wireless DSL?

Is that an oxymoron? Our cable company is set to launch cable internet
access in about a month and my ISP just announced “wireless dsl”. I’ve not
been able to get many details so far. Anyone ever hear of it?

The one detail I did hear was 512 upload and download speed for $50 a
month. Seems kinda high to me, but without any competition, I’m sure I’ll
pay it lol.

Deborah

Deborah wrote
> The one detail I did hear was 512 upload and download speed for $50 a
> month. Seems kinda high to me, but without any competition, I’m sure
> I’ll pay it lol.

512 kilobits or kilobytes? I’m assuming it’s kilobits, because 512
kilobytes/sec would be an incredible speed for $50. I have cable which
gets on average ~128 kilobytes download and 12-16 kilobytes upload
speeds… for $40/month.

It would be unusual for DSL or cable (as far as I know) to offer the
same speed for upload and download. Normally the download speed is
much faster.

Jess

With RR cable, I get 2mbps down, 384kbit up. Used to be 10mbps down,
784kbit up but the bastards capped it last August (and still haven’t fully
admitted it yet).


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“Jess” <namaste1973@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Deborah wrote
> > The one detail I did hear was 512 upload and download speed for $50 a
> > month. Seems kinda high to me, but without any competition, I’m sure
> > I’ll pay it lol.
>
> 512 kilobits or kilobytes? I’m assuming it’s kilobits, because 512
> kilobytes/sec would be an incredible speed for $50. I have cable which
gets
> on average ~128 kilobytes download and 12-16 kilobytes upload speeds…
for
> $40/month.
>
> It would be unusual for DSL or cable (as far as I know) to offer the
> same speed for upload and download. Normally the download speed is
> much faster.
>
> Jess

Sean S. wrote
> With RR cable, I get 2mbps down, 384kbit up. Used to be 10mbps down,
> 784kbit up but the bastards capped it last August (and still haven’t
> fully admitted it yet).

wow, nice :slight_smile: I’ve gotten speeds around 250 KB/sec, but very rarely - would
be nice to get it all the time. I can’t imagine that kind of up speed (I
calculate yours to be about 48 KB/sec, whereas mine is capped at 16
KB/sec)… You’re lucky

Jess

I get speeds around 450Kb/sec (roughly 3 T1s) fairly routinely on my
cable. Upload seems to be limited at 20Kb/sec

Leonid S. Knyshov

“Jess” <namaste1973@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sean S. wrote
> > With RR cable, I get 2mbps down, 384kbit up. Used to be 10mbps down,
> > 784kbit up but the bastards capped it last
August
> > (and still haven’t fully admitted it yet).
>
> wow, nice I’ve gotten speeds around 250 KB/sec, but very rarely -
> would be nice to
get
> it all the time. I can’t imagine that kind of up speed (I calculate
> yours to be about 48 KB/sec, whereas mine is capped at 16
> KB/sec)… You’re
lucky
>
> Jess

Leonid S. Knyshov at home wrote
> I get speeds around 450Kb/sec (roughly 3 T1s) fairly routinely on my
cable.
> Upload seems to be limited at 20Kb/sec

nice :slight_smile:

Jess

Ummm…I’m thinking Deborah was commenting on the WIRELESS part of wireless
dsl. DSL isn’t wireless, and thats where I beleive she’s coming from.


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can die but you’re never dead” - Red Hot Chili Peppers “Jess”
<namaste1973@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Leonid S. Knyshov at home wrote
> > I get speeds around 450Kb/sec (roughly 3 T1s) fairly routinely on my
> cable.
> > Upload seems to be limited at 20Kb/sec
>
> nice
>
> Jess

Of course,

But we degraded into bandwidth discussion :wink:

They might simply be using SDSL technology with a media converter where
the media is RF. That, by the way, is also why the bandwidth inbound and
outbound is the same. SDSL is very different from conventional ADSL Jess
was thinking of.

