Help me build a tough street unicycle

Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

Joe,
Can you tell if the rim is close enough to the fork “crown” to install a
sidepull brake? I would be interested to hear your speeds once you get
more experience on the new unicycle.

Jeff
P.S. Hey, how about a unicycle version of the Tour de France, but instead
be something like Tour de Liechtenstein or Tour de Upper Peninsula!

On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 12:22:29 GMT “Joe Marshall” <news@joemarshall.org.uk>
writes:
> Hi there,
>
> I’ve just built myself up a speedy little street / muni racing
> unicycle,
> which could possibly fit most of your needs, although I’m probably
> going to
> disagree with every else who said 26" wheel, long 150 cranks or
> whatever.
>
> What I’ve got:-
>
> 700c wheel (which is sometimes incorrectly I think called 28" - 28"
> is a
> different size you can’t get any more)
> made from:-
> Mavic T261 tandem/touring rim (48 hole, pretty wide)
> Suzue Hub(48 hole)
> lots of spokes (bog standard stainless ones) built 4 cross
>
> Nimbus II 28" frame - this is fat enough for a really really monster
> tyre on
> your 700c wheel, which the original Nimbus 28" wasn’t. It seems
> pretty solid
> and has nice friendly bearing holders.
>
> 110 Bicycle euro cranks, imitation wellgo pedals, possibly soon to
> have
> zefal half toeclips
>
> Now as for tyre selection for this, there’s a great selection of
> skinny
> tyres and hybrid tyres up to about 40mm wide (1.6 inches), but also
> there
> are now 29" mountain bike tyres, which are based on the same rim
> size and
> superfat cross tyres, eg the bottom one on this page and the IRC
> 29er tyres
> (not up on their website yet, contact your nearest gary fisher
> dealer for
> them)http://www.cambriabike.com/tires/cyclocross.htm
>
> I’ve got a plain miyata seat, consensus seems to be get an airseat
> if you
> can be bothered.
>
> The whole setup (with a 38mm hybrid tyre) weighs a less than my
> Pashley 26"
> (with Nokian tyre) partly because of the big difference in tyre
> weight and
> is almost as fast as my Coker.
>
>
> If you wanted to make this stronger, you could:-
>
> a) use a heavier stronger rim, eg. Sun Rhyno 700c, other fat tandem
> rims
> b) use fat spokes
> c) get the super duper profile hub,
> I wouldn’t do this personally as it limits the spoke count and crank
> length
> and and a 145 / 150 cranked 700c wheel is well slow. But then I’m
> spoilt by
> the coker as far as speed goes, so maybe you might not find it so
> slow. I
> also wanted the same hub as my 26" wheel so that I can switch them
> in the
> frame.
>
> d) get someone to make you a frame
>
> If you really want the ultimate super duper unicycle, I hear Dave
> Mariner
> (www.unicycle.co.uk) made some bigger wheeled unicycles for people,
> if one
> was to persuade him to make a 700c wheel with big clearance and the
> same
> crankset as the dm atu that’d be pretty solid. I’d guess DM can do
> custom
> models internationally although that might push the cost up. Again
> I’m not
> sure if his splined cranks come in short sizes or not.
>
> Given that lots of my riding is getting to places, I’m probably a
> bit more
> fussy about speed than most, if you’re not fussy about speed, or you
> want to
> do some urban stuff, stairs etc. you might be better with the 26"
> wheel
> profile hub things people are talking about.
>
> Joe
>
>
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So then do I want a Mammoth or a DoubleWide, and why?

Thanks for the other information,

Lewis

Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

Dremel tools are really great for destroying things…

Well, I really wanted to use the 3" tire and it barely fit with some slight
rubbing. The DM ATU frame is really strong and I seriously doubt that I
weakened it much at all. It rides great now and I have a 3" tire! My only
concern is getting water into the frame, although the inside of the tube
already had a fair amount of rust growing in there when I opened it up.

Any ideas on plugging the hole?

