Lately people have been having a difficult time getting Pashleys. Now the newest
web unicycle store is gearing up to import a batch, just for us! (us
= whoever wants to buy one)
UnicycyleSource.com will give you 10% off if you’re one of the first 10 to
order. At least one has been ordered already…
Click on Pashley from here:
http://www.unicyclesource.com/Unicycle_Source_Product_Catalog.html
Does this sound like a plug? Yeah.
Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com
RE: Now you can get a Pashley
> Not trying to criticize anyone’s spending habits, but why is it that many
> people can justify spending 1 or 2 thousand dollars (or more) on a bicycle,
> but spending 5 or 6 hundred dollars for a top-of-the-line Teleford unicycle is
> regarded as unjustifiably extravagent? Some mountain bike
You hang out with a very rarefied crowd. I meet lots of people with very
high-end bikes when I’m on the trails, but never meet any out in the “real
world”. Most of the people writing on the newsgroup would never spend that much
on a bike either.
But how much did they spend on their cars…?
Sure a car is a necessity, but how much car? Do you really need all those
horsepower, electric windows, and that crazy stereo?
Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com
RE: Now you can get a Pashley
> Pashley owners (or test riders) on this list agree that the first thing you
> need to do if you buy a Pashely Muni is to get a different type of seat and
> buy longer cranks. Do the new Pashleys still have these
Apparently the cranks are okay, according to Beirne. The earlier Pashleys were
set up more for road, the makers realizing the fact that 90% of mountain bikes
never go on dirt. But we’re different!
As for the seat, there are some who like it but most don’t. Jonathan Young rode
on his for a year after winning it at the MUni Weekend (then it broke, but he’s
a pretty extreme rider). Ted Howe of Sacramento still has his and he thinks
it’s fine.
I think the seat looks like a giant, padded gravy boat. It does have the
advantage of tilt adjustment, but each person has to make their own decisions
about things like seats. I wouldn’t recommend specing the Pashely with a
different seat because it would just up the price. Better yet, hopefully
UnicycleSource will have a selection of seats to choose from when you order the
Pashley. You’ll probably still have to pay for the Pashley seat tho, because who
else would want it?
> Allison. I’m having a hard enough time convincing my wife that I “need” a $250
> unicycle. I’m afraid to even mention $500 or $600. Actually maybe that would
> be a better approach, Hugh. Tell your wife you need a Telford and when she
> stops laughing you can compromise and “settle” on the Semcycle.
I think that’s how most government contracts get written too… 
Stay on top,
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Re: Now you can get a Pashley
It is easy to justify getting a Telford over a Pashley. The Telford is a high
quality uni while the Pashley is just barely adequate. The Pashley also has a
lot of hidden costs in it that can drive its cost up to near the price of the
stock Telford (without the suspension seatpost).
After you get a Pashley you will find that you need to upgrade most of the parts
on it to make it comfortable and ready for the trails. For what I have spent on
my Pashley I could have purchased a Telford instead.
What a Pashley will realistically cost you (US $): 275 - 300 The unicycle 50
Miyata seat and shims to make it fit 15 - 25 Have a wheel builder tighten the
spokes 40 - 90 New longer cranks, 170mm 15 - 35 New tire suitable for the dirt
10 - 25 Quick release seat post clamp ?? Miscellaneous extras
All of that upgraded stuff comes standard on the Telford. The Telford will also
come with the spokes already properly tensioned and a good tire.
Additional upgrades on the Pashley would be totally rebuilding the wheel. The
stock wheel isn’t all that great if you are rough on it. The spokes constantly
come loose and you will start breaking spokes.
Another advantage to the Telford is that the wheel is easily swappable. You can
get two wheels and have one setup for off-road and another wheel setup for road
use. That essentially gives you two unis. Can’t do that with a Pashley.
The only downside to getting a Telford is that you have to wait till some are
available.
I don’t know if this will do anything to convince your wife that a Telford is a
good deal. Just don’t end up convincing her that the Pashley will be too
expensive after you get the necessary extras.
Good luck john_childs@hotmail.com
>I’m interested, but I have some questions. I seem to remember
several
>Pashley owners (or test riders) on this list agree that the first
thing
>you need to do if you buy a Pashely Muni is to get a different type
of
>seat and buy longer cranks. Do the new Pashleys still have these glaring
>weaknesses or has Pashley done something about them? If
these are
>still problems maybe someone from UnicycleSource.com can tell me how
much
>it would cost to get one that is ready to ride off-road.
