Under one roof

Hi all,

I’m thinking it’d be good to pull together all unicycle related hardware
info that exists around the net and try to store it under a single domain
name. My thought is that it should be geared more towards technical
detail (measurements, weights etc.) but include notes and or reviews
where possible.

At the moment there’s:

Chris Reeder’s frame measurements http://frames.unicyclist.com/

Toronto Unicycle Club: Tire Page
http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com/tire.htm

Wobbling Unicyclist - Tyres http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Tyres/

Wobbling Unicyclist - Reviews http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Reviews/

Roger’s talking about a brakes page.

Any more?

It’d be good to gather data for hubs, rims, cranks, seat posts etc. etc.
too.

This is no small task but I’ve already written an entire application to
maintain the links, tyres and reviews section on my site and it’d be easy
enough to add more to this.

Anyone interested in helping out or have any ideas?

Cheers, Neil

I agree with Neil, whether it is hosted in one place or we just have a
good links page. I would have thought that the obvious place would be
unicycling.org. This site is looking a little bit on the dated side now
and could do with some more current input. It should not be up to Gilby to
produce all the content. Could we a news group help update the information
there? One of the things that I would like to see on it is an up to date
calendar of events run by date with a historical section similar to the
one produced by the JIS. What do you think Gilby?

Roger

                     The UK's Unicycle Source
                   <a href="http://www.unicycle.uk.com/">http://www.unicycle.uk.com/</a>

----- Original Message ----- From: “Neil Dunlop”
<n.dunlop@kildrummy.co.uk> To: “Unicycling NG” <unicycling@winternet.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Under one roof

> Hi all,
>
> I’m thinking it’d be good to pull together all unicycle related hardware
> info that exists around the net and try to store it under a single
> domain name. My thought is that it should be geared more towards
> technical detail (measurements, weights etc.) but include notes and or
> reviews where possible.
>
> At the moment there’s:
>
> Chris Reeder’s frame measurements http://frames.unicyclist.com/
>
> Toronto Unicycle Club: Tire Page
> http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com/tire.htm
>
> Wobbling Unicyclist - Tyres http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Tyres/
>
> Wobbling Unicyclist - Reviews
> http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Reviews/
>
> Roger’s talking about a brakes page.
>
> Any more?
>
> It’d be good to gather data for hubs, rims, cranks, seat posts etc.
> etc. too.
>
> This is no small task but I’ve already written an entire application to
> maintain the links, tyres and reviews section on my site and it’d be
> easy enough to add more to this.
>
> Anyone interested in helping out or have any ideas?
>
> Cheers, Neil

I am a newbie and I haven’t been all over the net, but the list of links at wobblingunicyclist.com is huge and its broken down by categories as I recall.

For maintenance reasons I think it’d be best hosted under a single domain.
The new unicyclist.com servers support some handy technology which could
come in real useful.

I think updates and modifications would be best handled through the site
itself - that way input can be validated leaving only good data to import
in to the site.

Neil

-----Original Message----- From: Roger@unicycle.uk.com
[mailto:Roger@unicycle.uk.com] Sent: 07 September 2001 14:03 To:
unicycling@winternet.com Subject: Re: Under one roof Importance: Low

I agree with Neil, whether it is hosted in one place or we just have a
good links page. I would have thought that the obvious place would be
unicycling.org. This site is looking a little bit on the dated side now
and could do with some more current input. It should not be up to Gilby to
produce all the content. Could we a news group help update the information
there? One of the things that I would like to see on it is an up to date
calendar of events run by date with a historical section similar to the
one produced by the JIS. What do you think Gilby?

Roger

                     The UK's Unicycle Source
                   <a href="http://www.unicycle.uk.com/">http://www.unicycle.uk.com/</a>

----- Original Message ----- From: “Neil Dunlop”
<n.dunlop@kildrummy.co.uk> To: “Unicycling NG” <unicycling@winternet.com>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Under one roof