-Bronson

“Leo White” <leo.white@tesco.net> wrote in message
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>
> “Bronson Silva” <bsilva1234@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a6arg4$o03@dispatch.concentric.net
> > I like your DM ATU specs. I have a DM ATU that is “modified” to accept a
> > 24x3 Dyno Fireball tire
(http://community.webshots.com/user/curriedgoat).
>
> Sacrilege ! What have you done to your poor frame!!!
>
> Surely that might invalidate any warrenty :wink:
>
>
> Leo White
>
>

Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:23:10 -0600, Animation
<Animation.17asy@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:

>Maybe I could use my uni as an ultimate wheel. For about 20 feet, i was
>balancing only using my feet on the pedals … the seat was somewhere,
>but it wasn’t offering any support, because it had slipped (the post)
>and fallen way down below where my crotch could actually sit on it. :slight_smile:
>haha!
Even if the seat is too low to support you, it still limits
side-to-side wobble. Thus, a(n?) UW is more difficult I think.

Klaas Bil

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Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

I’ll add my vote for using a 700c-based wheel for on the road. I love the
agility and speed that come with the light weight. I have lots of steep hills,
so I’m sticking with 152 cranks. I put on some 125’s, but got sore knees.

I’m still playing with different tires. I used a very lightweight Ritchey road
tire for a while. Now I have a Conti top touring tire that is larger and a bit
heavier. I think a 29-er tire would be fun to try as well.

I’m still faster on my Coker, but I can handle the steep stuff way better on
the 700c.
See map: www.cascade.org/chilly_hilly/ChillyHillyProfile.jpg

David Maxfield
Bainbridge Island, WA
home of the Chilly Hilly

Re: Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

Shoe-Goo, silicon sealant or caulk might do the trick.

A more permanent option would be moldable epoxy putty. But that would be very permanent. Shoe-Goo would be removable if you decided to try something else to plug the hole.

john_childs

Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

“Maxfield D” <maxfieldd@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020308194522.08671.00000736@mb-md.aol.com
> I’ll add my vote for using a 700c-based wheel for on the road. I love the
> agility and speed that come with the light weight. I have lots of steep
hills,
> so I’m sticking with 152 cranks. I put on some 125’s, but got sore knees.
>
> I’m still playing with different tires. I used a very lightweight Ritchey
road
> tire for a while. Now I have a Conti top touring tire that is larger and a
bit
> heavier. I think a 29-er tire would be fun to try as well.
>
> I’m still faster on my Coker, but I can handle the steep stuff way better
on
> the 700c.
> See map: www.cascade.org/chilly_hilly/ChillyHillyProfile.jpg

whoooah there’s some steep hills in there.

I did a long night ride on Saturday night and discovered the limits of my
riding uphill ability with 110 cranks to be about 15-20%, 15% was rideable
without too many problems, but a bit steeper hill was walking after about 10
metres. I can see why you want a cider stop before 250 metres height gain at
8.5%, that looks like a real killer. I’m still having some problems with
downhills on the 125 cranks, I ran out a few times Saturday, especially once
I was a bit tired and I definately can’t ride down 15% slopes… I was
surprised that it wasn’t that much harder riding uphill with short cranks,
but it was loads harder riding downhill.

Joe

Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

“jeff d tuttle” <moosebreath1@juno.com> wrote in message
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> Joe,
> Can you tell if the rim is close enough to the fork “crown” to install a
> sidepull brake? I would be interested to hear your speeds once you get
> more experience on the new unicycle.
>
Dunno, Leo White will probably know? I think you can get special long reach
brakes which might help even if you couldn’t. Is there any way to fit V
brakes or cantilevers onto a unicycle, I guess that would need some little
bits welding on if you can’t get bolt on brake bosses?

> P.S. Hey, how about a unicycle version of the Tour de France, but instead
> be something like Tour de Liechtenstein or Tour de Upper Peninsula!

Is that Liechtenstein as in the very very hilly place in Europe or is there
somewhere in America called that?

Joe

All,

I have decided on a few things (SemCycle XLW, 26" wheel, profile crank and hub and bearings, miyata seat, supertenderizer pedals) about the street unicycle I want to build, but there I still have these questions, if anybody can help:

  1. Which Rim? I am looking at the Sun Doublewide ($79) and the Sun Mammoth ($44). I want the stronger of the two … which I presume is the Doublewide. Is that true? What do you recommend? Is there a limit to the kinds or sizes of tires that can go on each of these?