>
>I would really like to get a Telford, but I have the same problem as
Hugh
>Allison. I’m having a hard enough time convincing my wife that I “need” a $250
>unicycle. I’m afraid to even mention $500 or $600. Actually maybe that would be
>a better approach, Hugh. Tell your
wife you
>need a Telford and when she stops laughing you can compromise and
“settle”
>on the Semcycle. You go first and let me know how it goes. Don’t forget to buy
>her flowers and tell her you love her.
>
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RE: Now you can get a Pashley
> opinion, a top of the line unit like the Teleford is comparable in quality to
> a custom built, expensive bike. The price he charges for it, considering
> Geoffrey’s low volume and somewhat obsessive attention to quality, is
> incredibly low compared to how much you’d spend for bike parts.
That’s right. If you compare the price of a Telford with what you get, and look
at top-of-the-line bikes, it’s an incredible deal. I think UnicycleSource would
like to add Telford to their list, to fill out (comprise?) the top end. He’s
just waiting for the Telfords to be available.
Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com
Re: Now you can get a Pashley
When you try to justify spending your savings in one area on unicycles in
another, be sure to consider variable as well as fixed costs.
My wife and I sold a second car in order to get a tandem bike (they make
Telfords look like incredible deals). At first the deal looked like a
straight trade, but then I started totalling up gas, oil changes, and
general maintenance. Even though the maintenance required by a tandem is
extensive, we save a bundle over the maintenance on a car. I’ve justified
many upgrades (hydraulic brakes, better pedals, better wheels, etc) based on
those variable savings.
David Maxfield Bainbridge Island, WA
RE: Now you can get a Pashley
> Give me specific details of problems with current Pashley MUni and I will do
> what is required to get them improved.
Is that Duncan Castling? Do you have the ear of the guys at Pashley? Cool.
> I know the saddle’s crap I’ve got the scars to prove it, tell me more…
More like what? Like it’s really really crap? If they’re actually
manufacturing their own seat, it would help to make it smaller, more similar in
shape to a Viscount or Miyata seat, but not round across the top to interfere
with our circulation. Also try to eliminate whatever is causing your scars and
Beirne’s sore spots. This might be from too much width and hard foam.
Better yet, start over and build the world’s best air seat! A strong cover
over a space for an innertube. Bumpers or hard foam to protect from drops.
The old-fashioned tilt adjuster should go too. Miyata and many other brand
seats have no tilt adjustment but I never hear people complaining about that
fact on them…
> the current seat clamp is alloy BMX with Allen key- what’s wrong with that?
Fine with me. I always need a very powerful clamp, because my seat gets a lot of
twisting force on it. It’s very hard to find a quick release clamp that’s even
close to strong enough. Besides, quick release should be an aftermarket addition
for a MUni, which in most cases is probably ridden by one primary person. Quick
release is more useful on a learning machine.
> I thought the 26" Camel MUni tire was fine , but have changed my mind- I’m
> still looking for a centre ridge tire with good mud paddles on the side -
Where we ride, tires wear out relatively fast. The best MUni tire I’ve had so
far was great until the sidewall blew out. I would still use that tire if I can
get another one because it had a tread that rode good on dirt & pavement, and
had plenty of tread but not too much. It was a great compromise for my type of
riding, but tire choice is a very personal thing and depends on where you ride.
I wouldn’t worry too much about tires.
But I usually don’t like tires with center ridges. It depends on the size/shape
of the ridge, but they usually don’t work well for me on hard ground.
> (Constructive criticism always welcome)
The bearing attachment method is primitive. If the uni does not come with
washers to interface between the round tubing and the flat washers, they are a
must. Brett Bymaster says the tubing is tapered where the bearing attaches, for
a poor fit that probably stresses the tubing. Another possibility for this area
is to use two seat post clamps instead of all the bolts.
Enjoy, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone happy on my Roger Davies Carbon
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RE: Now you can get a Pashley
> Wouldn’t it be best to have a Pashley that fit a stock seatpost, with good,
> standard rails on the seat, so people could choose what type and quality of
> seatpost they want? This way they could get a seatpost shock if they want, or
> a good post with a strong tilt adjustment. At the last MUni weekend there was
> quite a wide variety in preferences for different seat angles.
