Wwsi

Hello to members of this forum.

My attention has been drawn to postings in this forum relating to World Webserver Inc (WWSI). I understand that there has been mention of my webpage, where I outline my own experiences in dealing with WWSI, at www.lexscripta.com/wwsi/.

John Dye describes this as a “hate site”. I have never met Mr Dye, and I have had no dealing with him expect in relation to WWSI. I have no personal grudge against the man, despite the vulgar abuse which he has levelled at me. If the family problems which he has mentioned are true, then I am genuinely sorry for him. But that has nothing to do with the fact that the collapse of his company has caused a lot of people a lot of financial hardship.

Mr Dye has said many things, in this forum and elsewhere, to “distance” himself from the collapse of WWSI. But every email which I received from WWSI prior to its collapse was signed by John Dye; a “who is” search revealed that the sites were registered in his name; and he was the “President” of the company. Whether the collapse of WWSI was due to technical incompetence, financial mismanagement, or (as has been suggested) the impact of “hackers” rendering their harware inoperable - an explanation which I, for one, find very difficult to fathom - the buck plainly stops with the man in charge.

My only purpose in creating and updating my WWSI page is to warn other consumers of the risks involved in entrusting their money, their efforts, and their web presence, to any business associated with Mr Dye or his ex-partner, Joe Allesch.

I have read both Mr Dye’s and Mr Allesch’s explanations of what went wrong, and what happened to people’s money. I have no way of knowing which (if either) of them is telling the truth. But the simple fact is that a lot of people lost their money as a result of putting their faith in John Dye and Joe Allesch.

I am one of the lucky ones, who can afford the loss. My main concern is for people who could ill-afford to throw $50 or $70 per website down the toilet, as they did by dealing with WWSI. My hope is to ensure that no business connected with Mr Dye or Mr Allesch is ever again able to defraud me, or anyone else, in the way that we were defrauded through WWSI.

Amongst a great deal of correspondence which I have had with Mr Dye, Mr Allesch and others in relation to WWSI, I have received threats of lawsuits for libel or slander. I am not concerned by these threats, for three reasons: everything contained on my WWSI page is factually accurate, and I have retained the emails and other documentation to prove it; I am a lawyer (and, as it happens, a specialist in defamation law) so I know that I am within my legal rights; and I am located in Australia, which would make it very hard for them to sue me, even if they had a legal basis for doing so.

If anyone else wants to add information to my WWSI page as a warning to consumers, they are welcome to email the information to me and I will post it, either with the person’s name or, if he/she prefers, anonymously. Please understand, however, that I am only interested in posting factual and verifiable information - not hearsay or gossip, and not personal abuse.

I appreciate that this discussion is of no interest to many members of this forum, and to such members I apologise for wasting your time and bandwidth. But it plainly is of interest to some members of this forum, and I invite those members to assist me in ensuring that what John Dye and Joe Allesch did to us cannot easily be done again to anyone else.

Kind regards to all,
Tony Morris
morrisqc@lexscripta.com

Re: Wwsi

Mr. Morris,

As stated here earlier, and in email messages, I did not have access to any
bank accounts. A message posted here by Joe Allesch confirmed that.

Somewhere, somehow, all of the money deposited into Joe’s merchant bank
account has mysteriously disappeared and now he claims a $4000 debt.

In the last 2 years I have received less than $10,000 for my efforts, while
depositing over $50,000 into said merchant account. WWSI expenses were less
than $700 monthly, this included hosting fees and payments to OpenSRS for
each domain we registered.

Do the math:

$700 x 24 months = $16,800
Payments made to me = $9,800

That leaves a total of around $25,000 that is missing. This does not
include the numerous orders that were paid via check, money order, and
paypal.

In addition, Joe Allesch is a flat out liar. You claim on your website that
Joe claimed to have 30,000 clients. When I asked him about this he denied
even saying it, and claimed that you were a liar.

Now Joe has changed all of the passwords for the numerous domains that WWSI
owned, placed ownership of all of them in my name, listed an email address
that I do not own as the administrative contact, and refuses to give me
access to the OpenSRS system so that I can help other former WWSI clients
manage their domain names. He has also denied me access to even the domain
records for WWSI, which he placed in my name. So I can’t even place an
explanation page in WWSI’s place, with a link to a reputable company that
would be glad to take on the former WWSI clients.

Apparently, Joe is mad because I refuse to work unpaid any longer, and is
now busy directing the blame towards me.

I have never signed any articles of incorporation with WWSI. Joe may have
put my name on the documents, and perhaps forged my signature, but I am not,
nor have I ever been, a corporate officer. Nor have I ever received any
stock or dividend from WWSI. All payments made to me were in the form of
payments to independent contractor. Otherwise I would have been an employee
of WWSI and entitled to much more than I received.

WWSI was my idea and my life for the last 4 years - and I trusted someone I
had no business trusting. It is not the first time a cheat and a liar has
taken unfair advantage of me in a business situation.