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“Brian Wilmot” <bwilmot@jumpnow.net> wrote in message
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> Ummm…I’m thinking Deborah was commenting on the WIRELESS part of
> wireless dsl. DSL isn’t wireless, and thats where I beleive she’s
> coming from.
>
> –
> Brian Wilmot http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/ "You
> can die but you’re never dead" - Red Hot Chili Peppers “Jess”
> <namaste1973@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9f8ug2$897$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> > Leonid S. Knyshov at home wrote
> > > I get speeds around 450Kb/sec (roughly 3 T1s) fairly routinely on my
> > cable.
> > > Upload seems to be limited at 20Kb/sec
> >
> > nice
> >
> > Jess
> >
>

they probably mean a satellite internet connection, lots of times these
are offered through or in some association with the dish network or direct
tv satellite packages… although there is another that is called starband
that is just an isp.

i think they are kinda expensive (~$400 for hardware and ~$40-$70 for
monthly access) and get roughly the same bandwidth of a lower grade dsl
line. ive seen some reports saying they’ve gotten around 400Kbps down and
64Kbps up.

also if you’re looking to play games on it, it’s not gonna be very good
from what i hear, since it’s communicating with a satellite for the
connection…


Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com

“Deborah” <deb@work.invalid.com> wrote in message
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> Is that an oxymoron? Our cable company is set to launch cable internet
> access in about a month and my ISP just announced “wireless dsl”. I’ve
> not been able to get many details so far. Anyone ever hear of it?
>
> The one detail I did hear was 512 upload and download speed for $50 a
> month. Seems kinda high to me, but without any competition, I’m sure
> I’ll pay it lol.
>
> Deborah

Here in Toronto, http://www.look.ca/ has wireless one-megabit Internet
service that is not satelite-based – The same company also offers digital
“wireless cable”(?!) for your TV. They get high ratings in reviews

Toronto’s a great place for high-speed connections right now. There are
about 20 different companies offering one-megabit residential ADSL and it
costs about $30/month (Canadian dollars – unlimited dialup costs
$25/month)

Tony Ranieri <woo_boy@puckoff.com> wrote in message
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> they probably mean a satellite internet connection, lots of times
these are
> offered through or in some association with the dish network or direct
tv
> satellite packages… although there is another that is called starband
that
> is just an isp.
>
> i think they are kinda expensive (~$400 for hardware and ~$40-$70 for
> monthly access) and get roughly the same bandwidth of a lower grade
dsl
> line. ive seen some reports saying they’ve gotten around 400Kbps down
and
> 64Kbps up.
>
> also if you’re looking to play games on it, it’s not gonna be very
good from
> what i hear, since it’s communicating with a satellite for the
> connection…
>
> –
> Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com
>
>
> “Deborah” <deb@work.invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:3B177DAF.E3DABFDB@work.invalid.com
> > Is that an oxymoron? Our cable company is set to launch cable
internet
> > access in about a month and my ISP just announced “wireless dsl”.
I’ve
> > not been able to get many details so far. Anyone ever hear of it?
> >
> > The one detail I did hear was 512 upload and download speed for $50
a
> > month. Seems kinda high to me, but without any competition, I’m
sure
> > I’ll pay it lol.
> >
> > Deborah
>

Sorry Tony, I think you are wrong.

Satellite technology most definitely has nothing to do with DSL. But hey,
what do I know (with my little 3-router lab at home) about networking. :slight_smile:

Low bandwidth (128kbps anywhere in the Bay Area) micro-cellular RF
Internet is pretty common around here with Ricochet, and with point to
point laser links or very high frequency (around 60Ghz) radio (RF) links
you can go a lot faster. And I do mean a LOT faster. I’ve attended a
network conference a few days ago and one of the things demonstrated was a
proposal for a SAN running over Gigabit Ethernet over thin air. The true
meaning of Ethernet is networking over air, by the way :-).

I doubt they will have the optical system, but directed RF is very
feasible and not terribly expensive.

For those who are interested, here is the link to the presentation. I
think the authority of the presenter is sufficient ;).
http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0105/ospf.html

Leonid S. Knyshov

“Tony Ranieri” <woo_boy@puckoff.com> wrote in message
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> they probably mean a satellite internet connection, lots of times these
are
> offered through or in some association with the dish network or direct
> tv satellite packages… although there is another that is called
> starband
that
> is just an isp.
>
> i think they are kinda expensive (~$400 for hardware and ~$40-$70 for
> monthly access) and get roughly the same bandwidth of a lower grade dsl
> line. ive seen some reports saying they’ve gotten around 400Kbps down
> and 64Kbps up.
>
> also if you’re looking to play games on it, it’s not gonna be very good
from
> what i hear, since it’s communicating with a satellite for the
> connection…
>
> –
> Tony Raineri http://www.woogu.com
>
>
> “Deborah” <deb@work.invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:3B177DAF.E3DABFDB@work.invalid.com
> > Is that an oxymoron? Our cable company is set to launch cable internet
> > access in about a month and my ISP just announced “wireless dsl”. I’ve
> > not been able to get many details so far. Anyone ever hear of it?
> >
> > The one detail I did hear was 512 upload and download speed for $50 a
> > month. Seems kinda high to me, but without any competition, I’m sure
> > I’ll pay it lol.
> >
> > Deborah
>

My ISP answered some of my questions. Sounds like a radio type of
hookup? Weird!

