> There has not been a real democracy since Athens, and it worked in Athens
> because to be a citizen the laws were strict.
It’s way OT, but I can’t let this pass.
The Athens to which you refer was a slave-owning society in which slaves,
women and lots of other people did not have a vote. This is not what most
people mean when they rave about the putative virtues of democracy.
And here I was think’n that this thread was worthless…
Thanks, Aardvark, for adding a word to my vocabulary.
Main Entry: pu·ta·tive
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin putativus,
from Latin putatus, past participle of putare to think
Date: 15th century
1 : commonly accepted or supposed
2 : assumed to exist or to have existed
- pu·ta·tive·ly adverb
Alan also being the only person to use ‘colocutor’ on this forum!
Ancient Athens was not a democracy in the sense in which we use the word today. Only a tiny proportion of people had the vote. Much of the population was either in a form of serfdom or a form of slavery. Women were treated with contempt.
How different that is from a proper democracy as we know it today, where only a tiny proportion of people bother to vote, most of the population has little economic mobility, and women are heavily outnumbered in positions of authority and power.
Not all of us are single-minded "uber-athletes. Some of us like a
bit of socialising. Admittedly, US foreign policy and the case for bombing
Israel instead of Iraq might have been a bit much without a beer in hand…
I had the joy of riding with Alan and sharing a spot of ice cream with him when he was in the US. I don’t understand the attitude of some of you Brits. Talking to Alan was a real pleasure. The listening was a bit tedious but my mind began wandering after awhile so I was OK.