>> Hi all,
>>
>> I’m thinking it’d be good to pull together all unicycle related
>> hardware info that exists around the net and try to store it under
>> a single
>domain
>> name. My thought is that it should be geared more towards technical
>detail
>> (measurements, weights etc.) but include notes and or reviews where
>> possible.
>>
>> At the moment there’s:
>>
>> Chris Reeder’s frame measurements http://frames.unicyclist.com/
>>
>> Toronto Unicycle Club: Tire Page
>> http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com/tire.htm
>>
>> Wobbling Unicyclist - Tyres http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Tyres/
>>
>> Wobbling Unicyclist - Reviews
>> http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Reviews/
>>
>> Roger’s talking about a brakes page.
>>
>> Any more?
>>
>> It’d be good to gather data for hubs, rims, cranks, seat posts etc.
>> etc. too.
>>
>> This is no small task but I’ve already written an entire application to
>> maintain the links, tyres and reviews section on my site and it’d be
>easy
>> enough to add more to this.
>>
>> Anyone interested in helping out or have any ideas?
>>
>> Cheers, Neil

Roger wrote:
> I agree with Neil, whether it is hosted in one place or we just have a
> good links page. I would have thought that the obvious place would be
> unicycling.org. This site is looking a little bit on the dated side now
> and could do with some more current input. It should not be up to Gilby
> to produce all the content. Could we a news group help update the
> information there?

Yeah, there is a lot of stuff on the site that needs to be updated. Right
now it lacks most on information about MUni.

Unicycling.org is meant to a collaborative effort and have as much
information about all aspects of unicycling as possible. Most of the
information currently there is from posts to this mailing list.

I am currently working on a system that can be used to manage the content
on the site and it’ll allow different people to work on separate parts of
the site and keep look and internal linking structure consistent through
the site. I hope to have that application up in a month or two, but there
is no point in waiting for that to happen in order for someone to develop
different sections of the site.

So, if anyone wants to work on a section of the site, either a new one, or
one that is currently there, please let me know and I’ll get you access to
the unicycling.org server.

> One of the things that I would like to see on it is an up to date
> calendar of events run by date with a historical section similar to the
> one produced by the JIS. What do you think Gilby?

Sounds good, I’ll try to get that up this weekend.

I think of the web as distributed knowledge. Looking at it that way, a big
links page seems to make more sense than having an area where everyone
puts their content. Although if there is one very highly motivated person
to do all the maintenance work, a master site can work great (for example
www.juggling.org back in the days when Barry was actively working on it).
I think the work for Gilby or another person to update a list of links is
a lot less than creating and maintaining a truly master unicycle site.

—Nathan

“Neil Dunlop” <n.dunlop@kildrummy.co.uk> wrote in message
news:AHECLPPMPEFCOBOOLPOECEDGCGAA.n.dunlop@kildrummy.co.uk
> For maintenance reasons I think it’d be best hosted under a single
> domain. The new unicyclist.com servers support some handy technology
> which could come in real useful.
>
> I think updates and modifications would be best handled through the
> site itself - that way input can be validated leaving only good data
> to import
in
> to the site.
>
> Neil
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Roger@unicycle.uk.com
> [mailto:Roger@unicycle.uk.com] Sent: 07 September 2001 14:03 To:
> unicycling@winternet.com Subject: Re: Under one roof Importance: Low
>
> I agree with Neil, whether it is hosted in one place or we just have a
good
> links page. I would have thought that the obvious place would be
> unicycling.org. This site is looking a little bit on the dated side now
> and could do with some more current input. It should not be up to Gilby
> to produce all the content. Could we a news group help update the
> information there? One of the things that I would like to see on it is
> an up to date calendar of events run by date with a historical section
> similar to the one produced
by
> the JIS. What do you think Gilby?
>
> Roger

> The UK’s Unicycle Source
> http://www.unicycle.uk.com/

> ----- Original Message ----- From: “Neil Dunlop”
> <n.dunlop@kildrummy.co.uk> To: “Unicycling NG”
> <unicycling@winternet.com> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 1:13 PM
> Subject: Under one roof
>
>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I’m thinking it’d be good to pull together all unicycle related
hardware
> >> info that exists around the net and try to store it under a single
> >domain
> >> name. My thought is that it should be geared more towards technical
> >detail
> >> (measurements, weights etc.) but include notes and or reviews where
> >> possible.
> >>
> >> At the moment there’s:
> >>
> >> Chris Reeder’s frame measurements http://frames.unicyclist.com/
> >>
> >> Toronto Unicycle Club: Tire Page
> >> http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com/tire.htm
> >>
> >> Wobbling Unicyclist - Tyres http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Tyres/
> >>
> >> Wobbling Unicyclist - Reviews
> >> http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Reviews/
> >>
> >> Roger’s talking about a brakes page.
> >>
> >> Any more?
> >>
> >> It’d be good to gather data for hubs, rims, cranks, seat posts etc.
etc.
> >> too.
> >>
> >> This is no small task but I’ve already written an entire
> >> application to maintain the links, tyres and reviews section on my
> >> site and it’d be
> >easy
> >> enough to add more to this.
> >>
> >> Anyone interested in helping out or have any ideas?
> >>
> >> Cheers, Neil
> >>
>

