Coker History?

Does anyone know how Cokers came to be? By this I mean how and why did the
Coker Tire company come to make a unicycle? What market research did they
conduct to establish that these things would sell? Which, if any, known
unicyclists did they contact for advice or assistance in terms of design and
marketability?

Any additional details would be of interest as well, such as when they first
were sold and where and even to whom were the first ones sold.

Kids want to know.

Thanks,
Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ

Why not contact the Coker Tire Company and ask them?

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>Why not contact the Coker Tire Company and ask them?

That is of course a logical suggestion, but as I am jaded from working for
large corporations all my life, I was hoping to find out this information from
the unicycling community rather than from Cokers’ PR department.

And as this definitely falls into the category of idle curiousity, I’m not
really that interested in putting out someone who may have better things to be
doing at work, but whose boss decides that they really need to respond to this
query. I’ve been there. (Not as the boss, by the way).

Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ

:slight_smile: Blaw blaw blaw blaw excuse blaw blaw balw effort blaw blaw time blaw blaw blaw… :slight_smile:

The Coker Tyre Co. is about 80 (?) Miles North of The Source (Atlanta), in Chatanooga, TN. I’ll be up there next week end Hang Gliding- I’ll ‘drop by’ and ask 'em. Not sure I’m up for climbing Lookout Mountain on the Coker… but I aim to find out!

Christopher

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>Blaw blaw blaw blaw excuse blaw blaw balw effort blaw blaw time blaw
>blaw blaw…
>
>The Coker Tyre Co. is about 80 (?) Miles North of The Source (Atlanta),
>in Chatanooga, TN. I’ll be up there next week end Hang Gliding- I’ll
>‘drop by’ and ask 'em. Not sure I’m up for climbing Lookout Mountain
>on the Coker… but I aim to find out!

Christopher,

Please do not go to any effort on my behalf. I feel certain you have better
things to do.

Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ

Sorry Johnny; guess I shouldn’t rib people I don’t know, emotacons, or no. I’d like to find out, myself- plus I’d like to take a penny farthing for a wirl. I’m sure little to nothing is actualy manufactured in Chat, but it would still be cool to check out the origin of the big tyre.

BTW: Have fun with the LBI Unithon- wish I could be there, and try to keep up.

Christopher

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I don’t know the exact history, but from what I have heard it is something like
this. The Coker tire already existed as a tire for some antique auto, a 1903
Oldsmobile or something like that. Coker then used the 36" tire to make a
monster cruiser bike. (The Coker bike is supposed to be very squirrley and the
frame is notoriously cheap - a bike shop guy I know claims you can easily fold
the frame. Sound familiar.) Guy Hanson (I think), a great unicycle rider from
Utah who has built his own unicycles for years, saw one of the bikes somewhere
(at a trade show maybe) got a hold of a wheel and built a unicycle for it. He
then had something to do with convincing Coker that there would be a market for
big wheel, air tire unicycles. The first Coker “Big One” appeared at the '98
NUC in Monrovia, CA. The quality of the unicycle and components were
disappointing, but the low price tag made them affordable and the ride produced
by the tire caused an immediate sensation.

Most of this information is anecdotal. I may be remembering things incorrectly,
but, since no one else was posting information I thought I would weigh in with
my recollections.

John Hooten

JohnnyJuggle wrote:

> Does anyone know how Cokers came to be? By this I mean how and why did the
> Coker Tire company come to make a unicycle? What market research did they
> conduct to establish that these things would sell? Which, if any, known
> unicyclists did they contact for advice or assistance in terms of design and
> marketability?
>
> Any additional details would be of interest as well, such as when they first
> were sold and where and even to whom were the first ones sold.
>
> Kids want to know.
>
> Thanks,
> Raphael Lasar
> Matawan, NJ

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johnnyjuggle@aol.com writes:
>Does anyone know how Cokers came to be? By this I mean how and why did the
>Coker Tire company come to make a unicycle? What market research did they
>conduct to establish that these things would sell? Which, if any, known
>unicyclists did they contact for advice or assistance in terms of design
>and
>marketability?
>
>Any additional details would be of interest as well, such as when they
>first
>were sold and where and even to whom were the first ones sold.
>
>Kids want to know.
>
>Thanks,
>Raphael Lasar
>Matawan, NJ

Here is a piece of the puzzle I’d bet no one else can supply, bc it’s so
quirky.