I still believe that those who paid WWSI via credit card can still challenge
the charges. Joe is very upset about this because the WWSI merchant account
is directly connected to his credit, and they will come after him for the
money, as they should. I will assist anyone who attempts to make this
challenge.

In the meantime I am filing a dispute with OpenSRS in order to get them to
grant me access to the WWSI RSP account, so that I can assist those who got
screwed over, in moving their domains and renewing them with another domain
registrar.

As for my rude comments towards you, those were made only after I viewed
your website that claimed I had disappeared - a claim Joe Allesch made to
you even though I had been in email and telephone contact with him the
entire time. I apologize for the offense.

Regards,

John Dye

morrisqc <morrisqc.245fz@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote in message
news:morrisqc.245fz@timelimit.unicyclist.com
>
> Hello to members of this forum.
>
> My attention has been drawn to postings in this forum relating to World
> Webserver Inc (WWSI). I understand that there has been mention of my
> webpage, where I outline my own experiences in dealing with WWSI, at
> ‘www.lexscripta.com/wwsi/’ (http://www.lexscripta.com/wwsi/).
>
> John Dye describes this as a “hate site”. I have never met Mr Dye, and I
> have had no dealing with him expect in relation to WWSI. I have no
> personal grudge against the man, despite the vulgar abuse which he has
> levelled at me. If the family problems which he has mentioned are true,
> then I am genuinely sorry for him. But that has nothing to do with the
> fact that the collapse of his company has caused a lot of people a lot
> of financial hardship.
>
> Mr Dye has said many things, in this forum and elsewhere, to “distance”
> himself from the collapse of WWSI. But every email which I received from
> WWSI prior to its collapse was signed by John Dye; a “who is” search
> revealed that the sites were registered in his name; and he was the
> “President” of the company. Whether the collapse of WWSI was due to
> technical incompetence, financial mismanagement, or (as has been
> suggested) the impact of “hackers” rendering their harware inoperable -
> an explanation which I, for one, find very difficult to fathom - the
> buck plainly stops with the man in charge.
>
> My only purpose in creating and updating my WWSI page is to warn other
> consumers of the risks involved in entrusting their money, their
> efforts, and their web presence, to any business associated with Mr Dye
> or his ex-partner, Joe Allesch.
>
> I have read both Mr Dye’s and Mr Allesch’s explanations of what went
> wrong, and what happened to people’s money. I have no way of knowing
> which (if either) of them is telling the truth. But the simple fact is
> that a lot of people lost their money as a result of putting their faith
> in John Dye and Joe Allesch.
>
> I am one of the lucky ones, who can afford the loss. My main concern is
> for people who could ill-afford to throw $50 or $70 per website down the
> toilet, as they did by dealing with WWSI. My hope is to ensure that no
> business connected with Mr Dye or Mr Allesch is ever again able to
> defraud me, or anyone else, in the way that we were defrauded through
> WWSI.
>
> Amongst a great deal of correspondence which I have had with Mr Dye, Mr
> Allesch and others in relation to WWSI, I have received threats of
> lawsuits for libel or slander. I am not concerned by these threats, for
> three reasons: everything contained on my WWSI page is factually
> accurate, and I have retained the emails and other documentation to
> prove it; I am a lawyer (and, as it happens, a specialist in defamation
> law) so I know that I am within my legal rights; and I am located in
> Australia, which would make it very hard for them to sue me, even if
> they had a legal basis for doing so.
>
> If anyone else wants to add information to my WWSI page as a warning to
> consumers, they are welcome to email the information to me and I will
> post it, either with the person’s name or, if he/she prefers,
> anonymously. Please understand, however, that I am only interested in
> posting factual and verifiable information - not hearsay or gossip, and
> not personal abuse.
>
> I appreciate that this discussion is of no interest to many members of
> this forum, and to such members I apologise for wasting your time and
> bandwidth. But it plainly is of interest to some members of this forum,
> and I invite those members to assist me in ensuring that what John Dye
> and Joe Allesch did to us cannot easily be done again to anyone else.
>
> Kind regards to all,
> Tony Morris
> morrisqc@lexscripta.com
>
>
> –
> morrisqc
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> morrisqc’s Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/741
> View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/17098
>

Re: Wwsi

One more thing. I have never once claimed to be defamed by you, or
threatened lawsuit. Please confirm this for others so that they know the
truth about that issue.