I think of the web as distributed knowledge. Looking at it that way, a big
links page seems to make more sense than having an area where everyone
puts their content. Although if there is one very highly motivated person
to do all the maintenance work, a master site can work great (for example
www.juggling.org back in the days when Barry was actively working on it).
I think the work for Gilby or another person to update a list of links is
a lot less than creating and maintaining a truly master unicycle site.

—Nathan

“Neil Dunlop” <n.dunlop@kildrummy.co.uk> wrote in message
news:AHECLPPMPEFCOBOOLPOECEDGCGAA.n.dunlop@kildrummy.co.uk
> For maintenance reasons I think it’d be best hosted under a single
> domain. The new unicyclist.com servers support some handy technology
> which could come in real useful.
>
> I think updates and modifications would be best handled through the
> site itself - that way input can be validated leaving only good data
> to import
in
> to the site.
>
> Neil
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Roger@unicycle.uk.com
> [mailto:Roger@unicycle.uk.com] Sent: 07 September 2001 14:03 To:
> unicycling@winternet.com Subject: Re: Under one roof Importance: Low
>
> I agree with Neil, whether it is hosted in one place or we just have a
good
> links page. I would have thought that the obvious place would be
> unicycling.org. This site is looking a little bit on the dated side now
> and could do with some more current input. It should not be up to Gilby
> to produce all the content. Could we a news group help update the
> information there? One of the things that I would like to see on it is
> an up to date calendar of events run by date with a historical section
> similar to the one produced
by
> the JIS. What do you think Gilby?
>
> Roger

> The UK’s Unicycle Source
> http://www.unicycle.uk.com/

> ----- Original Message ----- From: “Neil Dunlop”
> <n.dunlop@kildrummy.co.uk> To: “Unicycling NG”
> <unicycling@winternet.com> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 1:13 PM
> Subject: Under one roof
>
>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I’m thinking it’d be good to pull together all unicycle related
hardware
> >> info that exists around the net and try to store it under a single
> >domain
> >> name. My thought is that it should be geared more towards technical
> >detail
> >> (measurements, weights etc.) but include notes and or reviews where
> >> possible.
> >>
> >> At the moment there’s:
> >>
> >> Chris Reeder’s frame measurements http://frames.unicyclist.com/
> >>
> >> Toronto Unicycle Club: Tire Page
> >> http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com/tire.htm
> >>
> >> Wobbling Unicyclist - Tyres http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Tyres/
> >>
> >> Wobbling Unicyclist - Reviews
> >> http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Reviews/
> >>
> >> Roger’s talking about a brakes page.
> >>
> >> Any more?
> >>
> >> It’d be good to gather data for hubs, rims, cranks, seat posts etc.
etc.
> >> too.
> >>
> >> This is no small task but I’ve already written an entire
> >> application to maintain the links, tyres and reviews section on my
> >> site and it’d be
> >easy
> >> enough to add more to this.
> >>
> >> Anyone interested in helping out or have any ideas?
> >>
> >> Cheers, Neil
> >>
>

Ok, I’ll publicly admit that I have a tire fetish and will go to near any
length to get more info about tires for unis, so I’m be willing to
continue to update my tire page on
http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com/tire.htm and I encourage Neil to
continue to update his tire page, because we don’t completely cover the
same information.

But as a webmaster for a number of sites, taking on the role of updating
everything for the uni community would be way too much work for any one
person. And we’re all really into uniing, so it’s not too fun to cut into
uni time in order to do computing.

