geared unis

Hello net unicyclists one and all! I finally am motivated to make myself known,
after lurking for, well, too long.

About me briefly: I live in Oakland CA, where the weather is currently gorgeous.
I started riding a uni at age 38, 7 years ago. My wife, bless her heart, noticed
the longing in my gaze at the uni in the bike shop, and got it for me for
Christmas. I proceeded to teach myself by trial and much error, having no source
of instruction. I’ve ridden on and off since, getting better only slowly due to
lack of practice.

I recently jumped at the chance to buy a used giraffe from a fellow nearby. I
have been practicing much more lately, and have been making rapid progress. I
can now do a curb mount on the giraffe, soon it will be a freemount!

NOTE: Anyone live in my general vicinity? Gimme a holler - let’s ride!

Anyhow, lately I have been in the process of trying to figure out whether it
would be possible to adapt a Sturmey-Archer 3-speed hub to a giraffe. (Yeah, I
guess you could say I’ve really got it bad!)

I have done some analysis of the hub, and after scratching my head for quite a
while, I don’t see how it could easily be made to work. I have heard things
mentioned here about people using geared unis, and I would like to either find
out how someone has already solved this problem, or to engage other unicyclists’
ingenuity in arriving at a workable solution.

The problem is this: to enable the ratio of crank revolutions to wheel
revolutions to be changed on the fly, yet to prevent all free-wheeling while a
gear is engaged, that is, any time except when shifting between gears. It is in
preventing freewheeling while still permitting shifting that I need help.

Here’s what I have so far. I got a used Sturmey-Archer model AW (very standard)
hub from a bike shop. I found a Glenn maintenance manual in a used bookstore
with a pictorial procedure for overhauling my exact hub. (BTW, as a kid, I used
one of these for years, so I understand exactly how it works from the user
perspective, such as when it ticks, when the pedals spin free between gears, the
order of gears, etc.).

OK, so I began taking it apart little by little, peering into holes, pulling the
chain and moving things as I went, in order to begin to understand how the thing
works from the internal perspective. To make a long story short, I now
understand how it works as designed. (Aside: it’s no wonder these hubs are
still in use around the world. I don’t think I know of another mechanism that
packs such complex function into such a relatively simple package. It is
fiendishly clever!)

>From this point on, it’s kind of technical. I originally wrote
quite a bit more, but deleted it for brevity. If anyone wants more, I
still have it.

It comes down to two problems:

    1 If we could find a way to lock the hub for one gear's power path, that
    would be great, though no better than having no gears, I guess. The
    problem is changing gears. We might find a way to lock one gear, but we
    must be able to _unlock_ it to use _other_ gears.

    2 There is quite a bit of slack movement of the driver when power
    changes from pushing to coasting. This, I think, permits the clutch to
    move easily among the three gears, and was not a problem for the
    original designers because they _wanted_ it to freewheel, and there's no
    difference from the user perspective between slack and freewheeling. But
    it's a problem for us because, even IF we can figure a way to lock and
    unlock gears to the hub, it still won't be acceptable unless we ALSO
    find a way to do it with little or no slop.

BOTTOM LINE: Does anybody know how this is done?

Thanks ever so much for reading and head scratching. To misquote W. C. Fields,
“Everybody has to believe in something: I believe I’ll have lunch”.

>> Mark

    Mark Schecter 3735 Maple Avenue Oakland, CA 94602 510-482-2094 home
    510-645-3466 work

Re: geared unis

Mark Schecter wrote:
|> whether it would be possible to adapt a Sturmey-Archer 3-speed hub to a
|> giraffe. (Yeah, I guess you could say I’ve really got it bad!)
|>
|> I have done some analysis of the hub, and after scratching my head for quite
|> a while, I don’t see how it could easily be made to work. I have heard things
|> mentioned here about people using geared

An old issue of On One Wheel has a detailed diagram of a hub designed for
geared unis – you may want to check this out. I have a feeling that there is
quite a demand out there for geared uni hubs. Maybe Mark could hand manufacture
them …?

Stay on top,

Jack Halpern IUF Vice President

Kanji Dictionary Publishing Society 1-3-502 3-Chome Niiza Niiza-shi, Saitama 352
JAPAN Voice: +81-048-481-3103 Fax: +81-048-479-1323

Re: geared unis

Thanks for writing, Jack! I’ve gotten several replies.

> An old issue of On One Wheel has a detailed diagram of a hub designed for
> geared unis – you may want to check this out.

I’ve just requested info from the USA re joining. Is On One Wheel their
publication, or is it related to IUF? Do you know which issue? And can you
please send me info about IUF?

> I have a feeling that there is quite a demand out there for geared uni hubs.
> Maybe Mark could hand manufacture them …?

If I can figure out a way to do it, and it works well, it’s possible. If you had
to guess, how many people do you think might want to try such a gizmo?

>
> Stay on top,

Ever my endeavor!

>
>
> Jack Halpern IUF Vice President
> ----------------------------------
> Kanji Dictionary Publishing Society 1-3-502 3-Chome Niiza Niiza-shi, Saitama
> 352 JAPAN Voice: +81-048-481-3103 Fax: +81-048-479-1323
>

Are you living in Japan? If so, maybe you should see about the occasional
shipment of Miyata unis into the good ol’ US?!

>> Mark

Re: geared unicycles

Dennis,

Thanks for you most interesting letter! I appreciate all the light you shed on
various attempts at changing gears. My interest to be more specific is this:

My giraffe has a 1:1 drive ratio (28:28 teeth), and a 20" wheel. As you know,
that’s great for detail work, but slow down the road. I figure to gear it
(assuming I can find a way) so that 1rst gear is equivalent to the current
ratio, i.e. 1:1, and the other two gears get successively higher. I guess, using
your figures, that that would make 3rd gear about 40% over, or equivalent to a
28" wheel. Sounds good to
me.

Jack Halpern just emailed me that he heard about an old Sturmey-Archer hub that
was designed with no freewheeling. I had heard about this from a bicycle
mechanic as well. Apparently it was built for track racing. Soon I hope to
determine the model ID so I can put out a request for info on the net. Even if I
can’t get my hands on one to own, seeing how it was done might help get me
closer to adapting the more available models.

Re: 5 speed geared unicycle built by Mark Johnson of Michigan, in On One Wheel -
could you possibly find out which issue you saw that in? I would love to at
least try to reach Mark Johnson. It sounds like he’s further down my same road.
It’s a great tip!

Thanks again for writing, and keep riding - it’s good for you!

>> Mark

.sig says, Two unicycles is better than one bicycle!