JD

JD <johnny_dye@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:a7rgf6$5u2$1@www.t-shirtcountdown.com
> Mr. Morris,
>
> As stated here earlier, and in email messages, I did not have access to
any
> bank accounts. A message posted here by Joe Allesch confirmed that.
>
> Somewhere, somehow, all of the money deposited into Joe’s merchant bank
> account has mysteriously disappeared and now he claims a $4000 debt.
>
> In the last 2 years I have received less than $10,000 for my efforts,
while
> depositing over $50,000 into said merchant account. WWSI expenses were
less
> than $700 monthly, this included hosting fees and payments to OpenSRS for
> each domain we registered.
>
> Do the math:
>
> $700 x 24 months = $16,800
> Payments made to me = $9,800
>
> That leaves a total of around $25,000 that is missing. This does not
> include the numerous orders that were paid via check, money order, and
> paypal.
>
> In addition, Joe Allesch is a flat out liar. You claim on your website
that
> Joe claimed to have 30,000 clients. When I asked him about this he denied
> even saying it, and claimed that you were a liar.
>
> Now Joe has changed all of the passwords for the numerous domains that
WWSI
> owned, placed ownership of all of them in my name, listed an email address
> that I do not own as the administrative contact, and refuses to give me
> access to the OpenSRS system so that I can help other former WWSI clients
> manage their domain names. He has also denied me access to even the
domain
> records for WWSI, which he placed in my name. So I can’t even place an
> explanation page in WWSI’s place, with a link to a reputable company that
> would be glad to take on the former WWSI clients.
>
> Apparently, Joe is mad because I refuse to work unpaid any longer, and is
> now busy directing the blame towards me.
>
> I have never signed any articles of incorporation with WWSI. Joe may have
> put my name on the documents, and perhaps forged my signature, but I am
not,
> nor have I ever been, a corporate officer. Nor have I ever received any
> stock or dividend from WWSI. All payments made to me were in the form of
> payments to independent contractor. Otherwise I would have been an
employee
> of WWSI and entitled to much more than I received.
>
> WWSI was my idea and my life for the last 4 years - and I trusted someone
I
> had no business trusting. It is not the first time a cheat and a liar has
> taken unfair advantage of me in a business situation.
>
> I still believe that those who paid WWSI via credit card can still
challenge
> the charges. Joe is very upset about this because the WWSI merchant
account
> is directly connected to his credit, and they will come after him for the
> money, as they should. I will assist anyone who attempts to make this
> challenge.
>
> In the meantime I am filing a dispute with OpenSRS in order to get them to
> grant me access to the WWSI RSP account, so that I can assist those who
got
> screwed over, in moving their domains and renewing them with another
domain
> registrar.
>
> As for my rude comments towards you, those were made only after I viewed
> your website that claimed I had disappeared - a claim Joe Allesch made to
> you even though I had been in email and telephone contact with him the
> entire time. I apologize for the offense.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Dye
>
>
> morrisqc <morrisqc.245fz@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote in message
> news:morrisqc.245fz@timelimit.unicyclist.com
> >
> > Hello to members of this forum.
> >
> > My attention has been drawn to postings in this forum relating to World
> > Webserver Inc (WWSI). I understand that there has been mention of my
> > webpage, where I outline my own experiences in dealing with WWSI, at
> > ‘www.lexscripta.com/wwsi/’ (http://www.lexscripta.com/wwsi/).
> >
> > John Dye describes this as a “hate site”. I have never met Mr Dye, and I
> > have had no dealing with him expect in relation to WWSI. I have no
> > personal grudge against the man, despite the vulgar abuse which he has
> > levelled at me. If the family problems which he has mentioned are true,
> > then I am genuinely sorry for him. But that has nothing to do with the
> > fact that the collapse of his company has caused a lot of people a lot
> > of financial hardship.
> >
> > Mr Dye has said many things, in this forum and elsewhere, to “distance”
> > himself from the collapse of WWSI. But every email which I received from
> > WWSI prior to its collapse was signed by John Dye; a “who is” search
> > revealed that the sites were registered in his name; and he was the
> > “President” of the company. Whether the collapse of WWSI was due to
> > technical incompetence, financial mismanagement, or (as has been
> > suggested) the impact of “hackers” rendering their harware inoperable -
> > an explanation which I, for one, find very difficult to fathom - the
> > buck plainly stops with the man in charge.
> >
> > My only purpose in creating and updating my WWSI page is to warn other
> > consumers of the risks involved in entrusting their money, their
> > efforts, and their web presence, to any business associated with Mr Dye
> > or his ex-partner, Joe Allesch.
> >
> > I have read both Mr Dye’s and Mr Allesch’s explanations of what went
> > wrong, and what happened to people’s money. I have no way of knowing
> > which (if either) of them is telling the truth. But the simple fact is
> > that a lot of people lost their money as a result of putting their faith
> > in John Dye and Joe Allesch.
> >
> > I am one of the lucky ones, who can afford the loss. My main concern is
> > for people who could ill-afford to throw $50 or $70 per website down the
> > toilet, as they did by dealing with WWSI. My hope is to ensure that no
> > business connected with Mr Dye or Mr Allesch is ever again able to
> > defraud me, or anyone else, in the way that we were defrauded through
> > WWSI.
> >
> > Amongst a great deal of correspondence which I have had with Mr Dye, Mr
> > Allesch and others in relation to WWSI, I have received threats of
> > lawsuits for libel or slander. I am not concerned by these threats, for
> > three reasons: everything contained on my WWSI page is factually
> > accurate, and I have retained the emails and other documentation to
> > prove it; I am a lawyer (and, as it happens, a specialist in defamation
> > law) so I know that I am within my legal rights; and I am located in
> > Australia, which would make it very hard for them to sue me, even if
> > they had a legal basis for doing so.
> >
> > If anyone else wants to add information to my WWSI page as a warning to
> > consumers, they are welcome to email the information to me and I will
> > post it, either with the person’s name or, if he/she prefers,
> > anonymously. Please understand, however, that I am only interested in
> > posting factual and verifiable information - not hearsay or gossip, and
> > not personal abuse.
> >
> > I appreciate that this discussion is of no interest to many members of
> > this forum, and to such members I apologise for wasting your time and
> > bandwidth. But it plainly is of interest to some members of this forum,
> > and I invite those members to assist me in ensuring that what John Dye
> > and Joe Allesch did to us cannot easily be done again to anyone else.
> >
> > Kind regards to all,
> > Tony Morris
> > morrisqc@lexscripta.com
> >
> >
> > –
> > morrisqc
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > morrisqc’s Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/741
> > View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/17098
> >
>
>