There’s way too much new information out there for one person to cover
well, and, strangely, I see correlations between uniing and all the other
parts of my life on a daily basis. To keep the content fresh you’ll need
many contributors, many life experiences and many viewpoints. Like the
spokes of a uni wheel…

Why not have content updated by different people on their own sites but
all linked from a central place. If we want to get fancy we can index
these pages into a common search engine for the uni community.

Does it really have to be on one server? We may sacrifice freshness,
exciting content and depth for consistency of look and feel. Multiple
content providers specializing in one narrow aspect will allow deep
research on each subject, giving the uni community better information on a
wider variety of topics.

Don_TaiATyahooDOTcoDOTuk, Toronto Canada
http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com

Neil Dunlop wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’m thinking it’d be good to pull together all unicycle related hardware
> info that exists around the net and try to store it under a single
> domain name. My thought is that it should be geared more towards
> technical detail (measurements, weights etc.) but include notes and or
> reviews where possible.
>
> At the moment there’s:
>
> Chris Reeder’s frame measurements http://frames.unicyclist.com/
>
> Toronto Unicycle Club: Tire Page
> http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com/tire.htm
>
> Wobbling Unicyclist - Tyres http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Tyres/
>
> Wobbling Unicyclist - Reviews
> http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Reviews/
>
> Roger’s talking about a brakes page.
>
> Any more?
>
> It’d be good to gather data for hubs, rims, cranks, seat posts etc.
> etc. too.
>
> This is no small task but I’ve already written an entire application to
> maintain the links, tyres and reviews section on my site and it’d be
> easy enough to add more to this.
>
> Anyone interested in helping out or have any ideas?
>
> Cheers, Neil

Hi Don,

> Ok, I’ll publicly admit that I have a tire fetish and will go to near
> any length to get more info about tires for unis, so I’m be willing to
> continue to update my tire page on
> http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com/tire.htm and I encourage Neil to
> continue to update his tire page, because we don’t completely cover the
> same information.
>
> But as a webmaster for a number of sites, taking on the role of updating
> everything for the uni community would be way too much work for any one
> person. And we’re all really into uniing, so it’s not too fun to cut
> into uni time in order to do computing.

I don’t know if it would be too much for one person to maintain what I
have in mind. I’m really just thinking about a collective resource of
consistent measurements (reviews would be nice to have but could probably
be added later) for uni specific hardware like frames, hubs and commonly
used rims. It would take a good bit of work to collect such info to begin
with but once it’s there adding in new items wouldn’t take long - and
would give you something uni related to do when riding isn’t possible :wink:

> There’s way too much new information out there for one person to cover
> well, and, strangely, I see correlations between uniing and all the
> other parts of my life on a daily basis. To keep the content fresh
> you’ll need many contributors, many life experiences and many
> viewpoints. Like the spokes of a uni wheel…
>
> Why not have content updated by different people on their own sites but
> all linked from a central place. If we want to get fancy we can index
> these pages into a common search engine for the uni community.
>
> Does it really have to be on one server? We may sacrifice freshness,
> exciting content and depth for consistency of look and feel. Multiple
> content providers specializing in one narrow aspect will allow deep
> research on each subject, giving the uni community better information on
> a wider variety of topics.

Good point Don. An individual focusing on one specific aspect would
probably work better and result in richer content and depth of knowledge
available. My thought on a single server has slightly more behind it in
that I’m thinking about all data being stored in one format to aid any
cross referencing and maintenance. I was also working on the premise of
one person maintaining it. However, individuals working on specific areas
would remove such a requirement but may result in technical difficulties
if any bell and whistle functionality was to be added at a later date. An
example of such bells and whistles would be the ability to browse through
details on specific components and build a custom uni online knowing
that the various parts are of the right sizes. Something like that could
then be printed out or even submitted direct to Unicycle Source. I’m
getting way ahead of myself here but it’s just an example… all be it a
rather grand one!

