Does anyone happen to have a short video of someone doing a running mount onto a giraffe? I’d like to see how that’s done before trying it.
Coupla nice ones on One Wheel - No Limit.
Re: Running giraffe mount
>Does anyone happen to have a short video of someone doing a running
>mount onto a giraffe? I’d like to see how that’s done before trying it.
At:
there is a video of Ernest Montego doing his routine which includes a running
mount of his unicycle. The editing is such that it’s not the most instructional
shot of the mount, but the whole act is well worth seeing. It is also not a
short clip at 13.6 MB.
The other videos there are also worth watching.
Cheers,
Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ
RE: Running giraffe mount
> http://www.lysator.liu.se/juggling/
> there is a video of Ernest Montego doing his routine which
> includes a running mount of his unicycle.
Wow. That’s a killer combo trick! You could almost call it “The Juggling
Store on One Wheel”.
His giraffe is fairly low. The lower the unicycle, the easier to do a
running mount. On my Schwinn Giraffe it’s quite a bit more work, and on
anything higher I’d estimate it to be quite difficult to learn, especially
indoors, where there’s less traction.
But on a low giraffe like Ernest’s, a running mount is a piece of cake with
a little practice.
Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com
“If people want to truly understand mountain biking, they have to do two
other things: ride a unicycle, and master the trampoline.” – Joe Breeze,
one of the originators of mountain biking, in a conversation with Tim Bustos
RE: Running giraffe mount
> http://www.lysator.liu.se/juggling/
> there is a video of Ernest Montego doing his routine which
> includes a running mount of his unicycle.
Wow. That’s a killer combo trick! You could almost call it “The Juggling
Store on One Wheel”.
His giraffe is fairly low. The lower the unicycle, the easier to do a
running mount. On my Schwinn Giraffe it’s quite a bit more work, and on
anything higher I’d estimate it to be quite difficult to learn, especially
indoors, where there’s less traction.
But on a low giraffe like Ernest’s, a running mount is a piece of cake with
a little practice.
Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com
“If people want to truly understand mountain biking, they have to do two
other things: ride a unicycle, and master the trampoline.” – Joe Breeze,
one of the originators of mountain biking, in a conversation with Tim Bustos
Re: Running giraffe mount
----- Original Message -----
From: “John Foss” <john_foss@asinet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.unicycling
> But on a low giraffe like Ernest’s, a running mount is a piece of cake
with
> a little practice.
How much does it depend on how LOW you are? Piece of cake? Yeah, maybe this
one:
Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ
PS Actually I had to jump in on this one because I had 5 successful
freemounts of my (low) 5 footer yesterday out of about 35 attempts.
Re: Running giraffe mount
Greetings
In message “Re: Running giraffe mount”,
JohnnyJuggle wrote…
>>Does anyone happen to have a short video of someone doing a running
>>mount onto a giraffe? I’d like to see how that’s done before trying it.
John Foss or soneone else please correct me if I am wrong. Is not the
“official term” for this RUNNING JUMP MOUNT?
>At:
>
>http://www.lysator.liu.se/juggling/
>
>there is a video of Ernest Montego doing his routine which includes a running
>mount of his unicycle. The editing is such that it’s not the most instructional
>shot of the mount, but the whole act is well worth seeing. It is also not a
>short clip at 13.6 MB.
>
>The other videos there are also worth watching.
>
>Cheers,
>Raphael Lasar
>Matawan, NJ
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Re: RE: Running giraffe mount
Greg,
There was a four foot giraffe at the TCUC Regionals in Minneapolis that my son Ben (age 12) was able to mount via running jump mount. I have it on 8mm video but am not sure how to convert it to digital format. It seemed to me that, although there is forward momentum, the leap vertically into the air diminished the forward component enough that he had to do a brief backward idle to stabilize before he rode out of it. Perhaps it was possibly because the uni was not completely vertical at Ben’s apex and he had to backpedal the giraffe back underneath himself.
