How is it that the only place I could find an article like this is on some small news site? Seems like pretty big news to me.
Bush issued a signing statement to a postal reform bill that allows him to read mail at his discretion. You know, to prevent my grandma from sending anthrax to everyone. It’s pretty much the same deal as wiretapping, only it’s reading mail instead.
Woohoo. I love government.
If your inocent, you have nuttin’ to hide! Now shut up and watch Fox, you durned commie!!!
But, seriously, that’s stupid. I really hate it when stuff like this happens.
Actually, though… my brother is at collage learning stuff. You know how bad that is!! Any mail I send him should be read. It could be dangerous!!
Probably because they didn’t want anybody to know!
That is HUGE news
Actually I’ve heard that several times on Fox News today.
Notice how the above article says:
So sending mail to your grandma or brother in college is obviously not an emergency condition. 'Nuff said.
It’s also up to George Bush to determine what constitutes an ‘emergency condition’.
This government is [supposed to be] based around a system of checks and balances. No single branch should have too much power. By giving the Executive branch the unchecked power to violate rights at only their discretion, the balance of power is completely rearranged. As in, it’s no longer balanced.
Wow…this really does scare me…I think bush has good intentions, but i think he goes about things in a very bad way. I agree with his ideas, his veiws, but not his methods (at least, not in this case).
Yeah. Educated sheep are awfully difficult to herd. The guv’mint likes sheep that just follow along in happy ignorance.
Wait, you’re actually still using the mail system? I bet the terrorists aren’t.
Bush is probably just trying to get free Playboy.
That sounds like something a terrorist would say!!
Boys, check his mailbox!
Yes sir Captn’!! Gladly Captn’!!!
Will they have to tell you that a mail item you receive has been previously opened by them? I have this vision of government agents sittting by the kettle secretly steaming open ads for double glazing.
Nao
Good, and why they are at it, they can remove all those credit card offers and home refinancing offers for me.
It’s easier to lead people by fear then by faith. After Bush blew up the world trade center towers (if you don’t know this by now, you should really look it up and learn), everyone was afraid of the “terrorists”. (Bush is a terrorist) We believed anything the government told us, and let them do whatever they needed to do for “our” safety. Now that the democrats are running things, it should be alittle different. Only alittle bit more until bush is gone.
-Shaun Johanneson
p.s. If you want to know more about the tower things you can ask me, or I can hook you up with the links. We lead with examples and explanations, they agrue with insults. Sad, Sad…
My respect for you just went down a very steep hill.
Well in terms with this, I won’t care. People should know this. Whether it’s my respect in question. I’ll speak up.
-Shaun Johanneson
Do you know why there’s never any rebuttals to arguments like these? It’s not because they’re such solid arguments. It’s because they’re far-fetched, and they ignore that little inconvenience called “logic”.
Yeah I suppose like logic that fire can’t melt steel. Or that Buildings don’t collapse at freefall speeds. Or that bones were found on top of other buildings in the area. Or that the building fell straight down when the planes hit a corner. Or the no remains of a plane at the pentagon. Or the CIA taking all the tapes from the cameras that were pointed at the pentagon, after the “plane” hit. Or the explosions heard through one cell phone right before the building collapse (that part is really sad, it made me cry, i’m not going to lie). Or the dust of an explosions coming from the base of the towers. Or building 7 collapse without any damage. Or the amount of debris when the buildings collapse, there would have been more if the basements were blown out. Or the “right angled” cuts in the steel frame work in pictures for the news (unchanged there guys), ummmm, that doesn’t happen unless there is an explosion, btw, the plane didn’t cause an explosion that intense to sheer all of the steel work. I can keep going, trust me. I looked up arguementive websites saying why the buildings fell because the planes. They didnt’ really have anything expect cropped out pictures of TOTALLY different places, and telling the people on the other side, they are stupid. Kinda elementary. Oh by the way, did you know those buildings were built to take a plane crashing into them. And they are the only steel frame buildings to ever fall because of fire, (Plus it was only like an hour fire, buildings have stood from more then a day long fire, interesting…) I’m outties, i love this topic so much. It’s sad what happened no doubt, that doesn’t mean we can hide ourselves from the truth.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=9%2F11+mysteries&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=Loose+Change&hl=en
Both really great, kinda say the same thing, but they are both long, so it makes sense.
-Shaun Johanneson
Yeah but a good lawyer will get you off the hook for anything that wasn’t an overuse of power. For example: You mail someone something that would incriminate you for insurance fraud. The government opens it looking for proof you are a terrorist. They charge you with insurance fraud. You almost definitely walk for anything they find not terrorism related (If you send mail linking you to terrorism, you deserve to go to jail for being a terrorist and an idiot).
So its not like they can just open all mail and arrest people for anything illegal therein. They are not going to open mail to read gossip either. So its not like they are just using their discretion (“Abdur Rahim-Muhhamed…better open it”). I’m sure they must be able to demonstrate probable cause or a clear and present danger, otherwise no information gained from opening the mail would work in court. Americans are “protected in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures” (4th amendment) meaning a cop can’t search your house or pockets without consent. But exceptions have been made. Your pockets can be searched if you smell like weed (probable cause), and your house can be entered if someone is screaming inside (clear and present danger). So if there is something that suggests that you are a terrorist, and that is strong enough PC, they can search. Likewise if you pose a threat to someone. Its just a slight expansion on existing exceptions. The Supreme Court (a check on the executive branch) has already ruled that such searches of house and person are not unreasonable (the only right you have is that all searches be reasonable, not that they don’t occur), it seems logical that such searches of mail wouldn’t be either in some cases. I expect someone to take the government to the Supreme Court for opening mail, claiming that it is unconstitutional and I expect that they will lose.