Re: Wwsi

J.D. send me an email address so I can get in touch with you privately I
have some questions and would just like to say hi and let you know what’s up
with me lately.

Thanks
Gary Stein
gestein@cnw.com

“JD” <johnny_dye@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:a7rgmg$6a3$1@www.t-shirtcountdown.com
> One more thing. I have never once claimed to be defamed by you, or
> threatened lawsuit. Please confirm this for others so that they know the
> truth about that issue.
>
> JD
>
> JD <johnny_dye@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:a7rgf6$5u2$1@www.t-shirtcountdown.com
> > Mr. Morris,
> >
> > As stated here earlier, and in email messages, I did not have access to
> any
> > bank accounts. A message posted here by Joe Allesch confirmed that.
> >
> > Somewhere, somehow, all of the money deposited into Joe’s merchant bank
> > account has mysteriously disappeared and now he claims a $4000 debt.
> >
> > In the last 2 years I have received less than $10,000 for my efforts,
> while
> > depositing over $50,000 into said merchant account. WWSI expenses were
> less
> > than $700 monthly, this included hosting fees and payments to OpenSRS
for
> > each domain we registered.
> >
> > Do the math:
> >
> > $700 x 24 months = $16,800
> > Payments made to me = $9,800
> >
> > That leaves a total of around $25,000 that is missing. This does not
> > include the numerous orders that were paid via check, money order, and
> > paypal.
> >
> > In addition, Joe Allesch is a flat out liar. You claim on your website
> that
> > Joe claimed to have 30,000 clients. When I asked him about this he
denied
> > even saying it, and claimed that you were a liar.
> >
> > Now Joe has changed all of the passwords for the numerous domains that
> WWSI
> > owned, placed ownership of all of them in my name, listed an email
address
> > that I do not own as the administrative contact, and refuses to give me
> > access to the OpenSRS system so that I can help other former WWSI
clients
> > manage their domain names. He has also denied me access to even the
> domain
> > records for WWSI, which he placed in my name. So I can’t even place an
> > explanation page in WWSI’s place, with a link to a reputable company
that
> > would be glad to take on the former WWSI clients.
> >
> > Apparently, Joe is mad because I refuse to work unpaid any longer, and
is
> > now busy directing the blame towards me.
> >
> > I have never signed any articles of incorporation with WWSI. Joe may
have
> > put my name on the documents, and perhaps forged my signature, but I am
> not,
> > nor have I ever been, a corporate officer. Nor have I ever received any
> > stock or dividend from WWSI. All payments made to me were in the form
of
> > payments to independent contractor. Otherwise I would have been an
> employee
> > of WWSI and entitled to much more than I received.
> >
> > WWSI was my idea and my life for the last 4 years - and I trusted
someone
> I
> > had no business trusting. It is not the first time a cheat and a liar
has
> > taken unfair advantage of me in a business situation.
> >
> > I still believe that those who paid WWSI via credit card can still
> challenge
> > the charges. Joe is very upset about this because the WWSI merchant
> account
> > is directly connected to his credit, and they will come after him for
the
> > money, as they should. I will assist anyone who attempts to make this
> > challenge.
> >
> > In the meantime I am filing a dispute with OpenSRS in order to get them
to
> > grant me access to the WWSI RSP account, so that I can assist those who
> got
> > screwed over, in moving their domains and renewing them with another
> domain
> > registrar.
> >
> > As for my rude comments towards you, those were made only after I viewed
> > your website that claimed I had disappeared - a claim Joe Allesch made
to
> > you even though I had been in email and telephone contact with him the
> > entire time. I apologize for the offense.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John Dye
> >
> >
> > morrisqc <morrisqc.245fz@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote in message
> > news:morrisqc.245fz@timelimit.unicyclist.com…[color=darkred]
> > >
> > > Hello to members of this forum.
> > >
> > > My attention has been drawn to postings in this forum relating to[/color]
World[color=darkred]
> > > Webserver Inc (WWSI). I understand that there has been mention of my
> > > webpage, where I outline my own experiences in dealing with WWSI, at
> > > ‘www.lexscripta.com/wwsi/’ (http://www.lexscripta.com/wwsi/).
> > >
> > > John Dye describes this as a “hate site”. I have never met Mr Dye, and[/color]
I[color=darkred]
> > > have had no dealing with him expect in relation to WWSI. I have no
> > > personal grudge against the man, despite the vulgar abuse which he has