Bruce
Forgot my quote at the end of the post…(I’ll have to get used to this)
“Time’s sure fun when you’re having flies.” - Frog
RE: Running giraffe mount
> John Foss or soneone else please correct me if I am wrong.
> Is not the “official term” for this RUNNING JUMP MOUNT?
Official according to whom? As yet there is no recognized governing body of
unicycle trick/skill/mount names.
I wouldn’t call it a running jump mount because to me it doesn’t look like a
jump mount. I prefer [giraffe] running mount, or catapult mount.
JF
i’m shocked and appalled!!
>I’d like to see how that’s done before trying it.
where’s your sense of adventure young man?
why not have a go based on what u think u remember of it?
u might come up with something new and then we can call it the harp-mount
u might also get it wrong and then we’ll have to call u georgina
no, this is a good idea
watch the video first
we want to hear u brag when u get it,ok?
Re: Running giraffe mount
Greetings
In message “RE: Running giraffe mount”,
John Foss wrote…
>> John Foss or soneone else please correct me if I am wrong.
>> Is not the “official term” for this RUNNING JUMP MOUNT?
>
>Official according to whom? As yet there is no recognized governing body of
>unicycle trick/skill/mount names.
Of course, that is why I said [“official term”] and not [official term] 
My point is what is establised by usage.
>
>I wouldn’t call it a running jump mount because to me it doesn’t look like a
>jump mount. I prefer [giraffe] running mount, or catapult mount.
So doing it on an ordinary uni is also running mount? I though I heard running
jump mount but I may be wrong.
>JF
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http://www.cjk.org Phone: +81-48-473-3508
RE: Running giraffe mount
> How much does it depend on how LOW you are? Piece of cake?
> Yeah, maybe this one:
No, your own height doesn’t matter, beyond having the leg length to make the
jump onto the unicycle. It’s how high the pedal axle is above the floor. No
matter how tall you are, you have to raise yourself from the floor to that
height. If you are taller you are likely heavier, so that cancels out some
of the height advantage.
> http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0316702056.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Looks like a bunch of boxes to me. But on second glance, I guess it’s really
a cake. Wow! No, that’s way beyond doing a running mount onto Ernest
Montego’s giraffe.
> PS Actually I had to jump in on this one because I had 5 successful
> freemounts of my (low) 5 footer yesterday out of about 35 attempts.
Congratulations! And your 5 footer is taller than Ernest’s.
Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com
“Vehicularly-Injured Sperm-Count seat: better known by it’s abbreviated
name, Viscount.” David Stone, on saddle preference
Yeah, yeah. But where is the short video?
RE: Running giraffe mount
> Official according to whom? As yet there is no recognized
> governing body of unicycle trick/skill/mount names.
Correction:
The above applies only to skills/figures not found on the IUF Standard
Skills List:
http://www.unicycling.org/iuf/rulebook/
Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com
“Vehicularly-Injured Sperm-Count seat: better known by it’s abbreviated
name, Viscount.” David Stone, on saddle preference
RE: Running giraffe mount
> So doing it on an ordinary uni is also running mount?
Yes. We have a “rolling mount” as described in Standard Skill (#201). If you
do this at higher speed, I’d think of it as a running mount. Same thing on a
giraffe, only a little more work for a 4-footer, and a lot more work for a
6-footer.
JF
Re: Running giraffe mount
“Jack Halpern” <jack@kanji.org> wrote in message
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> Greetings
>
> In message “RE: Running giraffe mount”,
> John Foss wrote…[color=darkred]
> >> John Foss or soneone else please correct me if I am wrong.
> >> Is not the “official term” for this RUNNING JUMP MOUNT?
> >
> >Official according to whom? As yet there is no recognized governing body[/color]
of
> >unicycle trick/skill/mount names.
>
> Of course, that is why I said [“official term”] and not [official term]
> My point is what is establised by usage.
I do enjoy observing the current President and Vice President of the IUF
debate unicycling terminology. Of course, John is correct that there is no
official document
that enumerates unicycle terms in any official capacity. And Jack correctly
used quotes to indicate that he understands this.
