Coker Info

Late to the discussion.:o

I have a standard Coker. I upgraded the cranks and pedals. It’s been good for many rides on and off road in the 20 -30 mile bracket, and a few longer ones.

The riders in this forum are a self-selected elite: people keen enough to take their sport seriously, and ride regularly and hard. I wonder how many Cokers are sold to less serious riders.

Most unicycles sold have 20 or 24 inch wheels, and I guess that for every one that is ridden properly, 10 are ridden occasionally, and 20 are hardly ridden at all. The profit is the same for the manufacturer whether they sell one to be ridden or thrown in the shed.

I guess that Cokers would tend to be sold to people with more enthusiasm and commitment, so the ratios would be better. Maybe half or a third of them are ridden “hard”. Who knows? Aim too high with the product and you might price yourself out of the wider market.

Serious riders will always upgrade peripheral components. Seats, pedals and cranks are readily available and very much a matter of personal choice.

Where Coker Tire Co. would need to specialise would be the tire, wheel and frame. These are the unique Coker components. (It takes serious effort and commitment to source custom made wheels and frames. If Coker Tire Co. makes it easy to buy an upgrade off the shelf, I’m sure they’ll get the business.)

The heavy cheap wheel is part of the charm of the Coker - but this is making a virtue of necessity. A better wheel would be better, by definition.

Better means lighter, stronger and structurally more stable. That means an alloy rim and a wider hub (and/or a hub with deeper flanges). The present tube is heavy. Many people now stretch a 29 inch tube onto the Coker rim. A lightweight 36 inch tube would be better.

A good unicycle tire has a rounded cross section (like a motorcycle rear tire) rather than a square cross section (like a car tire). The difference it makes to the enjoyment of the ride is massive.

The tread pattern on the standard Coker tire is, er… rudimentary. It works, but there is room for a more road-friendly one, and a more aggressive off road one. An even fatter tire (3 inch section?) would be great. Unicyclists like fat tires. It’s the only suspension we have.

The frame is pretty basic. Not much can go wrong with a unicycle frame, though.

If I were trying to market Coker unicycles, I would perhaps have a “design your own” menu on the website offering 2 or possibly 3 options on most major components, and three “off the peg” models. Make the top model “to order” only, and it will increase the cachet. If you offer three, then most people will choose the middle one.:wink:

A larger wheel would be fantastic for those of us who are real enthusiasts. However, the bigger the wheel, the smaller the market. Somewhere around 42 - 45 inches would be a dream come true for most serious riders.

You could liaise with manufacturers of the geared hub to introduce an off the peg geared Coker.

The Coker unicycle is unique. However, it is the Harley Davidson of the unicycle world. Its the “real thing”, but as things stand, there are sound practical and economic arguments for a 29 inch tire, with or without a geared hub. Coker’s USP is the big wheel, and that’s the way to go.

I hope you appreciate that an Englishman has used “tire” in place of “tyre” throughout. (And through gritted teeth.).:wink:

I don’t think a bigger wheel is going to make too much difference to speed, it just starts getting more cumbersome and heavier and limits the amout of people that can ride it. 42" is probably not going to go much faster (because of the additional weight and inertia) and I think you would need to be over 5"5’ to be able to ride it, with next to no seatpost.

With geared unicycles now coming onstream, I think 42" will have a rather limited market.

I emailed to Todd at Coker Tires. This is what I got when I emailed to Todd.


Thank you for your input. I sincerely appreciate your opinions. I will post a followup on the thread soon. I cannott believe the amount of input that has been generated in just a day’s time.

All the Best,
Todd

Todd Harless
Director of Marketing

Coker Tire Co.
1317 Chestnut St.
Chattanooga, TN 37402

Thanks For The interest

Answer,
The Coker is unique and fast. It will provide you with an incredible ride whether on flat surface, grass, dirt, or technical terrain.

The basic model is perfect for anyone who will ride non aggressively and in dry conditions(rust).

Improvements,
A MORE AGGRESSIVE TIRE. It’s the only upgrade for using a Coker off road (MUni in our world) that isn’t presently available. All other Coker components are able to be easily upgraded with other manufacturers existing component upgrades.

Does Coker want to get into the component business :thinking:

These are mostly for advanced riders which there are many and many more to come(Coker Pandemic).

This will allow us Coker Nuts to achieve faster times and bigger drops with lighter unicyles while still remaining safe.

I ride 5-10 miles per day half on road and half off. Other than my tire all the other components have been upgraded.

Thanks for your interest.
I look forward to seeing some new additions to the Coker ltire line in the future.

Adam Cohen
Just One Wheel, Inc

Coker is Great Fun!

Todd, it must be evident by reading all the feedback to your questions, we have Big Fun on The Big One!

In regards to the Coker 36" Unicycle, from those of us who ride and love these wonders, please do us the favor of passing to your fellow Coker Tire Co. employees the following:

Thanks!

Thanks!

Thanks!