> > > levelled at me. If the family problems which he has mentioned are[/color]
true,[color=darkred]
> > > then I am genuinely sorry for him. But that has nothing to do with the
> > > fact that the collapse of his company has caused a lot of people a lot
> > > of financial hardship.
> > >
> > > Mr Dye has said many things, in this forum and elsewhere, to[/color]
“distance”[color=darkred]
> > > himself from the collapse of WWSI. But every email which I received[/color]
from[color=darkred]
> > > WWSI prior to its collapse was signed by John Dye; a “who is” search
> > > revealed that the sites were registered in his name; and he was the
> > > “President” of the company. Whether the collapse of WWSI was due to
> > > technical incompetence, financial mismanagement, or (as has been
> > > suggested) the impact of “hackers” rendering their harware[/color]
inoperable -[color=darkred]
> > > an explanation which I, for one, find very difficult to fathom - the
> > > buck plainly stops with the man in charge.
> > >
> > > My only purpose in creating and updating my WWSI page is to warn other
> > > consumers of the risks involved in entrusting their money, their
> > > efforts, and their web presence, to any business associated with Mr[/color]
Dye[color=darkred]
> > > or his ex-partner, Joe Allesch.
> > >
> > > I have read both Mr Dye’s and Mr Allesch’s explanations of what went
> > > wrong, and what happened to people’s money. I have no way of knowing
> > > which (if either) of them is telling the truth. But the simple fact is
> > > that a lot of people lost their money as a result of putting their[/color]
faith[color=darkred]
> > > in John Dye and Joe Allesch.
> > >
> > > I am one of the lucky ones, who can afford the loss. My main concern[/color]
is[color=darkred]
> > > for people who could ill-afford to throw $50 or $70 per website down[/color]
the[color=darkred]
> > > toilet, as they did by dealing with WWSI. My hope is to ensure that no
> > > business connected with Mr Dye or Mr Allesch is ever again able to
> > > defraud me, or anyone else, in the way that we were defrauded through
> > > WWSI.
> > >
> > > Amongst a great deal of correspondence which I have had with Mr Dye,[/color]
Mr[color=darkred]
> > > Allesch and others in relation to WWSI, I have received threats of
> > > lawsuits for libel or slander. I am not concerned by these threats,[/color]
for[color=darkred]
> > > three reasons: everything contained on my WWSI page is factually
> > > accurate, and I have retained the emails and other documentation to
> > > prove it; I am a lawyer (and, as it happens, a specialist in[/color]
defamation[color=darkred]
> > > law) so I know that I am within my legal rights; and I am located in
> > > Australia, which would make it very hard for them to sue me, even if
> > > they had a legal basis for doing so.
> > >
> > > If anyone else wants to add information to my WWSI page as a warning[/color]
to[color=darkred]
> > > consumers, they are welcome to email the information to me and I will
> > > post it, either with the person’s name or, if he/she prefers,
> > > anonymously. Please understand, however, that I am only interested in
> > > posting factual and verifiable information - not hearsay or gossip,[/color]
and[color=darkred]
> > > not personal abuse.
> > >
> > > I appreciate that this discussion is of no interest to many members of
> > > this forum, and to such members I apologise for wasting your time and
> > > bandwidth. But it plainly is of interest to some members of this[/color]
forum,[color=darkred]
> > > and I invite those members to assist me in ensuring that what John Dye
> > > and Joe Allesch did to us cannot easily be done again to anyone else.
> > >
> > > Kind regards to all,
> > > Tony Morris
> > > morrisqc@lexscripta.com
> > >
> > >
> > > –
> > > morrisqc
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > morrisqc’s Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/741
> > > View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/17098
> > >
> >
> >
>
>[/color]

In fairness to Mr Dye, I am happy to confirm that the threat of defamation proceedings did not emenate from him.

Having said that, I am unable to agree with anything else said by Mr Dye. For example:

(1) Mr Dye asserts that “As for my rude comments towards you, those were made only after I viewed your website that claimed I had disappeared - a claim Joe Allesch made to you even though I had been in email and telephone contact with him the entire time.” That claim was indeed made by Mr Allesch. But it was also consistent with the fact that, for weeks after the disappearance of WWSI - and the disappearance of the websites which I had paid for WWSI to host - emails to Mr Dye (both at his WWSI email address, and also at his yahoo email address) went totally unanswered.