Cheers, Neil

>
> Don_TaiATyahooDOTcoDOTuk, Toronto Canada
> http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com
>
> Neil Dunlop wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I’m thinking it’d be good to pull together all unicycle related
hardware
> >> info that exists around the net and try to store it under a single
> >domain
> >> name. My thought is that it should be geared more towards technical
> >detail
> >> (measurements, weights etc.) but include notes and or reviews where
> >> possible.
> >>
> >> At the moment there’s:
> >>
> >> Chris Reeder’s frame measurements http://frames.unicyclist.com/
> >>
> >> Toronto Unicycle Club: Tire Page
> >> http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com/tire.htm
> >>
> >> Wobbling Unicyclist - Tyres http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Tyres/
> >>
> >> Wobbling Unicyclist - Reviews
> >> http://www.wobbling.unicyclist.com/Reviews/
> >>
> >> Roger’s talking about a brakes page.
> >>
> >> Any more?
> >>
> >> It’d be good to gather data for hubs, rims, cranks, seat posts etc.
etc.
> >> too.
> >>
> >> This is no small task but I’ve already written an entire
> >> application to maintain the links, tyres and reviews section on my
> >> site and it’d be
> >easy
> >> enough to add more to this.
> >>
> >> Anyone interested in helping out or have any ideas?
> >>
> >> Cheers, Neil

Lots of interesting talk on collaborating on massive online sources for
unicycle information!

> But as a webmaster for a number of sites, taking on the role of
> updating everything for the uni community would be way too much work
> for any one person.

Surely this is true for many of us. Others are interested in the
information and helping out with it, but are not webmasters at all. They
could probably contribute, but only if they are passing their material
onto somebody who can post it.

> I don’t know if it would be too much for one person to maintain what I
> have in mind. I’m really just thinking about a collective resource of
> consistent measurements (reviews would be nice to have but could
> probably be added later) for uni specific hardware like frames, hubs and
> commonly used rims. It would take a good bit of work to collect such
> info to begin with but once it’s there adding in new items wouldn’t take
> long - and would give you something uni related to do when riding isn’t
> possible

I have to disagree on the updating part. Though getting the initial data
(and designing the system) definitely take up the most time, most of the
facts and figures are not fixed. Manufacturers, of tires, frames, whole
unicycles, etc. keep changing their specs. So any time you measure and
report on parts, the date or model version of said parts will also have to
be included. Later versions of the same frame or “complete unicycle from
CyclePro” will have to be considered allowing for the fact that some of
their dimensions may have changed.

> To keep the content fresh you’ll need many contributors, many life
> experiences and many viewpoints.

> Why not have content updated by different people on their own sites but
> all linked from a central place. If we want to get fancy we can index
> these pages into a common search engine for the uni community.

This would certainly work for the people who happen to have their own Web
sites. But ultimately, if it can all be part of one site (though not
necessarily on a single server) it should be easier to search, read, and
work with. I believe Gilby is working on making it possible for different
people to have access to their own areas on unicycling.org, so they can
take charge of specific subject matter. Even owners of their own Web sites
could do this and possibly host the content on unicycling.org.

The key is in having enough people who have the time to keep their
information up to date. Scattered around and up to date is better than
unified and stale, but it would be nice to shoot for both.

> content providers specializing in one narrow aspect will allow deep
> research on each subject, giving the uni community better information on
> a wider variety of topics.

> specific components and build a custom uni online knowing that the
> various parts are of the right sizes. Something like that could then be
> printed out or even submitted direct to Unicycle Source.

A cool idea, similar to the “unicycle configurator” Java application that
Beirne Konarski made some years ago. But it would only work for spec-ing
unicycles if all the necessary issues of compatibility were taken into
account. Also, it would add a completely additional level of complexity
to include issues of cost. If a person’s chosen design is 95% something
that can be ordered direct from the manufacturer, it would be nice if
they knew this to save cobbling something together from scratch at three
times the price.

My advice to everyone who is keeping listings of any sort of “unicycle
information” is that they should get in contact with Gilby to have it
either linked or hosted at unicycling.org. Someday I will do this myself
with my Garage Page, after it’s been updated into a more comprehensive
gallery of all known unicycle types.

Stay on top, John Foss President, Unicycling Society of America President,
International Unicycling Federation jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

Lots of interesting talk on collaborating on massive online sources for
unicycle information!

> But as a webmaster for a number of sites, taking on the role of
> updating everything for the uni community would be way too much work
> for any one person.

Surely this is true for many of us. Others are interested in the
information and helping out with it, but are not webmasters at all. They
could probably contribute, but only if they are passing their material
onto somebody who can post it.

