Kick-Up origins, origin of skills

Jack Halpern wrote:
>I think Alberto got it just right. I was the first to think of it, and Daniel
>was the first to actually do it. But if I’m not mistaken, I did learn how to do
>the same day. So let “history” credit us both.

    Let history credit Daniel, who used it in performance at the 1982
    National Unicycle Meet. Is this where the two of you learned this mount?
    I don't know of any time before this when the two of you were in the
    same place. Bill Karbo and others also picked up the kick-up mount by
    the end of that weekend. Later that year, I went to Germany and met
    Peter Rosendahl (who later became the first IUF Men's Individual
    Freestyle World Champion). He learned the kick-up from me, and that
    Christmas, had photo cards made, showing him doing a kick-up, while
    juggling torches, in the Sweden snow! Talk about a great unicycling
    skill flashing its way around the world!

>Speaking of history, wouldn’t it be great if we could start an archive
>recording the stories of the genesis of major unicycling skills

Yes, but this raises issues such as:

  1. who thought of it first

  2. who did it first

  3. who did it in front of people first

  4. who performed it in a show or competition (widely seen) first

    Who, of the above people, gets the credit? For the kick-up, I would
    credit Jack with invention, and Daniel with the first execution, and
    performance, of the tr-- uh, skill. In my book, Daniel Dumeng gets
    credit for the kick-up. However, the story may be different for
    different skills, such as the 450 to hopping on wheel. Javier Ruiz
    claims to have executed this skill first (having done so within the past
    year), yet it is listed in the IUF Standard Skills List from 1988, which
    is perhaps where he got the motivation to work on it in the first place.
    The trick was already invented, but had not yet been done, at the time
    of writing.
    

>I think that John Jenack, who has his father’s extensive records, could
>probably contribute there. I wonder if he is email accessible…

JeanPaul (John) Jenack is not yet email accessible. Also, his father’s records
are not readily accessible, and are not a likely source of information in the
near future.

John Foss, President International Unicycling Federation unifoss@cerfnet.com

|> Jack Halpern wrote:
| >I think Alberto got it just right. I was the first to think of it, and
|> >Daniel was the first to actually do it. But if I’m not mistaken, I did learn
|> >how to do the same day. So let “history” credit us both.
|>
John Foss wrote:
|> Let history credit Daniel, who used it in performance at the 1982
|> National Unicycle Meet. Is this where the two of you learned this mount?
|> I don’t know of any time before this when the two of you were in the
|> same place. Bill Karbo and others also picked up the kick-up mount by
|> the end of that weekend.

I disagree, and I think it should be Daniel and I, not because I want my place
of glory in the sun :->, but in principle (see below). Maybe we did it Kokomo in
1980 or even in Findlay in 1979? I think it may have been 1980, id daniel was
there, but I guess these things can be checked…

Jack Halpern wrote:
|>
|> >Speaking of history, wouldn’t it be great if we could start an archive
|> >recording the stories of the genesis of major unicycling skills

John Foss wrote:
|>
|> Yes, but this raises issues such as:
|> 1. who thought of it first
|> 2. who did it first
|> 3. who did it in front of people first
|> 4. who performed it in a show or competition (widely seen) first
|>
|> Who, of the above people, gets the credit? For the kick-up, I would
|> credit Jack with invention, and Daniel with the first execution, and
|> performance, of the tr-- uh, skill. In my book, Daniel Dumeng gets
|> credit

I think 3 and 4 are irrelevant, 1 and 2 relevant. What does 3 mean, anyway, one
person? 1000? Let’s keep things simple.

BTW, I will repeat my challenge for what could truly be considered one of the
ultimate skills: coasting while standing with both feet on the seat. And, just
for the record, I thought of this many years ago…

Stay on top,

Jack Halpern IUF Vice President

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