"On the wirelss DSL, we have it up & running here in Scottville, and
are shooting for July 1 in Ludington and August 1 in Manistee. Both
Hal & I are attending a school in Florida the week of the 11th of June
to make sure

we understand what we know about it, and from there on, it will be full
speed ahead.

Cost wise, at the present time we are offering 4 types of service, 256K
& 512K for single standalone computers. And 256K & 512K for multiple
(networked) systems. The prices are $40.00 & $50.00 per month for the
single computer hookups, and $60.00 & $75.00 per month for the
networked systems.

On the customer side it will take a minimum of a radio card, an adapter
card, and a site license agreement. Again, “at the present time”, these
items are costing out about $250.00. We are trying to work with our vendor

to be able to get a better price, but so far have had no luck. What ever
the price is, we will offer them strictly at cost.

Along with the above minimum, in most instances, it will also take some
type of an antenna. Whether a little short desktop unit, or an outdoor
style, the customer’s location will be the determining factor.

To service Ludington we will be having transmitting antennas at the
studios

of WKLA, on the tower that is on top of the City Center Building
(Corner of

Ludington Ave. & James St.), and on the Lake Michigan Broadcasting
tower located on Ehler Rd. For Manistee, we will be on the Lake
Michigan Broadcasting tower on the south side of town. Again, signal
strength in the customer’s area is going to determine what type of
antenna that will be

required."

Deborah

Deborah wrote:

> Is that an oxymoron? Our cable company is set to launch cable internet
> access in about a month and my ISP just announced “wireless dsl”. I’ve
> not been able to get many details so far. Anyone ever hear of it?
>
> The one detail I did hear was 512 upload and download speed for $50 a
> month. Seems kinda high to me, but without any competition, I’m sure
> I’ll pay it lol.
>
> Deborah

I know the sysadmin at my job installed a wireless 1.5mbps internet
connection at the local airport. I dont think it had anything to do with
DSL tho…

Deborah <deb@work.invalid.com> wrote in message
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> Is that an oxymoron? Our cable company is set to launch cable internet
> access in about a month and my ISP just announced “wireless dsl”. I’ve
> not been able to get many details so far. Anyone ever hear of it?
>
> The one detail I did hear was 512 upload and download speed for $50 a
> month. Seems kinda high to me, but without any competition, I’m sure
> I’ll pay it lol.
>
> Deborah

On Fri, 01 Jun 2001 20:27:44 -0400 Deborah said…

> My ISP answered some of my questions. Sounds like a radio type of
> hookup? Weird!

Well anything Wireless is gona be radio (well maybe light)

We have one around here you have to get the antenna (outside), a receiver,
modem (and network card) and maybe an amplifier depending on your distance
form the tower.

they have 2 options

512Kbit/s for $50/month with a $400 setup fee.

1Mbit/s for $75/month with a $400 setup fee

They have their transmitter/receiver mounted on several cellphone towers
around here. (I think the whole setup is from Sprint and they are the
resellers).

Still No Cable Internet on this side of town, and while there is a local
DSL substation(?) 1,200 feet from here there is no ISP providing service
from it (WTF?)


John R. Marshall JRM Studios.com - http://www.jrmstudios.com The
Hotrodding Network - http://www.hotrodding.net

Buy a DSLAM (DSL switch) and seize the opportunity!

