Koxx one, aka tryall, aka k24 house has a mod tire already.
I’m for the idea though.
Any compatiblity isues of the new hex bolt saddles and other saddle hardware (such as seatposts?)
The new hubs look great. What would be also be handy in the same style is a completely oversized hub (i.e. equivalent in diameter to a Schlumpf) for use on single speed 36. The standard size narrow hub is lacking on the 36, imo anyway, especially notice it when swapping back and forth from a single speed to GUNI. Plus.. oversized hubs like that would look crazy! 
The wider 29 rim sounds sweet. That and a new hub will make a cool upgrade for my 29er.
The seat improvements sound good too, will be clearer I guess what you mean by all the shape changes when more pics etc are available. No more carriage bolts and dome nuts, nice! Will be handy to be able to tighten everything on the uni with Allen key set when out and about.
With the stiffener plate fitted to the new plastic seat how you would you say it compares to the carbon fibre seat for rigidity?
My home made handlebar mounts under the seat also but atm requires a CF seat base for acceptable rigidity. Love the CF base! It will be great to have the option of using the new plastic seat with the stiffener plate.
The only thing that doesn’t really appeal to me atm is the handle. I’m not sure what I was expecting, I guess something with roots in off road riding, in form and function.
It was great to wake up this morning and read about the new KH goodies, thanks!
I guess I must admit it in public: these regular posts from you Kris are my preferred posts on RSU over the whole year!
I’m a definitive customer for the new Fusion seat, as well as the reinforcement plate => I can’t wait testing that!
The new (1-speed) hubs look great as well! I’ll buy the new CrMo one anytime I’ll need to build a new wheel.
One question about weight deltas though:
I’m just wondering what is the reference in these weight comparisons, e.g.: is the new CrMo version 32g lighter than the previous CrMo version, or is it lighter than the Ti version?
I would have voted for the former, but your “In practical terms the weights are the same” makes me have doubts: here again, I guess you are comparing the 2 CrMo versions together, or the 2 Ti versions together - but NOT the new CrMo version with the new Ti version, right???
Could you please confirm, because I’m sure I’m not the only person to be confused here?
Concerning the T-bar touring handle, you are leaving me with no other real choice than buying it.
Even though I will have to set it up such a way that my “upper side brake lever position” can work (see attached picture - a bit old, but the principle remains…) - I would not want to change that!
I guess that my care will have to focus onto choosing the proper bar-end extenders (especially for their straightness and section size), in order to fit the brake level onto the left-hand side extender.
It is made of CrMo right - not aluminium? Or am I just wrong?
Last but not least => the new KH/Schlumpf hub… improvements sound good! Probably anyway nothing major to expect at that level before another couple of years or so???
I’ve actually been waiting for buying this hub since it was out… and think I will eventually buy one this Fall - if not, then it’ll be Spring next year! Patience is the key… 
Well… thanks again Kris for the great great work done so far and this time again!
Bye, MadC.
Hi,
To answer some questions:
Spoke lengths are the same on the hubs.
2009 Hub Weights:
Moment CrMo: 606 g
MomenTi titanium: 444 g
The touring handle is 6061 aluminum.
No compatibility issues I know of for the bolts in the saddle frames - they are just 4mm dome head hex bolts (the T-bar uses 5 mm dome head bolts so it can be tightened more). With this change and using Trailmix pedals that have a hex bolt option to tighten, the only tool you need to adjust component tightness while on a ride is a hex set.
Kris
Can’t wait to try the handle Kris.
And the Ti hub too!
Hopefully that will solve the crank issues, I would have guessed it would have needed to be more than 2mm longer on each side.
Something else I forgot to ask earlier: The “stronger bearings” are the same bearings that were shipped out after the recall right? From what I remember, the recall beefed up the bearings and the planet carrier, but does this latest batch have even stronger bearings than what was sent out in December?
Yes the bearings are the same dimension as those shipped since December. To be more clear, individual inspection of bearing quality has been implemented and some spacers inside the hub were adjusted to reduce play in the direction of the spindle, which should increase bearing strength.
Kris
kris,
I am very glad to hear about the improvments on the seat and hub, they are much needed.
I have also had a problem with handles cracking over time, and with the fins on the inside breaking and cutting my fingers, i would be more than willing to sacrifice that few g of weight it would take to fill in the fins as well as the hole in the top.
I also would like to know if the 13 ga. spokes will be kept available for those of us who have a setup “requiring” them, or at least leave us able to special order them.