At our club one day, which meets in the park, I met a nice youngish fellow
(30s, tallow hair, nice shoes) who was sorta surprised to see a Coker. He
showed me he could ride it fairly well. The long and short of it is that,
according to him, he and his brother tried to talk the company who makes
them into manufacturing unis in add’n to their line of large-wheel bikes.
They refused his offer, then went into production on their own, using the
brothers’ ideas. The guy I met wasn’t bitter but was a bit annoyed, since
they felt they’d thought of the idea first. He was from CA and had not, I
surmise, seen a Coker unicycle anywhere else.

I shoulda gotten his name – sorry! But I hope this adds something to the
mystique of the Coker.

David

Co-founder, Unatics of NY
1st Sunday / 3rd Saturday
@ Central Park Bandshell
1:30 start time after 11/1/01

RE: Coker History?

> this. The Coker tire already existed as a tire for some
> antique auto, a 1903 Oldsmobile or something like that.

I hadn’t heard that it was a pre-existing car tire, but that makes sense.
For those not familiar with the Coker Tire Company, they specialize in rare,
unusual, and out-of-production tires. Go to most any auto museum that has
really old cars, and you’ll see Coker tires on at least one of them. Notice
you will often see the same tread pattern as on the Coker unicycle tire.
Look for white tires with that raised-oval pattern.

> monster cruiser bike. (The Coker bike is supposed to be very
> squirrley and the frame is notoriously cheap - a bike shop
> guy I know claims you can easily fold the frame. Sound familiar.)

I haven’t ridden one, but I know a guy who occasionally commutes to work on
his. I pass him on my way to work. He’s the owner of The Rest Stop, an
unusual bike shop that sells everything but bikes. He rides probably 10
miles or more each way.

(Guy Hansen)
> then had something to do with convincing Coker that there
> would be a market for big wheel, air tire unicycles.

Hmmm. You’d have a hard time convincing me of this, and I’m probably more
familiar with the so-called unicycling “market” (there’s a lot more of a
market today than there was even four years ago). But then again, Coker is
in the business to make specialty stuff, not mainstream stuff. A unicycle
makes perfect sense for them.

David Stone mentioned meeting a guy who also claimed to have presented this
idea to Coker. I wonder if he was one of the Huebner brothers? David and
Daniel Huebener made a big splash at UNICON III in Tokyo in 1987, but I
don’t think they came to any big unicycling events after that. They were
from the LA area. I’m not sure if they were both at UNICON II (Long Island),
but at least one of them was. In any case, anybody can come up with an idea
(“You should do so-in-so”). The real work is in making it a reality. I would
be very interested to hear from David Coker how the idea developed.

Either or both claimants could have had an effect on Coker’s decision to
make unicycles. They may not have decided to do it until later than the
unicyclists’ suggestions, making it look like Coker “stole” the idea. But if
the idea was to make big wheeled unicycles, that’s what they did.

> The first Coker “Big One” appeared at the '98
> NUC in Monrovia, CA.

I can’t remember the details now, but I was contacted by Coker about 6
months before this, to offer comments on the unicycle they intended to
manufacture. My main comment was to lose the Savage-type seat, which was
probably something that came with the Taiwanese frames they were using. I
can’t remember if the original production models had them, or Viscount
seats.

In addition I was concerned about the quality of the thing. Cheap parts, on
a relatively weak wheel (the larger a spoked wheel it, the generally weaker
it is) sounded like something that wouldn’t hold up well to adult use.

When I got to see and try it for real in Monrovia, I thought it was a
nice-cushy ride, though I had to pump the tire way up to get it to turn
reasonably well. Part of this was probably based on my experience with
hard-tire big wheels. Generally you ride a big wheel unicycle in straight
lines (unless you’re a performer like me). I was also concerned by the hub,
as I have mentioned here before. It appeared to be a standard unicycle hub,
which is too narrow to offer the proper side-strength to such a large wheel.

So though I was impressed with the low price of the Coker Big One, I was
dubious about how well they would hold up.

The demonstration Coker at NUC '98 was won by Gilby (who annoyingly won the
one that was raffled off in '99 as well). I think it was a few months before
more were available, at which time many people had placed their orders.

But then the Big One did two things I didn’t expect:

  1. It held up to adult use. There were some issues with bearings, and nobody
    expected it to be indestructible, but some people were starting to crank out
    thousands of miles on them and they were holding up just fine. Better than I
    expected.

  2. It created a new category of unicyclist. This category wasn’t totally
    new, but previous to the Coker there was no easy (or cheap) way to get a big
    wheel unicycle. My Tom Miller 45" actually took a year from order to
    delivery, and today would probably cost a minimum of $800. With the advent
    of a $300 big wheel, and the ability to easily order it online, people
    snapped them up and started communicating about what they were doing with
    them. A culture of Cokerheads emerged. It became clear that there was a
    percentage of unicyclists who were into pure road riding (what bicyclists
    would call “roadies”).

