Guinness records?

Recently I was looking through my 1990 copy of The Guinness Book of Records when something looked odd. I also have (well my sons do) the 1999 and 2001 editions so I looked in them ‘cause something was bugging me. I’ll reproduce the questionable entries here:

Notice the discrepancies with the distances and dates? I knew there was something wrong, anyone know the truth?

The 1990 ‘Unicycles – Endurance’ entry continued with this:

There is also a picture. Does anyone know them? Are they still riding?

And finally a 1990 entry with a name you may know.

Gary

RE: Guinness records?

> Notice the discrepancies with the distances and dates? I knew
> there was something wrong, anyone know the truth?

The discrepancies are not with the distances and dates, which I believe are
accurate, but with the titles on the various records. Why are the two
“longest rides” shorter than the “endurance” ride? A good example of the
intermittent consistency of Guinness. I remember both cross-USA rides. The
Japanese boy used a chain-driven big wheel for at least part of his ride!

Guinness needs a more consistent way of listing these amazing rides.

> There is also a picture. Does anyone know them? Are they still riding?

Michel Arets was at the last three UNICONs, but I don’t know much about him.
Definitely still riding though!

> Sprint - The sprint record from a standing start over 100
> metres is 13.71 sec by John Foss of Westbury, New York,
> USA, in Tokyo, Japan on 1 Aug 1987.

They were very thorough on their fact-checking with this record, getting the
numbers from the JUA or IUF, and confirming them multiple times with me.
However in the 1992 USA book, they forgot to take my record out when they
put Peter Rosendahl’s (faster) record in. So I got an extra “free” year in
the Guinness book!

John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com <http://www.unicycling.com>

“This unicycle is made all from lightweight materials. But it uses a lot of
them.” – Cliff Cordy, describing the very heavy new prototype unicycle he
brought on the Downieville Downhill

hmmm

What wheel size was the 100 meter sprint record attained with? Today, I timed myself on my 20" wheel, and did a 100 meter in 21.73 seconds, and i don’t think i could have gone barely any faster, except maybe a second or less, I also rode a quarter mile on my 20" in 1’39.57" And that too seemed EXTREMELY fast, as my pedals were moving ridiculously quickly. Do other people have records for 20" that they could post? I would like to compare my times for sure with others, to perhaps improve. If i get a better/bigger uni, then I will for sure do more.

Re: Guinness records?

unicus wrote:

>>Mike Day, 21 of Manchester and Michel Arets, (b.9 Sep 1959)

>

> There is also a picture. Does anyone know them? Are they still riding?

Michel was at BUC9 in Kidderminster. He lives in Belgium.

Regards,
Mark.

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RE: Guinness records?

> What wheel size was the 100 meter sprint record attained
> with?

Both mine and Peter Rosendahl’s records were done on 24" Miyata Deluxes with
Miyata blue/white tires and 125/127mm Sugino “IDOL” crank arms. Those tires
are a little bit smaller than 24".

My record was set in Edogawa, Tokyo at UNICON III in 1987, in a special race
for the Guinness Book. It was done separately from the 100m competition race
for UNICON ranking. We ran the Guinness race about 10 times, to get multiple
samples and because of some problems with the electronic timing equipment.
Shigero Koike and I turned out to have exactly the same top speed that day,
and each of those runs was determined in the first 20 meters of acceleration
(not counting any dismounts). He won some of the runs, but I won the fastest
one.

Peter Rosendahl’s record was a standalone event, outside of a unicycling
competition. It was done as part of a promotion (grand opening?) of a water
park in Las Vegas. Because it was a big publicity event, there was strong
determination that the existing record would fall (I forget what year this
was, but my record had already been broken by racers in Japan, though
apparently not under conditions to interest the Guinness people). Peter told
me he had a personal trainer to help him prepare, he ate a special diet, and
studied videos of his progress. They were very serious about it. Peter was
already an athlete, with experience as a performance stunt man, and martial
arts training. He was a professional performer, and worked for several years
at Circus Circus in Las Vegas, even having his image imprinted (with his
lateral zig-zag giraffe) on countless thousands of coin cups there. He had
also been in pursuit of the 100 meter record since at least 1982, during
which he beat the old Guinness record (of 14.89 seconds), though from a
flying start. I have a video of this. On that record, he worked hard to earn
his place in the Guinness Book.

Today, according to Jack Halpern, the 100 meter record is somewhere in the
high elevens, though probably with shorter cranks. In Japan they have (or
had) a racing category with no crank limitations.

> Do other people have records for 20" that they could post?

This page:
http://www.unicycling.org/usa/competition/records/
includes some 20" records, but only by kids. Everything up to the 9-10 age
group is 20" max. wheel. 0-12 is 24". Records in the Slow Race events may
have been set on any size wheel.

The Unicycling Society of America offered the full range of races for all
ages on both 20" and 24" up until 1979. Results of all this racing can be
found in back issues of the USA Newsletter, available here:
http://www.unicycling.org/usa/merchandise/#publications

Note that Jevonn Green, a 9 or 10 year old from Detroit, did the 100 meters
in 20.07 in 1990. In 1993, Susan Norris of Ohio, also 9 or 10, did it in
19.40. I think this race has been done in the seventeens or so, maybe
eighteen seconds, by older riders.