(2) My Dye also says that “I have never signed any articles of incorporation with WWSI. Joe may have put my name on the documents, and perhaps forged my signature, but I am not, nor have I ever been, a corporate officer.” For over two years, in all my dealings with WWSI, John Dye was the only name which ever appeared on any of their correspondence. I find it difficult to believe that, despite such a long and intimate involvement with the company, Mr Dye was unaware of the true situation regarding corporate governance. If Mr Dye is concerned that his name may have been placed on documents without his authority, or that his signature may have been forged, it is passing strange that he was content to let the situation run on for years, and only complains once the whole house of cards has come tumbling down. As I am not qualified as a lawyer in the US, I cannot comment on the legal situation in your country; but where I come from, if a person knows that he is being held out to the public as a corporate officer and does nothing about it until the corporation has collapsed, he is “estopped” from denying that he was duly appointed to the position.

(3) Mr Dye asseverates that “WWSI was my idea and my life for the last 4 years”. I may be missing something, but this strikes me as an unusual admission from a man who is claiming that WWSI was totally under the control of Joe Allesch, and that he (Mr Dye) was merely an “independent contractor”.

However, whilst I have difficulty in believeing a lot of Mr Dye’s claims, I do not pretend to know exactly where the truth lies. Plainly, Mr Dye and Mr Allesch cannot both be teling the truth, since what each of them has said is fundamentally inconsistent, and each has accused the other of being a liar. Thus, my website simply records the facts as I know them, and the conflicting claims made by each of Mr Dye and Mr Allesch. My warning to consumers will therefore remain: can you risk your time, your money, and the value of your web presence to the integrity of either of these people, or any business which is associated with them.

Mr Dye’s concession that he “trusted someone [whom he] had no business trusting”, and that this “is not the first time a cheat and a liar has taken unfair advantage of [him] in a business situation”, should be sufficient to give anyone second thoughts about Mr Dye’s reliability in business.

Regards to all,
Tony Morris
morrisqc@lexscripta.com

Re: Wwsi

“morrisqc” <morrisqc.268ob@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote in message
news:morrisqc.268ob@timelimit.unicyclist.com
>
>>
> (2) My Dye also says that “I have never signed any articles of
> incorporation with WWSI. Joe may have put my name on the documents, and
> perhaps forged my signature, but I am not, nor have I ever been, a
> corporate officer.” For over two years, in all my dealings with WWSI,
> John Dye was the only name which ever appeared on any of their
> correspondence. I find it difficult to believe that, despite such a long
> and intimate involvement with the company, Mr Dye was unaware of the
> true situation regarding corporate governance. If Mr Dye is concerned
> that his name may have been placed on documents without his authority,
> or that his signature may have been forged, it is passing strange that
> he was content to let the situation run on for years, and only complains
> once the whole house of cards has come tumbling down. As I am not
> qualified as a lawyer in the US, I cannot comment on the legal situation
> in your country; but where I come from, if a person knows that he is
> being held out to the public as a corporate officer and does nothing
> about it until the corporation has collapsed, he is “estopped” from
> denying that he was duly appointed to the position.

That is not the case in under US law, from the content of this and your
other posts it is quit apparent that you are both and attorney and from
somewhere other then the US. Your comments show a basic misunderstanding
about the realities of small business (not just in the US but in any
capitalistic society), and exhibit the classic preconceptions that most
attorneys bring to any discussion.
>
> (3) Mr Dye asseverates that “WWSI was my idea and my life for the last 4
> years”. I may be missing something, but this strikes me as an unusual
> admission from a man who is claiming that WWSI was totally under the
> control of Joe Allesch, and that he (Mr Dye) was merely an “independent
> contractor”.

Again your inexperience in small enterprises shows through, there is no
contradiction at all in the statement that you attribute to Mr. Dye above.
Oh and I to lost a site due to the collaspe of WWSI.
>
> However, whilst I have difficulty in believeing a lot of Mr Dye’s
> claims, I do not pretend to know exactly where the truth lies. Plainly,
> Mr Dye and Mr Allesch cannot both be teling the truth, since what each
> of them has said is fundamentally inconsistent, and each has accused the
> other of being a liar. Thus, my website simply records the facts as I
> know them, and the conflicting claims made by each of Mr Dye and Mr
> Allesch. My warning to consumers will therefore remain: can you risk
> your time, your money, and the value of your web presence to the
> integrity of either of these people, or any business which is associated
> with them.

I have never yet met an attorney who treats the truth as anything other then
a covenant concept to be manipulated to his or her own ends with little to
no bearing on reality.
>
> Mr Dye’s concession that he “trusted someone [whom he] had no business
> trusting”, and that this “is not the first time a cheat and a liar has
> taken unfair advantage of [him] in a business situation”, should be
> sufficient to give anyone second thoughts about Mr Dye’s reliability in
> business.

