or chain link, etc.)
For example a loose saftey (backup) cable or chain could prevent a
broken turnbuckle from becoming a lethal projectile; obviously a safety
(backup) cable or chain must absorb the “failure energy” without itself
breaking.

Also consider safety of the rider when he falls. Obviously, a two foot
high wire will almost always be safer than a twenty foot high wire. A
saftey net should be safer than no saftey net. Soft grass should be
safer to land on than hard concrete. Even tar, especially in the
hottest days of summer, will be slightly softer than concrete. Finally,
don’t forget use full body armour or at least minimal protective gear.

Hope this post has been of some help and hasn’t repeated too much
information from prior posts.

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com>

There’s a full performance of a girl riding a giraffe on a tight rope in the Cirque Du Soleil: Saltimbanco video. She freemounts the damn thing on the tight rope, does some stuff on it, and then does a back flip of the giraffe, onto the rope!!! If I remember correctly, she had an umbrella, but I’m not positive… but either way, it was awesome…

Perhaps by looking at this video carefully you could see what sort of things she is doing, and then try them yourself…

G-luck,

Charles

Re: Uni on a tightrope

i can’t offer any tech help for you but i do wish you all the best.

i could probably uni on a wire if it was about 4ft wide.

ref: dave mariners reticence… he just seems to be like that…
doesn’t seem to want to sell anything.

Re: Uni on a tightrope

On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:37:38 -0600, What_Am_I?
<What_Am_I.2cz1b@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:

>There’s a full performance of a girl riding a giraffe on a tight rope in
>the Cirque Du Soleil: Saltimbanco video. She freemounts the damn thing
>on the tight rope, does some stuff on it, and then does a back flip of
>the giraffe, onto the rope!!! If I remember correctly, she had an
>umbrella, but I’m not positive… but either way, it was awesome…

Cirque du Soleil is just sooooo amazing! We’ve been to Saltimbanco
just a month ago, and bought the video. The unicycle-on-tightrope item
was different from the actual show we saw. In the video she does have
an umbrella.

Klaas Bil

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RE: Uni on a tightrope

> Be careful about turnbuckle (wire tightener) strength
> as these are usually rated at about 1/10 the strength
> of the same thickness of wire. In fact, you can almost
> ignore the wire as the component that may fail.

Keep in mind that you not only need tension on the wire to take the weight
of the rider (and cycle), but when the rider is on the wire the tension will
be greatly increased. For this reason, Ken’s recommendation of 1/10 sounds
like a good number, and I would not consider it overkill.

Have fun,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com

“It takes four times the man to ride twice the half the bike.” - Scott
Kurland, on Coker unicycles

Re: Uni on a tightrope

Hi

Sorry it has taken me a few days to reply to this thread, I have been busy.
I was amazed to see it started up again.

I haven’t had a go at uni’ng on a wire for a while as I have been
concentrating on improving my wirewalking skills to the point where I can
comfortably perform (This July is my cut off point for this as I expect to
have shows in August). Plus, I see uni’ng as a long term goal. I think it is
like numbers juggling (5 upwards), a great trick to perform but not a lot
for a non-performer audience to get their teeth into. The time spent in
learning it could be better spent developing and improving on a whole range
of wire skills.

Many Many thanks to Ken Fuchs for his advice! I will be tackling the uni’ng
on the wire later this year and will be saving this thread to help me along
:slight_smile: I especially like the idea of a balance pole as a training aid. That will
defiantly be getting tried. Also I will be looking into getting some sort of
rubber gutter made for the inside of the rim as suggested.

I currently own two wires. A low home made practise rig. Which (I hope)
already takes good account of the points made. Though I will be adding a
secondary wire to the tensioner as suggested. I do not like the idea of that
thing hurtling towards me at speed if it breaks. My other wire is a
professionally made ‘voltiage’ rig. At 2.5 metres high I am more worried
about falling on it and getting catapulted in the air than I am about parts
failure. It is scary up there!

Regards all. And thanks again for all the advice.

David

Re: Uni on a tightrope

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:31:13 -0800, John Foss <john_foss@asinet.com>
wrote:

>> Be careful about turnbuckle (wire tightener) strength
>> as these are usually rated at about 1/10 the strength
>> of the same thickness of wire. In fact, you can almost
>> ignore the wire as the component that may fail.
>
>Keep in mind that you not only need tension on the wire to take the weight
>of the rider (and cycle), but when the rider is on the wire the tension will
>be greatly increased. For this reason, Ken’s recommendation of 1/10 sounds
>like a good number, and I would not consider it overkill.

Ken mentioned a safety factor of 1/10 to observe for the weakest link,
which is often the wire tightener. Apparently they are generally much
weaker than the wire that they fit: another factor of 10. Strange, a
bit unexpected and therefore certainly worth a warning.

John mentions yet another effect: the wire has a much higher tension
than the weight of the rider + unicycle. This is because the wire is
so tight. The force along the wire has only a small vertical component
which must yet be equal to the weight of rider and cycle (and some for
the wire itself). If for example the rider is in the middle of a 6 m
long wire, and the lowest point of the wire is 30 cm below the
supports at the ends, the tension in the wire is about 10 times the
weight of rider and cycle. (And even more if the wire is tighter.)
This is even disregarding dynamic effects but I think these may be
accounted for by Ken’s safety factor of 10.

It follows that if rider and cycle weigh 200 lbs, the wire tightener
will be at a static stress of 2000 lbs. The wire fitting a tightener
rated at 2000 lbs would itself be rated at 20,000 lbs. And if op top
of that a safety factor of 10 is in order, you would have to have a
wire rated at 200,000 lbs, and a tensioner rated at 20,000 lbs. This
is no child’s play. Note that if a component fails, the wire can reach
very high speeds because of the large forces acting on it. The big
ropes (hawsers) by which large boats are towed are infamous for this.
If one breaks, multiple casualties from the rope hitting people are
not uncommon.

If anyone wants to set up a tightrope, don’t just rely on my sketchy
calculations above but get good advice!

Klaas Bil

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Hey David,
If you will be going to http://www.ejc2002.de/, you maybe like to find these people:
EN: http://www.highwireshow.com/
NL: http://www.hoogdraad.com/
DE: http://www.hochseil.de/ elswhere in Germany.
I met them in januar, most of them are able to unicycling on tight-robe.