EDIT: one more thing, it seems that a better handle design would have been in order along with the production of the seat so that you would have a clean pallet to work with in the development of such a handle.
the new saddles look awsome kris, ive been waiting for new nuts like that for ages.
so is bthis new stiffner doing away with CF bases, as the hex nuts (if thats what theyre called) wont screw into the CF.
Also is the new stiffner going to be as strong as the CF bases
thanks
simonb
That’s what I’m wondering also I was planing on getting a CF and now I want the new fusion seat. And its looking like that won’t be compatible with a CF base. I want to see what the street saddle looks like.
I recently received my KH/Schlumpf hub last month (ordered back in November). It should be one of the “improved” hubs right? I’d assume so but want to be sure. As I’ve never had a hub like this, is there a way to tell by inspection?
Right now the 13g spokes should be readily available as most UDC’s have them in stock.
Keeping existing bolt pattern standards to attach the front handle was a priority so I don’t think improving the front handle later will make much difference.
Cheers,
Kris
Wow the new line up sounds awesome! I can’t wait to see some pictures of this stuff. The saddles sound pretty good too, I’ll add those to the list 
It doesn’t do away with the CF base - either the UDC version or the super premium Scott Wallis versions are very good. If you want the lightest possible saddle and are willing to pay for it, then CF is still a very good way to go. The new Fusion saddles just make the choice more about weight than strength. Using the UDC base will just now require getting separate bolts, which you can get anywhere.
They haven’t been out long enough to really compare the ultimate strength of the new base to a CF base; all I can say is that it is much stronger than the original KH base, stiff enough for most people without the external reinforcement plate, and completely stiff at the front with the reinforcement plate (except that you still feel some flex with it, not from the base but because the front handle itself has some stretch).
Like the current saddles, the removable cover means that if you don’t like the foam shape you can always modify it.
Saddle weights:
Fusion Freeride: 854g (2008); 816g(2009)
Fusion Street: 786 (2008); 774g (2009)
Kris
Kris, as for the 40x22mm bearings, is the ‘shim’ or shaft ring around the two smaller bearings a solid pressfit? As in, is there a lot of pressure keeping them together? This is 'cos I’ll be having to pressure fit them inside Miyata lollipop holders, I wouldn’t really want the shim and the individual bearing cartridges shifting about during installation, haha.
In any case, have you checked out the possibility of using the 22mm ID bearings found on BMX ‘Mid’ Bottom Brackets? I heard that the OD was 40mm or 40.5mm, and the ID can either be 19 or 22mm (this part is absolutely definite).
I’m guessing you came across this option at some point or other during R&D for your hubs. Or not? If so, did you find that this wouldn’t actually fit or something?
It’s not hugely significant, I mean I could use your ‘constructed’ 40x22mm bearings, but the possibility of having a complete one-piece bearing in this size is even more exciting for us 40mm bearing users!
Regarding the Titanium Moment hub, am I right in deducing that this new aluminium flanged hub with Ti-spindle worked out to be cheaper to manufacture than a complete one-piece welded titanium hub as of 2008? From what I remember off the top of my head, the Titanium welded Moment hub cost somewhere around 500 USD, didn’t it? It might’ve been mentioned elsewhere, but what’s the new price for the new Moment titanium hub?
Thanks!
You can’t tell from the outside. Basically Florian has been working really, really hard to iron out the early wrinkles in the hub; yours should have the larger bearings but the switch in internal spacers and longer axle is new.
Kris
The pressfit is as solid as it can be and not compress the bearings; best is to include spacers on the outside and then it won’t move. Retail prices on hubs have yet to be worked out; will happen once they are in stock. The first order was fairly small for the Ti hubs so they may be scarce in some countries.
A note about the '08 Ti hubs. If you really want to have a 100% everything titanium hub this is the last chance to get one since the new ones have aluminum flanges as noted.
Kris
Handle Attachment
“The touring handle only fits the 2009 saddle because it needs longer bolts to attach it.”
Kris. Is it possible to take apart an existing Fusion seat and add longer carrage bolts so that the new handle and plate could be attached without having to purchase a new seat? Not that I couldn’t use the old seat on another uni
I think you could; you might need to slightly grind down the ridges on the underside of the forward part of the saddle between the front handle and the seatpost.
I’m not sure how the flex would be since I never tried it. On the new saddle, it contains a reinforcement plate that was positioned to be in tension or compression rather than flexion - to form a bridging effect over the top surface of the saddle. This is a more weight efficient use of the advantages of the plate. As such it contains little hooks on each end of the plate (hard to describe) to stop the saddle frame from moving under the plate during compression and tension stress. That’s not on the original saddle so you might see a bit more flex.
Kris