> I don’t know if it would be too much for one person to maintain what I
> have in mind. I’m really just thinking about a collective resource of
> consistent measurements (reviews would be nice to have but could
> probably be added later) for uni specific hardware like frames, hubs and
> commonly used rims. It would take a good bit of work to collect such
> info to begin with but once it’s there adding in new items wouldn’t take
> long - and would give you something uni related to do when riding isn’t
> possible

I have to disagree on the updating part. Though getting the initial data
(and designing the system) definitely take up the most time, most of the
facts and figures are not fixed. Manufacturers, of tires, frames, whole
unicycles, etc. keep changing their specs. So any time you measure and
report on parts, the date or model version of said parts will also have to
be included. Later versions of the same frame or “complete unicycle from
CyclePro” will have to be considered allowing for the fact that some of
their dimensions may have changed.

> To keep the content fresh you’ll need many contributors, many life
> experiences and many viewpoints.

> Why not have content updated by different people on their own sites but
> all linked from a central place. If we want to get fancy we can index
> these pages into a common search engine for the uni community.

This would certainly work for the people who happen to have their own Web
sites. But ultimately, if it can all be part of one site (though not
necessarily on a single server) it should be easier to search, read, and
work with. I believe Gilby is working on making it possible for different
people to have access to their own areas on unicycling.org, so they can
take charge of specific subject matter. Even owners of their own Web sites
could do this and possibly host the content on unicycling.org.

The key is in having enough people who have the time to keep their
information up to date. Scattered around and up to date is better than
unified and stale, but it would be nice to shoot for both.

> content providers specializing in one narrow aspect will allow deep
> research on each subject, giving the uni community better information on
> a wider variety of topics.

> specific components and build a custom uni online knowing that the
> various parts are of the right sizes. Something like that could then be
> printed out or even submitted direct to Unicycle Source.

A cool idea, similar to the “unicycle configurator” Java application that
Beirne Konarski made some years ago. But it would only work for spec-ing
unicycles if all the necessary issues of compatibility were taken into
account. Also, it would add a completely additional level of complexity
to include issues of cost. If a person’s chosen design is 95% something
that can be ordered direct from the manufacturer, it would be nice if
they knew this to save cobbling something together from scratch at three
times the price.

My advice to everyone who is keeping listings of any sort of “unicycle
information” is that they should get in contact with Gilby to have it
either linked or hosted at unicycling.org. Someday I will do this myself
with my Garage Page, after it’s been updated into a more comprehensive
gallery of all known unicycle types.

Stay on top, John Foss President, Unicycling Society of America President,
International Unicycling Federation jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

Lots of interesting talk on collaborating on massive online sources for
unicycle information!

> But as a webmaster for a number of sites, taking on the role of
> updating everything for the uni community would be way too much work
> for any one person.

Surely this is true for many of us. Others are interested in the
information and helping out with it, but are not webmasters at all. They
could probably contribute, but only if they are passing their material
onto somebody who can post it.

> I don’t know if it would be too much for one person to maintain what I
> have in mind. I’m really just thinking about a collective resource of
> consistent measurements (reviews would be nice to have but could
> probably be added later) for uni specific hardware like frames, hubs and
> commonly used rims. It would take a good bit of work to collect such
> info to begin with but once it’s there adding in new items wouldn’t take
> long - and would give you something uni related to do when riding isn’t
> possible

I have to disagree on the updating part. Though getting the initial data
(and designing the system) definitely take up the most time, most of the
facts and figures are not fixed. Manufacturers, of tires, frames, whole
unicycles, etc. keep changing their specs. So any time you measure and
report on parts, the date or model version of said parts will also have to
be included. Later versions of the same frame or “complete unicycle from
CyclePro” will have to be considered allowing for the fact that some of
their dimensions may have changed.

> To keep the content fresh you’ll need many contributors, many life
> experiences and many viewpoints.

> Why not have content updated by different people on their own sites but
> all linked from a central place. If we want to get fancy we can index
> these pages into a common search engine for the uni community.

This would certainly work for the people who happen to have their own Web
sites. But ultimately, if it can all be part of one site (though not
necessarily on a single server) it should be easier to search, read, and
work with. I believe Gilby is working on making it possible for different
people to have access to their own areas on unicycling.org, so they can
take charge of specific subject matter. Even owners of their own Web sites
could do this and possibly host the content on unicycling.org.