A seat with standard rails would be nice for MUni (or Muni), allowing a choice
of suspension posts, which are very useful for MUni riders, or standard industry
mountain bike posts.
Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com
Re: Now you can get a Pashley
The Pashley is definitely a much better deal over in the UK than it is over here
in the US. Now that www.unicyclesource.com is selling the Pashley at a discount
there is hope for those of us in the US.
Some riders may be able to get away with only doing minimal upgrades to the
Pashely, but I ended up spending quite a bit to upgrade the Pashley to my needs.
I’m not complaining about the Pashley (I spent the money on upgrades very
willingly and eagerly). I just wanted to point out that the cost will rise if
you decide to upgrade some of the components. The only original equipment on my
Pashley is the fork, bearing holders, bearings, seat post clamp, and hub.
I do believe that it is absolutely necessary to have all of the spokes tightened
by a professional wheel builder before you ride it. When I got my Pashley the
spokes were very loose. Loose spokes will break. An improperly built wheel will
not last, especially if you use it off-road.
From: sarah@vimes.u-net.com (Sarah Miller)
>John Childs (john_childs@hotmail.com) wrote:
>
>: It is easy to justify getting a Telford over a Pashley. The Telford is a high
>: quality uni while the Pashley is just barely adequate. The Pashley also has a
>: lot of hidden costs in it that can drive its cost up to near the price of the
>: stock Telford (without the suspension seatpost).
>
>Hang on… this does depend on where you live and what you want to do, in the UK
>the pashley is only 130 ukp from most good bike shops ( orderd I grant rather
>than off the shelf)
>
>: What a Pashley cost US$ UK pounds 275 - 300 The unicycle 130
>
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Re: Now you can get a Pashley
I’m interested, but I have some questions. I seem to remember several Pashley
owners (or test riders) on this list agree that the first thing you need to do
if you buy a Pashely Muni is to get a different type of seat and buy longer
cranks. Do the new Pashleys still have these glaring weaknesses or has Pashley
done something about them? If these are still problems maybe someone from
UnicycleSource.com can tell me how much it would cost to get one that is ready
to ride off-road.
I would really like to get a Telford, but I have the same problem as Hugh
Allison. I’m having a hard enough time convincing my wife that I “need” a $250
unicycle. I’m afraid to even mention $500 or $600. Actually maybe that would be
a better approach, Hugh. Tell your wife you need a Telford and when she stops
laughing you can compromise and “settle” on the Semcycle. You go first and let
me know how it goes. Don’t forget to buy her flowers and tell her you love her.
On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Foss, JohnX wrote:
> Lately people have been having a difficult time getting Pashleys. Now the
> newest web unicycle store is gearing up to import a batch, just for us! (us
> = whoever wants to buy one)
>
> UnicycyleSource.com will give you 10% off if you’re one of the first 10 to
> order. At least one has been ordered already…
>
> Click on Pashley from here:
> http://www.unicyclesource.com/Unicycle_Source_Product_Catalog.html
>
> Does this sound like a plug? Yeah.
>
> Stay on top,
>
> John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com
Re: Now you can get a Pashley
Not trying to criticize anyone’s spending habits, but why is it that many people
can justify spending 1 or 2 thousand dollars (or more) on a bicycle, but
spending 5 or 6 hundred dollars for a top-of-the-line Teleford unicycle is
regarded as unjustifiably extravagent? Some mountain bike cranksets cost as much
as a whole Teleford.
-Kris.
At 05:14 PM 4/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I’m interested, but I have some questions. I seem to remember several Pashley
>owners (or test riders) on this list agree that the first thing you need to do
>if you buy a Pashely Muni is to get a different type of seat and buy longer
>cranks. Do the new Pashleys still have these glaring weaknesses or has Pashley
>done something about them? If these are still problems maybe someone from
>UnicycleSource.com can tell me how much it would cost to get one that is ready
>to ride off-road.
>
>I would really like to get a Telford, but I have the same problem as Hugh
>Allison. I’m having a hard enough time convincing my wife that I “need” a $250
>unicycle. I’m afraid to even mention $500 or $600. Actually maybe that would be
>a better approach, Hugh. Tell your wife you need a Telford and when she stops
>laughing you can compromise and “settle” on the Semcycle. You go first and let
>me know how it goes. Don’t forget to buy her flowers and tell her you love her.