For reference:

Sun Doublewide: http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=226
Sun Mammoth: http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=227

  1. Which Tire? I have been told that the SemCycle XLW can accommodate up to a 2.6" wide tire (and I know that the actual width varies a little). However, the widest street tire I see at unicycle.com is the Kenda 26" x 2.25" street tire ($10). Is that the tire you would recommend from the ones they have there? There is also a Continental Top Touring 26" x 1.75" tire ($35), and the IRC Metro Duro touring tire that comes in 26" x 2.0" and inflates to 85 psi ($15). I want to sort of avoid getting a tire that isn’t available from unicycle.com … OR if I do, I still want to have one come on the one I order so that I can ride it while I decided if I want to do something else.

For reference:

Kenda street tire http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=288
Continental Top Touring tire http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=279
IRC Metro Duro touring tire: http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=284

Thanks for any help! I probably won’t order until April or so, so plenty of time to tear up my United Trainer (thanks to Chris for fixing it for me) until then.

Lewis

Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

Lewis,

I have the Semcycle XLW 26" with the IRC Metro Duro. It’s a very nice tire.
The compound is soft and grips well.

Doug Massey
200+lbs

“Animation” <Animation.1cwfa@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote in message
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>
> All,
>
> I have decided on a few things (SemCycle XLW, 26" wheel, profile crank
> and hub and bearings, miyata seat, supertenderizer pedals) about the
> street unicycle I want to build, but there I still have these questions,
> if anybody can help:
>
> 1) Which Rim? I am looking at the Sun Doublewide ($79) and the Sun
> Mammoth ($44). I want the stronger of the two … which I presume is the
> Doublewide. Is that true? What do you recommend? Is there a limit to the
> kinds or sizes of tires that can go on each of these?
>
>
> For reference:
>
>
> Sun Doublewide: http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=226
> Sun Mammoth: http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=227
>
>
> 2) Which Tire? I have been told that the SemCycle XLW can accommodate up
> to a 2.6" wide tire (and I know that the actual width varies a little).
> However, the widest street tire I see at unicycle.com is the Kenda 26" x
> 2.25" street tire ($10). Is that the tire you would recommend from the
> ones they have there? There is also a Continental Top Touring 26" x
> 1.75" tire ($35), and the IRC Metro Duro touring tire that comes in 26"
> x 2.0" and inflates to 85 psi ($15). I want to sort of avoid getting a
> tire that isn’t available from unicycle.com … OR if I do, I still want
> to have one come on the one I order so that I can ride it while I
> decided if I want to do something else.
>
>
> For reference:
>
>
> Kenda street tire http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=288
> Continental Top Touring tire
> http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=279
> IRC Metro Duro touring tire:
> http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=284
>
>
> Thanks for any help! I probably won’t order until April or so, so plenty
> of time to tear up my United Trainer (thanks to Chris for fixing it for
> me) until then.
>
> Lewis
>
>
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>
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> lewis@lwb.org
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re. Rim choice
The Sun Doublewide is too wide for a street tire. Sun recommends a minimum 2.35" tire with that rim. I don’t know how wide the Mammoth is, but it is probably a better fit for a street tire in the 2" range. The Mammoth is a strong rim.

re. Tire choice
I have not ridden a uni with a 26x2 street tire so I can’t give any recommendations based on experience. However, I would stick to tires that are 2" or wider. I test rode a cruiser bike that had the 2.1" Ritchey Moby Bite tire and it felt like it would be a good unicycle tire. It has the balloon tire feel to it (much like the Coker tire) so it would do well on bumpy sidewalks and rough pavement.

john_childs

Do you really think you need a profile hub for this unicycle? The people who break Suzue hubs are going off multiple three foot plus drops. I went off four foot drops on my Pashley, and only had crank problems. With short steel cranks, I doubt you will have problems unless you get in to serious street trials, which you could just do on your hunter. Also, the profile hub and cranks do add some weight.