Ah, if it was only that simple :slight_smile:

Leonid S. Knyshov

“John R. Marshall” <john@jrmstudios.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1582674ad3669d2898977d@news.worldwebserver.com
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2001 20:27:44 -0400 Deborah said…
>
> > My ISP answered some of my questions. Sounds like a radio type of
hookup?
> > Weird!
>
> Well anything Wireless is gona be radio (well maybe light)
>
> We have one around here you have to get the antenna (outside), a
> receiver, modem (and network card) and maybe an amplifier depending on
> your distance form the tower.
>
> they have 2 options
>
> 512Kbit/s for $50/month with a $400 setup fee.
>
> 1Mbit/s for $75/month with a $400 setup fee
>
> They have their transmitter/receiver mounted on several cellphone towers
> around here. (I think the whole setup is from Sprint and they are the
> resellers).
>
> Still No Cable Internet on this side of town, and while there is a local
> DSL substation(?) 1,200 feet from here there is no ISP providing service
> from it (WTF?)
>
>
>
> –
> John R. Marshall JRM Studios.com - http://www.jrmstudios.com The
> Hotrodding Network - http://www.hotrodding.net

On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 02:53:07 -0700 Leonid S. Knyshov at home said…

> Buy a DSLAM (DSL switch) and seize the opportunity!
>
> Ah, if it was only that simple :slight_smile:
>

Well If I was going to do a tap, I’d tap into the OC-48 (I think that’s
the correct term… hell -o- big pipe) that is about 200 feet from here.
:slight_smile:


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Hotrodding Network - http://www.hotrodding.net

Yes I have heard of it though you have to be within line of sight of one
of the antenas used to send the signal, kind of like Celluler technology
or microwave. They are offering all kinds of speeds clear up to 45
megabytes per second depending on what your willing to pay for and were
you are in the country. It is very similare to Direct PC except for the
fact that it is two way but in most of the offerings I’ve seen you do have
to be able to mount an antena on the outside of your home that is in
direct line of sight with the tranmission site and weather can effect
through put on some systems.

As to the speed that is not that fast for the price but it would be worth
it if your alternative is a 56k modem, but if your cable company offers
cable modems depending on the company you would proably get better
throughput from that then you will from the wireless deal, at least for
about the first year until the cable system starts to get saturated with
customers.

Gary Stein

“Deborah” <deb@work.invalid.com> wrote in message
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> Is that an oxymoron? Our cable company is set to launch cable internet
> access in about a month and my ISP just announced “wireless dsl”. I’ve
> not been able to get many details so far. Anyone ever hear of it?
>
> The one detail I did hear was 512 upload and download speed for $50 a
> month. Seems kinda high to me, but without any competition, I’m sure
> I’ll pay it lol.
>
> Deborah

“Jess” <namaste1973@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9f83r7$u4g$1@constitution.worldwebserver.com
> Deborah wrote
> > The one detail I did hear was 512 upload and download speed for $50 a
> > month. Seems kinda high to me, but without any competition, I’m sure
> > I’ll pay it lol.
>
> 512 kilobits or kilobytes? I’m assuming it’s kilobits, because 512
> kilobytes/sec would be an incredible speed for $50. I have cable which
gets
> on average ~128 kilobytes download and 12-16 kilobytes upload speeds…
for
> $40/month.
>
> It would be unusual for DSL or cable (as far as I know) to offer the
> same speed for upload and download. Normally the download speed is
> much faster.

When my cable modem was installed I would frequently see speeds in
excess of 2 megabytes/sec now a year and half latter I average about
750 kilobytes/sec both directions when web surfing and uploading, and
up to 5 megabytes/sec downloading from fast FTP servers such as the MS
update site.

Gary Stein
>
> Jess

Gary Stein wrote
> When my cable modem was installed I would frequently see speeds
> in excess
of
> 2 megabytes/sec now a year and half latter I average about 750
kilobytes/sec
> both directions when web surfing and uploading, and up to 5
> megabytes/sec downloading from fast FTP servers such as the MS
> update site.

Geez, that is fast :slight_smile: Lucky lucky. Jess

Make it megabit per sec to make it more realistic…

I doubt Gary was seeing 2Mb/sec in his status bar (that is roughly 16
megabit or roughly a third of a T3). 200-500Kb/sec is more realistic,
which is what I see as well. That is roughly 2-3 T1s, still not bad,
same here.

Leonid S. Knyshov

“Jess” <namaste1973@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Gary Stein wrote
> > When my cable modem was installed I would frequently see speeds in
excess
> of
> > 2 megabytes/sec now a year and half latter I average about 750
> kilobytes/sec
> > both directions when web surfing and uploading, and up to 5
megabytes/sec
> > downloading from fast FTP servers such as the MS update site.
>
>
> Geez, that is fast Lucky lucky. Jess