>
>
>On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, Foss, JohnX wrote:
>
>> Lately people have been having a difficult time getting Pashleys. Now the
>> newest web unicycle store is gearing up to import a batch, just for us! (us
>> = whoever wants to buy one)
>>
>> UnicycyleSource.com will give you 10% off if you’re one of the first 10 to
>> order. At least one has been ordered already…
>>
>> Click on Pashley from here:
>> http://www.unicyclesource.com/Unicycle_Source_Product_Catalog.html
>>
>> Does this sound like a plug? Yeah.
>>
>> Stay on top,
>>
>> John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com
>>
>
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Suite 550, Sun Life Plaza, 1100 Melville Street, Vancouver, B.C. V6E 4A6
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Re: Now you can get a Pashley
93’ Geo Prism 95’ Kona Kula 70’s Schwinn 20" (Just ordered a new one) Your right
I spent way too much on my bicycle! I blew my whole income tax return on it that
year! But things change, now I have two children. They change the whole cash
flow thing!!! -Mary
Foss, JohnX <johnx.foss@intel.com> wrote in article
<99BAA0EF4B10D211AC4000A0C95BF940017AFA60@fmsmsx45.fm.intel.com>…
> > Not trying to criticize anyone’s spending habits, but why is it that many
> > people can justify spending 1 or 2 thousand dollars (or more) on a bicycle,
> > but spending 5 or 6 hundred dollars for a top-of-the-line Teleford unicycle
> > is regarded as unjustifiably extravagent? Some mountain bike
>
> You hang out with a very rarefied crowd. I meet lots of people with very
> high-end bikes when I’m on the trails, but never meet any out in the
"real
> world". Most of the people writing on the newsgroup would never spend
that
> much on a bike either.
>
> But how much did they spend on their cars…?
>
> Sure a car is a necessity, but how much car? Do you really need all those
> horsepower, electric windows, and that crazy stereo?
>
> Stay on top,
>
> John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com
Re: Now you can get a Pashley
Give me specific details of problems with current Pashley MUni and I will do
what is required to get them improved. I know the saddle’s crap I’ve got the
scars to prove it, tell me more… the current seat clamp is alloy BMX with
Allen key- what’s wrong with that? I thought the 26" Camel MUni tire was fine ,
but have changed my mind- I’m still looking for a centre ridge tire with good
mud paddles on the side - any suggestions? The seat post may soon be changed to
alloy (hopefully) I’m currently using a TIORGA downhill saddle on a micro pin
post and it works, wonderful for kick-ups. crank lengths are a matter of
personal preference and easily changed. I love the current WELLGO alloy pedals
and they open beer bottles! (Constructive criticism always welcome)
Duncan
Re: Now you can get a Pashley
John Childs (john_childs@hotmail.com) wrote:
: It is easy to justify getting a Telford over a Pashley. The Telford is a high
: quality uni while the Pashley is just barely adequate. The Pashley also has a
: lot of hidden costs in it that can drive its cost up to near the price of the
: stock Telford (without the suspension seatpost).
Hang on… this does depend on where you live and what you want to do, in the UK
the pashley is only 130 ukp from most good bike shops ( orderd I grant rather
than off the shelf)
: What a Pashley cost US$ UK pounds 275 - 300 The unicycle 130
: 50 Miyata seat and shims to make it fit
Viscount seat and post no shim needed 35
: 15 - 25 Have a wheel builder tighten the spokes
No wheel builder has touched mine, I own a spokekey 1
: 40 - 90 New longer cranks, 170mm
Some of us like 6 inch cranks 0
: 15 - 35 New tire suitable for the dirt
Mine has coped fine with 16 months hard riding off road
no idea how many miles but some hundreds 0
: 10 - 25 Quick release seat post clamp
Do you really need this, allen bolts are lighter 0
: Additional upgrades on the Pashley would be totally rebuilding the wheel. The
: stock wheel isn’t all that great if you are rough on it. The spokes constantly
: come loose and you will start breaking spokes.
I’ve not had any problems with loose spokes yet, I have snapped two or three but
am quite capable of replacing them my self, the wheel is still true and I still
have some spare spokes in the tool kit.
: I don’t know if this will do anything to convince your wife that a Telford is
: a good deal. Just don’t end up convincing her that the Pashley will be too
: expensive after you get the necessary extras.