True as far as it goes, though we all can’t be lawyers, nor do most of us
choose to live the life of cynicism lead by most of those who practice law
for a living. The practice of law is not even in the top 25 of respected
professions in the United States, I do not know if that is the case down
under, here we look at lawyers as one step above used car salesman and late
night spokes people for $19.95 TV wonder products.

Gary Stein

Re: Wwsi

“morrisqc” <morrisqc.268ob@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote in message
news:morrisqc.268ob@timelimit.unicyclist.com
>
>>
> (2) My Dye also says that “I have never signed any articles of
> incorporation with WWSI. Joe may have put my name on the documents, and
> perhaps forged my signature, but I am not, nor have I ever been, a
> corporate officer.” For over two years, in all my dealings with WWSI,
> John Dye was the only name which ever appeared on any of their
> correspondence. I find it difficult to believe that, despite such a long
> and intimate involvement with the company, Mr Dye was unaware of the
> true situation regarding corporate governance. If Mr Dye is concerned
> that his name may have been placed on documents without his authority,
> or that his signature may have been forged, it is passing strange that
> he was content to let the situation run on for years, and only complains
> once the whole house of cards has come tumbling down. As I am not
> qualified as a lawyer in the US, I cannot comment on the legal situation
> in your country; but where I come from, if a person knows that he is
> being held out to the public as a corporate officer and does nothing
> about it until the corporation has collapsed, he is “estopped” from
> denying that he was duly appointed to the position.

That is not the case in under US law, from the content of this and your
other posts it is quit apparent that you are both and attorney and from
somewhere other then the US. Your comments show a basic misunderstanding
about the realities of small business (not just in the US but in any
capitalistic society), and exhibit the classic preconceptions that most
attorneys bring to any discussion.
>
> (3) Mr Dye asseverates that “WWSI was my idea and my life for the last 4
> years”. I may be missing something, but this strikes me as an unusual
> admission from a man who is claiming that WWSI was totally under the
> control of Joe Allesch, and that he (Mr Dye) was merely an “independent
> contractor”.

Again your inexperience in small enterprises shows through, there is no
contradiction at all in the statement that you attribute to Mr. Dye above.
Oh and I to lost a site due to the collaspe of WWSI.
>
> However, whilst I have difficulty in believeing a lot of Mr Dye’s
> claims, I do not pretend to know exactly where the truth lies. Plainly,
> Mr Dye and Mr Allesch cannot both be teling the truth, since what each
> of them has said is fundamentally inconsistent, and each has accused the
> other of being a liar. Thus, my website simply records the facts as I
> know them, and the conflicting claims made by each of Mr Dye and Mr
> Allesch. My warning to consumers will therefore remain: can you risk
> your time, your money, and the value of your web presence to the
> integrity of either of these people, or any business which is associated
> with them.

I have never yet met an attorney who treats the truth as anything other then
a covenant concept to be manipulated to his or her own ends with little to
no bearing on reality.
>
> Mr Dye’s concession that he “trusted someone [whom he] had no business
> trusting”, and that this “is not the first time a cheat and a liar has
> taken unfair advantage of [him] in a business situation”, should be
> sufficient to give anyone second thoughts about Mr Dye’s reliability in
> business.

True as far as it goes, though we all can’t be lawyers, nor do most of us
choose to live the life of cynicism lead by most of those who practice law
for a living. The practice of law is not even in the top 25 of respected
professions in the United States, I do not know if that is the case down
under, here we look at lawyers as one step above used car salesman and late
night spokes people for $19.95 TV wonder products.

Gary Stein

Re: Wwsi

I guess you haven’t met very many attorneys.

Gary Stein wrote:
>
> I have never yet met an attorney who treats the truth as anything other then
> a covenant concept to be manipulated to his or her own ends with little to
> no bearing on reality.


Jay Tierney – jay@jaytierney.com

Re: Wwsi

Law is about interpretation, there is no “truth” per se on a lot of issues.
That and there are many good lawyers out there who are frivolous and deserve
more respect in he states. It’s the Personal injury, and often they aren’t
bad attorneys who can be troublesome.

Other attorneys do unethical things, but I respect lawyers a great deal and
more so for the shit and lack of respect they receive. Do you think most
judges are not worth respecting? They are all lawyers. I know you are
responding to the other guys response but a few of the statements you seem
to make are rather stereotypical and generalized.