Thanks!

Thanks!

Thanks! Cokers are sweet!

Thanks for getting to that one Trailguy…well put, and I’m sure a sentiment shared by everyone on this thread.

This may seem like a silly thing to say about a unicycle, but the Coker has changed my life. I haven’t been riding it all that long, about 2 1/2 years, but I’m in a different and better place physically, mentally, and philosophically than I was that day my Coker arrived in the mail from unicycle.com. A lot of that transition is the result of having a whole lot of miles go by at 9-12 miles per hour.

I better stop with that…any further explanation would take me a couple pages.

Thanks to Coker from me!!!

A better Coker

Maybe keep the entry model but like everyone else I reckon the seat, wheel upgrades, cranks, pedals etc (my Coker is exactly the same as the day I bought it, but I have upgraded everything except the tyre) make a big difference, so maybe two models.
I would love to have a light offroad tire (something mild like the nanoraptor or Rollex) and I would love a 42 or 46" Coker.

As mentioned before, a larger diameter tire and wheel would be a dramatic contribution to the unicycling community. The added weight would be insignificant compared to the added benefit of higher top speed and greater stability. Unfortunately this represents a large initial investment for an already small market. That already small market becomes smaller as the wheel diameter increases.

Thanks, Coker tire company. The 36" unicycle in any form has adopted your name as its generic. Herds of Cokers abound everywhere thanks to your initial development.

Thanks to those of you who finally started chiming in on the idea of a possible larger wheel size.

My suggestion for a 42" (or so) size would be to aim it at road riders, using a narrower tire (not too narrow; minimum 1.5") and possibly smoother/lighter tread with the goal being no increase in weight, or preferrably a decrease.

I’m not sure the exact minimum rider height, but I do believe it would still include the majority of Coker fans. The idea would be to keep a 36" model in any case.

This may begin to be true if the price of a geared unicycle ever gets down to under $500US. Right now a Schlumpf runs $1500 for us Americans, is that right? Only affordable by a few very serious riders.

Plus, I’m sure a significant percentage of Coker buyers are less interested in speed than they are in the look of the bigger wheel. I’m sure many, many Cokers are used by people mainly for “showing off” purposes, just as I use my 45" wheel today. It looks cool.

Along those lines, a 42" wheel would look even cooler. The wide tire of the 36" Coker makes it almost look smaller than it really is, because it’s so thick. A 42" wheel with narrower tire would look even bigger! But enough “lobbying” for the bigger wheel… :slight_smile:

In the “thanks” department, I’d like to amplify what Gizmoduck and a few others have mentioned. The Coker unicycle has created a whole new category of unicyclist; the road or distance rider. Before Cokers, this category was limited to a very small number of very hardy individuals. Small, because the cycles were handmade and expensive. Hardy because a hard rubber tire takes a lot of the enjoyment out of any long ride!

A 36" air tire, at a very affordable price, made distance unicycling possible for anyone who wanted to make the modest investment. The word “Cokerhead” was born and people started cranking out the miles even in the first year of availability. This has gone much farther today, and I hope you folks at Coker are aware of the exploits of the many uni-tourers, aspenmike, and many others.

Before the Coker, the idea of using a unicycle to go anywhere over 10 miles was usually not taken seriously. Now I ride 8.2 miles to work, and 8.2 miles back, whenever I feel like it. Thanks for creating a whole new area of unicycling.

So what does the world need to keep that area growing? First of all there has to be an inexpensive, entry level version. This is probably more important than any refinements that may be made; don’t let the base model get expensive!

I will agree with the many riders who recommended a seat upgrade and a wider hub. Those should be possible without a big impact on production cost, I hope. And this is coming from a guy who helped design the Viscount seat. I did the drawings, but I was never crazy about the comfort level. It’s better than the old Schwinn seat, which is what it was designed to replace…

So my suggestions for higher-end components and a larger wheel would be add-ons to the original model. I don’t know what kinds of numbers you would need to justify the creation of a new tire, but I think the market for one is there, even more than it was for the original Coker in 1998. Now you already have a base group of people who know how useful these things are.

Lastly, consider this. Many owners of 36" Cokers will be tempted to upgrade if a 42" (or other larger size) comes out. Some people just want to have “the biggest” of whatever it is. Look at all those Ford Expeditions and Hummers out there!

Oops, lastly-lastly, I am reminded that you are in Tenessee. This is where the Unicycling Society of America will have its 2006 convention and North American championships (Memphis, around July 4). It would be great if you could have a presence there. You could certainly learn a lot about your market, and meet many of the people who’ve posted to this thread. It would be great to see you there!