Some times buget plays a big part in a choice, it certainly did for us, 1st
chice would have been 2 carbon fibre Munis with all viscount or miayta seats but
as a husband wife pair we couldn’t afford two. Two pashleys however were
affordable and are still going strong.
catch me at the BMW sarah
Re: Now you can get a Pashley
Sarah Miller wrote:
> : What a Pashley cost US$ UK pounds 275 - 300 The unicycle 130
You can get the Pashley Muni for about 115 almost anywhere, if anyone has a
problem, give me a call, I have an account with them. I mean UK only…
Roger
Re: Now you can get a Pashley
On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Kris Holm wrote:
>
> Not trying to criticize anyone’s spending habits, but why is it that many
> people can justify spending 1 or 2 thousand dollars (or more) on a bicycle,
> but spending 5 or 6 hundred dollars for a top-of-the-line Teleford unicycle is
> regarded as unjustifiably extravagent? Some mountain bike cranksets cost as
> much as a whole Teleford.
>
I’ll try that argument with my wife. The only problem is I bought my current
mountain bike used for $200. She’ll probably apply the same ratio, which will
leave me with about $50 to spend. I guess I’ll just point out how much money I
saved on my mountain bike. 
Re: Now you can get a Pashley
In article <Pine.LNX.3.95.990422094036.21436B-100000@diamond.kwu.edu>, Troy
Harding <troyh@diamond.kwu.edu> wrote:
> I’ll try that argument with my wife. The only problem is I bought my current
> mountain bike used for $200. She’ll probably apply the same ratio, which will
> leave me with about $50 to spend. I guess I’ll just point out how much money I
> saved on my mountain bike.
That approach would be guaranteed to work with my wife. In her mind money saved
= money you automatically get to spend on something else.
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Re: Now you can get a Pashley
> I’m interested, but I have some questions. I seem to remember several Pashley
> owners (or test riders) on this list agree that the first thing you need to do
> if you buy a Pashely Muni is to get a different type of seat and buy longer
> cranks. Do the new Pashleys still have these glaring weaknesses or has Pashley
> done something about them? If these are still problems maybe someone from
> UnicycleSource.com can tell me how much it would cost to get one that is ready
> to ride off-road.
I got mine last summer. The crank arms are longer than they used to be and are
fine. The seat really is uncomfortable, though. Overall I’m glad I got
it. It has been a good solid muni.
Beirne
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Re: Now you can get a Pashley
>
> As for the seat, there are some who like it but most don’t. Jonathan Young
> rode on his for a year after winning it at the MUni Weekend (then it broke,
> but he’s a pretty extreme rider). Ted Howe of Sacramento still has his and he
> thinks it’s fine.
>
> I think the seat looks like a giant, padded gravy boat. It does have the
> advantage of tilt adjustment, but each person has to make their own decisions
> about things like seats. I wouldn’t recommend specing the Pashely with a
> different seat because it would just up the price. Better yet, hopefully
> UnicycleSource will have a selection of seats to choose from when you order
> the Pashley. You’ll probably still have to pay for the Pashley seat tho,
> because who else would want it?
>
At first I thought the seat was big and comfortable. It was like sitting on a
table. Somehow something underneath the padding sticks out, though, and pokes
hard into my inner thigh. There are other problems that I can’t talk about in
polite company, although it may just be me.
Beirne
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RE: Now you can get a Pashley
At 05:57 PM 4/21/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> Not trying to criticize anyone’s spending habits, but why is it that many
>> people can justify spending 1 or 2 thousand dollars (or more) on a bicycle,
>> but spending 5 or 6 hundred dollars for a top-of-the-line Teleford unicycle
>> is regarded as unjustifiably extravagent? Some mountain bike
>
>You hang out with a very rarefied crowd. I meet lots of people with very
>high-end bikes when I’m on the trails, but never meet any out in the "real
>world". Most of the people writing on the newsgroup would never spend that much
>on a bike either.
-JF.
Sorry, I didn’t mean that it’s justifiable to spend lots on a unicycle just
because it’s possible to spend lots on a bike. I meant that, in my opinion, a
top of the line unit like the Teleford is comparable in quality to a custom
built, expensive bike. The price he charges for it, considering Geoffrey’s low
volume and somewhat obsessive attention to quality, is incredibly low compared
to how much you’d spend for bike parts.
Cheers,
Kris.
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Suite 550, Sun Life Plaza, 1100 Melville Street, Vancouver, B.C. V6E 4A6
Tel:(604) 685-0275 Fax:(604) 684-6241 Email: kholm@eba.ca