Ben

Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

Unicycle.com shows the Mammoth as 2.0 inches wide. When I first got my
uni it had a 2.125 Kenda on it, and rode very nicely. The sidewall ended
up bulging from overinflating it, though, so I got an IRC Metro Duro
26x1.5. I wanted the 2.0 but ended up with the skinnier one and never
bothered to exchange it. Great tire, and IRC says it’s designed to hold up
to urban street hazards. It’s rated at a high PSI too (my 1.5 is rated to
100psi) so those of us in the 200+ club can crank it up so we’re not
scraping the rim on the ground.

john_childs <john_childs.1drfz@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote in
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>
> re. Rim choice
> The Sun Doublewide is too wide for a street tire. Sun recommends a
> minimum 2.35" tire with that rim. I don’t know how wide the Mammoth is,
> but it is probably a better fit for a street tire in the 2" range. The
> Mammoth is a strong rim.
>
> re. Tire choice
> I have not ridden a uni with a 26x2 street tire so I can’t give any
> recommendations based on experience. However, I would stick to tires
> that are 2" or wider. I test rode a cruiser bike that had the 2.1"
> Ritchey Moby Bite tire and it felt like it would be a good unicycle
> tire. It has the balloon tire feel to it (much like the Coker tire) so
> it would do well on bumpy sidewalks and rough pavement.
>
> john_childs
>
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Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

I have a Sem XLW with 24" wheel. I am considering upgrading to a 26", which will fit the frame, but was wondering if a 700c would fit.

Re: Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

That’s a 3" difference. The pic’s I’v seen of the frame says no. Might as well pick this up:

28" XLW

Christopher

I just measured the distance from the bottom of the crown to the center of the axle on my Semcycle 24 inch XLW. I came up with 13.75 iches. I then measured the 700c on the front of my track bike. I came up with 13.5 inches with a 700x25mm tire. So… you could run a 700c, but you’d be limited to probably no bigger than a 28mm tire, which would be OK for road riding, but I wouldn’t hop stairs on it. That 28 inch frame does look tempting, but for road riding with short cranks, I’d need a 400mm seat post for my Miyata saddle.
Joe in Iowa

Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

<I’d need a 400mm seatpost for my Miyata saddle.>

I’ve had Tommy at the Unicycle Factory make custom seatposts for me. His prices
are very reasonable, and he is fast.

David Maxfield
Bainbridge Island, WA

Re: Help me build a tough street unicycle

Joe,
Thanks for posting that info. I was just about to ask if I could fit a
700c wheel in a Sem XL frame.
How tall are you that you need a 400mm post?

Off topic: do you regularly ride your track bike? I’m thinking of taking
my unicycle to the velodrome this summer to see if I can ride. I also
want to try to ride the track bike backwards.

Jeff

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:09:39 -0600 Mojoe
<Mojoe.1ewvm@expired.totalnic.net> writes:
>
> I just measured the distance from the bottom of the crown to the
> center
> of the axle on my Semcycle 24 inch XLW. I came up with 13.75 iches.
> I
> then measured the 700c on the front of my track bike. I came up
> with
> 13.5 inches with a 700x25mm tire. So… you could run a 700c, but
> you’d
> be limited to probably no bigger than a 28mm tire, which would be OK
> for
> road riding, but I wouldn’t hop stairs on it. That 28 inch frame
> does
> look tempting, but for road riding with short cranks, I’d need a
> 400mm
> seat post for my Miyata saddle.
> Joe in Iowa
>
>
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>

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If you do get the larger XLW frame, the neck may be just as long as the shorter frame- calling for a shorter seat post than you are used to, or the same size with shorter cranks… (JMT)

Christopher

Jeff, I’m only six foot, but with the stock 150mm cranks on the Sem, I had the post to the minimum insertion line for road riding. Off road I would lower it a bit so it was usually no problem. I now have 170’s on, so I lowered it some more. If I were to build a street 28 incher, I’d go with 125’s or maybe shorter.

I’ve had the track bike for over two years as my main road bike/commute machine. I love fixed gear bikes and I’ve had a bunch. I tried last summer to ride backwards on it, but I could never get the hang of it. On the other hand, I can sit up no handed and track-stand all day, but I can’t yet idle my unicycle.

Joe