> or less, I also rode a quarter mile on my 20" in 1’39.57"
> And that too seemed EXTREMELY fast, as my pedals were
> moving ridiculously quickly.

Yes it is, in part because a 20" is just not an efficient speed vehicle! The
“kids” 400m record is 1:32.01. You’re not far off!

Note: all of the above 20" records are USA-only (set at USA competitions).
When not equal, world records will tend to be faster.

Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
2002 NAUCC and UNICON Referee
jfoss@unicycling.com

Go to NAUCC and UNICON 2002! www.nwcue.org

Ah, I had no idea that I could be even close, so what if they are just “kids” i’m only 16, that still counts as a kid, right? :slight_smile: I have standard everything, as in standard cranks, and nothing new cept what came on my savage. Are there any tricks involved in sprinting fast, like gliding? or wheel walking? Or is it just ridiculously fast peddling without stop?

John Foss wrote:

I’ve always trusted their accuracy and your description of their verification process with you backs this up but how can they not look at the own back catalogue of publications? Oh well.

BTW approximately how far will Lars Clausen have riden when he finishes?

Gary

Mark Wiggins wrote:

I spoke (briefly) to Michel at BUC9 but I didn’t know his surname nor did I make the connection, doh. It may have been the photo that threw me off it was taken nearly 16 years ago and the reproduction is not that good either.

Gary

Re: Guinness records?

unicus.6wizz@timelimit.unicyclist.com writes:
>John Foss wrote:
>> The discrepancies are not with the distances and dates, which I
>> believe are accurate, but with the titles on the various records. Why
>> are the two “longest rides” shorter than the “endurance” ride? A good
>> example of the intermittent consistency of Guinness.
>> …They were very thorough on their fact-checking with this record,
>> getting the numbers from the JUA or IUF, and confirming them multiple
>> times with me. However in the 1992 USA book, they forgot to take my
>> record out when they put Peter Rosendahl’s (faster) record in. So I
>> got an extra “free” year in the Guinness book!
>I’ve always trusted their accuracy and your description of their
>verification process with you backs this up but how can they not look at
>the own back catalogue of publications? Oh well.
>
>BTW approximately how far will Lars Clausen have riden when he
>finishes?
>
>Gary
Lars is aiming for 5,000 miles and hoping to raise $5 million. At this
point, it looks like he’ll actually hit the first goal, but the second
seems pretty far off, barring huge lumps of cash coming after possible
appearances on National TV as he nears the end.

His most recent post mentions that when he hits about 3,900, he’ll have
the Guiness record for longest ride. Of course, this is not in keeping
with recent Guiness policy, but Lars is a bit deaf to these sorts of
comments (my brother John has tried). John and I were talking a year ago
about setting the record, so he tried calling the GBWR office in England.
They were really disorganized and lax in getting back to him. Finally he
got a few answers. Basically a record breaking entry is supposed to break
the older record(s) in two ways. It has to be longer AND IT HAS TO INVOLVE
GREATER ENDURANCE. Here’s what this means. You can’t just go documenting a
5,000 mile ride and suddenly you have the record for longest ride – you
also have to average more miles per day than the previous record holder
did. In this case, you have to average more than 70 miles a day (if I
recall), and Lars is far from that point, even if you discount his
non-riding Sundays. I believe he’s at about 50-55 miles a day, tho I am
not sure.
Now, while Lars’s ride is impressive, it doesn’t qualify to break a
Guiness record if they abide the policy they quoted John many months ago.
Maybe they’ll change their minds if Lars gets enough publicity. But then,
I remember hearing about several rides longer than Lars’s already (Keith
Cash?), including one I think was an ungodly 12,000 miles (Foss, is this
true?).

David Stone
Co-founder, Unatics of NY
1st Sunday / 3rd Saturday
@ Central Park Bandshell
1:30 start time after 11/1/01

Mike Day is actually not from Manchester, he is from somewhere down south, Ware in Hertfordshire, I believe. He did live in Manc for a while.

Mike appeared on the young persons’ BBC television programme Blue Peter as a result of his record breaking unicycling attempt. Later he appeared on BBC’s Tomorrow’s World programme doing some juggling, I believe.

Mike does a lot of juggling these days. I don’t think he unicycles very much, but he does stay in shape, and has muttered darkly about breaking the record for unicycling backwards.

And there you have it.

Unicycling backwards? I’m hoping this means some general record for backwards riding, not doing ‘End to End’ backwards. Surely that would be best left resigned to dark mutterings. Even if you are perfect at riding backwards, there is no option but to go on major roads, which can (occasionally) be tricky enough when you can see in front of you! Interesting idea though.

For reference, the latest End to End for speed I’ve heard of was 2001, by Cambridge student Rob Ambrose, in 12 days 1hr 59mins. They got Guinness certification, but I don’t know if they made it to the book.

Does anyone know any more about this Rob’s current riding?

Sam