Bit of interest in the 42" department, but there are a few problems:

  • it’s great if Coker wanted to give us extra choice, but IMHO the effort would be far better served if it they were to produce a second or even a third 36" Coker tyre- probably a lightweight and/or offroad version to complement the existing button tyre.
  • a 42" will require a new rim to be designed as well
  • a 42" is only slightly bigger than 36", and I doubt very much that it will go faster unless you reduce the weight very significantly. And that IMHO it going to be easier on the 36" than to go back to the drawing board and design a 42". Remember with a bigger wheel, you’ll probably need an even wider hub and thicker spokes and heavier rim to maintain the same stregth.
  • 42" is even bulkier for shipping than 36". if you look at how much non-US riders pay for a 36" Coker, it makes a 29" geared Schlumpf only marginally more expensive.

I just want to add to the list of verbs and nouns that have been coined because of the Coker Company. It’s now a generic term for 36" Unicycles- I don’t know anyone that rides a 36". We’re all Cokeurs or Cokernuts or Cokerheads. We go Cokering rather than 36"ing, and we Cokered up the mountain rather than rode up on our 36" Unicycles. We go Cokering rather than go on a long distance unicycle ride.

And I love my Diet Coker!

Ken

Disc: 165cm/5"5’ and owns a Schlumpf

Yes, that’s worth bearing in mind for the Coker Tire Co. marketing department.

Coker has become the generic noun for 36 inch unicycles. If Michelin brought out a 36 inch tyre, unicyclists might say, “I have a Coker with a Michelin 2.5” tyre".

How many other companies’ products have become the generic name? Hoover (for all vacuum cleaners), Coke (for all cola drinks), Walkman (a product name, not a company name). Not many others.

But Coker has moved into that elite number of companies whose products have become a verb too. How many others can I think of? Er… Hoover.

Kleenex. Zamboni.

Luckily over here in America my last name isn’t such common noun/verb as in England. We say vaccuum. There are tons of these words - Xerox is a classic Silicon Valley example. According to straightdope.com, besides Coke and Xerox:

AstroTurf, Baggies, Band-Aid, Beer Nuts, Breathalyzer, Brillo Pads, Dacron, Dumpster, Frisbee, Hi-Liter, Hula-Hoop, Jacuzzi, Jeep, Jell-O, Jockey Shorts, Kitty Litter, Kleenex, Laundromat, Liquid Paper, Magic Marker, Muzak, Novocain, Ping-Pong, Play-Doh, Popsicle, Post-it Note, Q-Tip, Realtor, Rollerblade, Scotch Tape, Scrabble, Seeing Eye (dog), Sheetrock, Slim Jim, Styrofoam, Super glue, Technicolor, Teflon, TelePrompTer, Vaseline, Velcro, and Walkman.

They suggest eponym or maybe more correctly brand eponym as the name for this type of word too.

We certaintly do use Coker this way - noun and verb. I think the simplicity of this 5 letter word has a lot to do with it. Isn’t it funny how Coke and Coker mean such different things?

—Nathan

I think the Coker frame needs to be improved. Reason: I love to ride the Coker with short cranks like 127 mm. It gives a very smooth ride but it is very hard to control the unicycle going downhill. Brakes are the solution. I have welded brake bosses on my standard Coker frame but it does not work well. The fork legs are long and they twist while pedalling so the brake pads goes against the rim when they shouldn’t. The Coker needs a firm and stable frame like the Hunter or GB frame in order for brakes to work well. Brake mounts for magura hydraulic brakes should be standard like it is on many other unicycle frames.

This would be the most needed upgrade in my point of view. I do agree with all the positive things that has been said about the Coker previously in this thread.

Wow, you have so much time on your hands!

Over here, we use Sellotape, even when it’s Scotch Tape - as a verb as well as a generic noun.

I remember in England I would always say Sellotape and when I came back to the States and asked my first grade teacher for sellotape she had no idea what I was asking for. I always thought it was spelled Cellotape though because it is made of cellophane. I find myself still saying sellotape sometimes, but whenever I need to clarify I say scotch tape.

About the Coker frame, I’m not sure it’s really what matters. I think it’s more the wheel. Here’s the sequence of upgrades I did:

8/'02: Upgrade rim to Airfoil: slight improvement in ride (but no more tacos)

11/'02: Upgrade frame to KH36: again, a slight improvement. Braking still not perfect.

5/'03: Upgrade wheel to LiveWire wide-hub “World’s Strongest Coker wheel”. HUGE difference. It feels like a big strong Muni - drops do nothing to it. Braking is smooth and there’s no rubbing on climbs.

Now at the same time I upgraded to the LiveWire wheel I also upgraded the frame to a Hunter36. But I’ve ridden other Hunter36 frames with the standard hub/Airfoil rims and they feel just like my KH36 setup - not nearly as solid, and braking is problematic.

My conclusion is that the best upgrade you can make is going to a hub/spoke combination that allows a really strong wheel to be built. I haven’t tried this, but I think that if you slightly bend a stock Coker frame to fit the wider wheel, you get just about as good of a ride as with the Hunter or other frame - although you will have to weld on the Magura mounts.

—Nathan

I would stick with that then…

It’s the opposite here, with tape.

They missed “aspirin”.

and loctite, but we digress.