# seat in front hopping

hi
i have been watching some videos of some seat in front hops and i have seen many people holding there ssaddles on the side when they hop. when ever i do these hops i always hold the handle.

could anyone tell me whichc one you think is easier and does it make any difference?

thanks

joe

I think one reason to hold the side of the saddle is that you are less likely to break the handle if you have a KH or similar saddle. When you hop up onto something from the side, it’s easier to pull the unicycle sideways if you’re holding the side of the saddle. Finally, since the saddle is already out in front of you, if you try to hold the handle, you’re reaching out a ways with your arm, which is awkward and doesn’t give you as much leverage.

bassicaly if you jump seat in you can only hop so high but with seat out you can bring the unicyle realy high up with you so then you can hop even higher

Re: seat in front hopping

The short answer is: holding the seat on the side is easier; it takes less work. Here comes the scientifc explanation, along with experiments you can do yourself to prove my point!

The cycle’s center of gravity is located between the hub and the seat, somewhere along the frame. The easiest way to lift most any object is to grab it at the center of mass and lift up (opposite the pull of gravity).

Give it a try with a broom… Lift a broom, laying flat on the ground, by holding it at one end. Then put it down and lift it in the middle. That should be easier. Note that if you stand the broom straight up, it is much easier to lift it off the ground, no matter where you grab it. This is because it isn’t torquing your hand as much.

Grabbing your unicycle by the side of the seat is like grabbing the upright broom. You’re holding the mass (broom or uni) directly above its center of gravity, hence the lack of torque on your hand (or torque on the object, however you look at it).

Grabbing by the handle is more like grabbing the broom at one end and lifting it off the ground. Pick up your unicycle by the handle and notice how it will tilt such that the center of mass will fall directly under your hand. Try again, pick up your unicycle by the side of the seat and notice that it won’t tilt.

When you take the seat out front, you’re going to be extending your arm quite a bit, such that you’ll end up pulling back on the seat. Unless you’re a pro at ultimate wheel you’ll be pulling even harder on the seat to make the riding easier.

Where you pull on the seat makes a difference, because the frame makes a pull in one direction easy (pulling straight “up,” in line with the frame) and another direction difficult (perpendicular to the frame, pulling the seat forwards or backwards if you will). Pulling on the handle, you’ll be pulling the seat back in towards yourself… but you want to ride seat out, right? Stop pulling back in, then, and just pull up. That’s all the pulling you need to do, the rest is just extra work!

However, easier is relative. seat in is easier, because you have more control on the unicycle. However, it is possible to get a higher hop seat out. So, go figure.

but he’s talking about seat in front hopping only, and where you hold the seat. it’s more difficult to hold the front of the seat if it’s in front of you, because you have to reach. but the side of the seat is right there, so you just grab it, and that’s that…

well said james, i have now started using the side to hold onto when hopping with the seat in front and i can now hop alot higher

thanks for the other replies aswell

LOL. No.

Correct.

Correct.

I’ve never even considered holding the front of the seat with seat out hops. That sounds a lot harder to me. Now I’ll try and fall on my but. And even though I know this, I’ll still try. Infact I’m going outside to try right now.

I just tried hopping, holding the front handle. This doesn’t work… At all.