Based on what I’ve seen it seems to me though that “running mount” is more
accurate since I thought that a “jumping mount” of any kind involved more of
a vertical jump than a push off. Never having done either, this is just an
impression.
Is there a feeling that the IUF, USA or any other unicycling body would be
inclined to sanction a thesaurus of unicycling terminology? (I know depends
on how good it is). I have had it in the back of my mind for a while to
apply the experience I’ve had at work building a thesaurus for
telecommunications to creating one for unicycling.
Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ
Looks like fancy cake but I prefer humble brownies… mmmm.
There are official names and descriptions of mounts – see the USA Rulebook 2001 Section 7.2. Perhaps the list is not complete enough to describe the variations in question. The same is true for the IUF rulebook for 2002.
Whether there is a separate official body governing the maintenance of this list or not is irrelevant; the question is what is the current official name of the mount. The USA/IUF is acting as an official body to establish the names and descriptions in this section; these are used not only in skills competition but in level testing and so are of great relevance to a large segment of the unicycling population.
The list does not make a distinction between giraffe and non-giraffe unicycles.
That said, then, the most applicable description of the mount in question appears to me to have the title “rolling mount”. This is unsatisfying in the present discussion but the closest to “official title” as I understand is currently available.
If the unicyclist walks or runs forward during the mount, then it is not an official {standard} mount in the rulebook, since mount clearly states “standing”. If the mount involved a slight backwards idle, then the mount is not a rolling mount since its description clearly states no backward movement of the wheel. Jump mount and side jump mount clearly state that the unicyclist must be “standing” as well as as requiring that both feet hit the pedals simultaneously. There is no official mount that includes the word “running” in its title. In fact, there are only two mounts the descriptions of which omit the word “standing” – rolling and spin. The spin is clearly not the mount we are discussing since there is no spinning involved.
For the mount in question to be covered officially this section needs to be expanded; not the least of which expansions might be to address the special actions of those mounting tall unicycles.
In short, there are a lot of outlaw mounters out there, including me because whether running or rolling or walking, I always seem to make the wheel stop before I get on. For us to avoid the mounting police, the laws are gonna have to be changed.
If you do get stopped by the Mounties, though, bribe them with cake – it’s very effective!
Yeah, yeah, YEAH. But, where is the short video?
Re: Running giraffe mount
John Foss <john_foss@asinet.com> wrote:
>> How much does it depend on how LOW you are? Piece of cake?
>> Yeah, maybe this one:
>No, your own height doesn’t matter, beyond having the leg length to make the
>jump onto the unicycle. It’s how high the pedal axle is above the floor. No
>matter how tall you are, you have to raise yourself from the floor to that
>height. If you are taller you are likely heavier, so that cancels out some
>of the height advantage.
The only advantage of height is possible increased leg length as John
mentioned, but note that some tall people have short (relatively at
least) legs and long torsos. So some tall people don’t have the leg
length advantage.
Also, note that on a properly adjusted unicycle, the crank set is always
the same height above ground level (for a specific model of unicycle).
Thus, both short and tall people must run, jump or catapult up the same
vertical height as measured with respect to (the motion of) the soles of
the shoes.
Again, note that for the same unicycle model, the seat would be adjusted
a to a height above the crank set of about the riders inseam length
minus the crank arm length. For example, for a person with an inseam
two inches higher, the seat would be two inches higher. Thus the
vertical distance that a rider’s crotch must traverse is exactly the
same no matter how tall they (or their crotch) is when standing.
Finally, someone who has longer legs, probably is heavier due to height
alone. For example, someone who is 10% taller is most likely to be
20-30% heavier, so I’m sure that any leg length advantage a tall person
might have is completely lost due to added weight and possibly more.
My conclusion is the mounting a giraffe is about equally difficult for
people of different heights due to the fact the the seat must be
adjusted proportional higher for riders of taller height.
Sincerely,
Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com>