So the Coker Big One made a once-obscure category of unicycling available to
anyone. In the future I expect to see more Coker-specific racing, and even
some Coker, or big wheel-only unicycle events.

Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com

“If people want to truly understand mountain biking, they have to do two
other things: ride a unicycle, and master the trampoline.” – Joe Breeze,
one of the originators of mountain biking, in a conversation with Tim Bustos

The important thing to know is that the Coker unicycle was not designed to accommodate big wheel unicyclists. Coker already having the tire, found a market where more of their tires would sell. Thankfully they did because big wheel unicycling has grown by leaps and bounds as a result. Unfortunately improvements need to be made for distance unicylists to be riding on the same high-end componentry as the cyclist. We have been in need of a big-wheeled unicycle designed for big wheel unicyclists for a long time

Fortunately we are in the beginning stages of the next generation of distance unicycles. We will be riding unicycles that are faster, more efficient, and more comfortable than ever before. The surprise is that we will be doing it with a hub that enables the use of mass marketed bicycle wheels. Wheels that are light, true, and made from the material of your likening.

This will prove to be a major milestone in the evolution of the unicycle. Most importantly, we will all be able to enjoy the experience for ourselves at an affordable price

dan

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John Foss <john_foss@asinet.com> wrote:

> So the Coker Big One made a once-obscure category of unicycling available to
> anyone. In the future I expect to see more Coker-specific racing, and even
> some Coker, or big wheel-only unicycle events.

There already are coker specfic events taking place. Last August saw the
first british Cokerheads get together weekend, in the new Forest. Four of
us training for the Red Bull Mayhem in the spring had meet up for a ride
in the forest, and decided it would be nice to go back in the summer and
invite more people along. So we picked a campsite, advertised it a bit and
lo and behold ended up with a gathering of Cokerheads for a weekend of
riding on and off road to and from pubs. That weekend was notable not just
for being a cokerhead gathering but also for there being TWO coker
punctures ( the first two in the UK AFAIK) and Joe getting SOOOOO soooo
drunk on the friday night. Top tip, don’t try and kep up on the drinks
front with a chap built like alan when you are built like joe.

Sarah

Eurocycle 2002, Bremen, May 31st-June 2nd
The European Unicycle Event of the year.
http://www.eurocycle.org

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Thank you all for your input. The more I think about it the more I wish that
the unicycling community had someone like Karl-Heinz Ziethen in its midst.
He is a historian of juggling. He knows or has met and interviewed just
about every juggler of the modern era including the families of great
jugglers of the earlier part of the past century.

Now that I think about it more, I believe I will contact the Coker Tire
company and try to get their input into how Cokers came to be. (Yes some
poor slob may be saddled with my request). Some time ago on the USA forum
site I suggested that the USA sponsor the writing of a unicycling history.
This is a large undertaking, but it seems that the time is right at least to
try to document the history of the Coker. It is a recent enough development
to make researching it not too difficult. And as dan has pointed out, it
represents a milestone in the development of unicycling.

Here’s a question. The first use of the term “cokerhead” in
rec.sport.unicycling appeared on Feb 21, 2000:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%2Brec.sport.unicycling+%2Bcokerhead&start
=100&hl=en&scoring=d&selm=00f401bf7c4a%24a0ebdf20%242c00a0c0%40p333&rnum=104

Does anyone know when this term was first used, by whom and where?

Now more than just idly curious and likely to contact many of you for more
input.

Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ

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Read more of the Foss posts. (I often find it comforting to preface his [much appreciated] essays with “Back when the Unicycle was invented and you were just eating Fruit Loops and watching cartoons…”)

Realy, though- John remembers more unicycling than most of us have experienced, and is generous in sharing his recollections. I think he fits your bill. I wouldn’t consider him a Uni-Historian as much as that-guy-on-the-front-portch who flags down the young hooligans as they run past and entertains 'em with tails from yester year.

Christopher

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I wouldn’t consider him a Uni-Historian as much as
> that-guy-on-the-front-portch who flags down the young hooligans as they
> run past and entertains 'em with tails from yester year.

Of course I meant no slight (and I hope it wasn’t taken that way) to John’s
extensive knowledge on the subject of unicycling. It’s simply that Ziethen
is a deliberate historian of juggling and that is something unicycling
lacks.

I will though troll rec.sport.unicycling for John’s commentaries as well as
those of others.

Thanks,
Raphael