The key is in having enough people who have the time to keep their
information up to date. Scattered around and up to date is better than
unified and stale, but it would be nice to shoot for both.

> content providers specializing in one narrow aspect will allow deep
> research on each subject, giving the uni community better information on
> a wider variety of topics.

> specific components and build a custom uni online knowing that the
> various parts are of the right sizes. Something like that could then be
> printed out or even submitted direct to Unicycle Source.

A cool idea, similar to the “unicycle configurator” Java application that
Beirne Konarski made some years ago. But it would only work for spec-ing
unicycles if all the necessary issues of compatibility were taken into
account. Also, it would add a completely additional level of complexity
to include issues of cost. If a person’s chosen design is 95% something
that can be ordered direct from the manufacturer, it would be nice if
they knew this to save cobbling something together from scratch at three
times the price.

My advice to everyone who is keeping listings of any sort of “unicycle
information” is that they should get in contact with Gilby to have it
either linked or hosted at unicycling.org. Someday I will do this myself
with my Garage Page, after it’s been updated into a more comprehensive
gallery of all known unicycle types.

Stay on top, John Foss President, Unicycling Society of America President,
International Unicycling Federation jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

Lots of interesting talk on collaborating on massive online sources for
unicycle information!

> But as a webmaster for a number of sites, taking on the role of
> updating everything for the uni community would be way too much work
> for any one person.

Surely this is true for many of us. Others are interested in the
information and helping out with it, but are not webmasters at all. They
could probably contribute, but only if they are passing their material
onto somebody who can post it.

> I don’t know if it would be too much for one person to maintain what I
> have in mind. I’m really just thinking about a collective resource of
> consistent measurements (reviews would be nice to have but could
> probably be added later) for uni specific hardware like frames, hubs and
> commonly used rims. It would take a good bit of work to collect such
> info to begin with but once it’s there adding in new items wouldn’t take
> long - and would give you something uni related to do when riding isn’t
> possible

I have to disagree on the updating part. Though getting the initial data
(and designing the system) definitely take up the most time, most of the
facts and figures are not fixed. Manufacturers, of tires, frames, whole
unicycles, etc. keep changing their specs. So any time you measure and
report on parts, the date or model version of said parts will also have to
be included. Later versions of the same frame or “complete unicycle from
CyclePro” will have to be considered allowing for the fact that some of
their dimensions may have changed.

> To keep the content fresh you’ll need many contributors, many life
> experiences and many viewpoints.

> Why not have content updated by different people on their own sites but
> all linked from a central place. If we want to get fancy we can index
> these pages into a common search engine for the uni community.

This would certainly work for the people who happen to have their own Web
sites. But ultimately, if it can all be part of one site (though not
necessarily on a single server) it should be easier to search, read, and
work with. I believe Gilby is working on making it possible for different
people to have access to their own areas on unicycling.org, so they can
take charge of specific subject matter. Even owners of their own Web sites
could do this and possibly host the content on unicycling.org.

The key is in having enough people who have the time to keep their
information up to date. Scattered around and up to date is better than
unified and stale, but it would be nice to shoot for both.

> content providers specializing in one narrow aspect will allow deep
> research on each subject, giving the uni community better information on
> a wider variety of topics.

> specific components and build a custom uni online knowing that the
> various parts are of the right sizes. Something like that could then be
> printed out or even submitted direct to Unicycle Source.

A cool idea, similar to the “unicycle configurator” Java application that
Beirne Konarski made some years ago. But it would only work for spec-ing
unicycles if all the necessary issues of compatibility were taken into
account. Also, it would add a completely additional level of complexity
to include issues of cost. If a person’s chosen design is 95% something
that can be ordered direct from the manufacturer, it would be nice if
they knew this to save cobbling something together from scratch at three
times the price.

My advice to everyone who is keeping listings of any sort of “unicycle
information” is that they should get in contact with Gilby to have it
either linked or hosted at unicycling.org. Someday I will do this myself
with my Garage Page, after it’s been updated into a more comprehensive
gallery of all known unicycle types.

Stay on top, John Foss President, Unicycling Society of America President,
International Unicycling Federation jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com