Brian Wilmot

http://www.jumpnow.net/
http://www.uglybillboards.com/
http://www.jumptraveler.com/

“Gary Stein” <gestein@cnw.com> wrote in message
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>
> “morrisqc” <morrisqc.268ob@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote in message
> news:morrisqc.268ob@timelimit.unicyclist.com
> >[color=darkred]
> >>
> > (2) My Dye also says that “I have never signed any articles of
> > incorporation with WWSI. Joe may have put my name on the documents, and
> > perhaps forged my signature, but I am not, nor have I ever been, a
> > corporate officer.” For over two years, in all my dealings with WWSI,
> > John Dye was the only name which ever appeared on any of their
> > correspondence. I find it difficult to believe that, despite such a long
> > and intimate involvement with the company, Mr Dye was unaware of the
> > true situation regarding corporate governance. If Mr Dye is concerned
> > that his name may have been placed on documents without his authority,
> > or that his signature may have been forged, it is passing strange that
> > he was content to let the situation run on for years, and only complains
> > once the whole house of cards has come tumbling down. As I am not
> > qualified as a lawyer in the US, I cannot comment on the legal situation
> > in your country; but where I come from, if a person knows that he is
> > being held out to the public as a corporate officer and does nothing
> > about it until the corporation has collapsed, he is “estopped” from
> > denying that he was duly appointed to the position.
>
> That is not the case in under US law, from the content of this and your
> other posts it is quit apparent that you are both and attorney and from
> somewhere other then the US. Your comments show a basic misunderstanding
> about the realities of small business (not just in the US but in any
> capitalistic society), and exhibit the classic preconceptions that most
> attorneys bring to any discussion.
> >
> > (3) Mr Dye asseverates that “WWSI was my idea and my life for the last 4
> > years”. I may be missing something, but this strikes me as an unusual
> > admission from a man who is claiming that WWSI was totally under the
> > control of Joe Allesch, and that he (Mr Dye) was merely an “independent
> > contractor”.
>
> Again your inexperience in small enterprises shows through, there is no
> contradiction at all in the statement that you attribute to Mr. Dye above.
> Oh and I to lost a site due to the collaspe of WWSI.
> >
> > However, whilst I have difficulty in believeing a lot of Mr Dye’s
> > claims, I do not pretend to know exactly where the truth lies. Plainly,
> > Mr Dye and Mr Allesch cannot both be teling the truth, since what each
> > of them has said is fundamentally inconsistent, and each has accused the
> > other of being a liar. Thus, my website simply records the facts as I
> > know them, and the conflicting claims made by each of Mr Dye and Mr
> > Allesch. My warning to consumers will therefore remain: can you risk
> > your time, your money, and the value of your web presence to the
> > integrity of either of these people, or any business which is associated
> > with them.
>
> I have never yet met an attorney who treats the truth as anything other[/color]
then
> a covenant concept to be manipulated to his or her own ends with little to
> no bearing on reality.
> >
> > Mr Dye’s concession that he “trusted someone [whom he] had no business
> > trusting”, and that this “is not the first time a cheat and a liar has
> > taken unfair advantage of [him] in a business situation”, should be
> > sufficient to give anyone second thoughts about Mr Dye’s reliability in
> > business.
>
> True as far as it goes, though we all can’t be lawyers, nor do most of us
> choose to live the life of cynicism lead by most of those who practice law
> for a living. The practice of law is not even in the top 25 of respected
> professions in the United States, I do not know if that is the case down
> under, here we look at lawyers as one step above used car salesman and
late
> night spokes people for $19.95 TV wonder products.
>
> Gary Stein
>
>
>

Re: Wwsi

“Gary Stein” <gestein@cnw.com> wrote

> I have never yet met an attorney who treats the truth as anything other
then
> a covenant concept to be manipulated to his or her own ends with little to
> no bearing on reality.

Indeed

:slight_smile:

Jtk

Re: Wwsi

“Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote
>Do you think most judges are not worth respecting?
>They are all lawyers.

On the whole I’d rather deal with a used car salesman.

Jtk

Re: Wwsi

“Good Clean Car, Ice Cold Air, She’s a Runner!” :slight_smile:


Tom Bryant
tom@dixieshirts.com

“Jtk” <james@d2interactive.com> wrote in message
news:a7tmsd$1ma$1@www.darklock.com
>
> “Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote
> >Do you think most judges are not worth respecting?
> >They are all lawyers.
>
> On the whole I’d rather deal with a used car salesman.
>
> Jtk
>
>

Re: Wwsi

Several hundred over the years. I also planed on going to Law School and
scored well on the LSAT’s and was expected to UW School of Law but then I
had a meeting with several friends who were a year older then I who had just
completed there 1st year of Law School and they were so changed by that
experience it turned me totally off to the idea of the Law as a career.

Gary Stein

“Jay Tierney” <jay@jaytierney.com> wrote in message
news:3CA1F9C9.1672D634@jaytierney.com
> I guess you haven’t met very many attorneys.
>
> Gary Stein wrote:
> >
> > I have never yet met an attorney who treats the truth as anything other
then
> > a covenant concept to be manipulated to his or her own ends with little
to
> > no bearing on reality.
>
> –
> Jay Tierney – jay@jaytierney.com