who does trials on a 24"

system · May 23, 2001, 3:00pm

Hi,

It seems that most people getting into trials these days are using a
mod-style uni. I’m just wondering, how many people out there doing trials
are using a 24" wheel?

I’ve chosen to stick with the 24" setup (with a lightweight slick 24x3"
tire) because the Profile axle is so much stronger, and because I feel
this setup is better for natural terrain trials (plus some urban stuff
like gaps perpendicular to railings). Granted it’s not nearly as good for
street freestyle.

It’s interesting that this sport seems to be evolving into similar styles
to bikes, ie. bmx, mod bike and stock bike styles.

-Kris.

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system · May 23, 2001, 3:12pm

Concerning the strenght of the axle, specifically for say street trials,
did anybody already damaged the suzue axle coming with the monty
wheelsets from unicycle.com ? I’m refraining from huge drops to spare my
uni for the moment.

I bent my wheel a bit already but no real damage to the axle/cranks.

-----Original Message----- From: Kris Holm [mailto:danger_uni@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:46 PM To: unicycling@winternet.com
Subject: who does trials on a 24"

Hi,

It seems that most people getting into trials these days are using a
mod-style uni. I’m just wondering, how many people out there doing trials
are using a 24" wheel?

I’ve chosen to stick with the 24" setup (with a lightweight slick 24x3"
tire) because the Profile axle is so much stronger, and because I feel
this setup is better for natural terrain trials (plus some urban stuff
like gaps perpendicular to railings). Granted it’s not nearly as good for
street freestyle.

It’s interesting that this sport seems to be evolving into similar styles
to bikes, ie. bmx, mod bike and stock bike styles.

-Kris.

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system · May 23, 2001, 4:54pm

Hi,

I have a new 24" uni on the way that I’m definately aiming to do trials
on. The reason I’m going for a 24" is in the hope of finding a balance
between the things I like in my 26" and my 20" Monty… if such a balance
exists that is. Where I live it’s very easy to find a mixture of riding
styles while out and about so I really want a uni that handles both MUni
and trials in one go. I’m not all that bothered about freestyle tricks so
the 24" seems like the way to go.

I’m vaguely worried about the size of tyre though as 24x3’s (having never
clapped eyes on one) sound like they’re as tall as a thinner 26" so, in
effect, although I’m riding a 24" wheel it’ll feel more like a 26". If the
24x3 tyre I’ve got lined up (a Halo Contra
(http://www.halorims.com/tyres.html) still feels like my 26x2.6 Gazz I
guess I’ll be looking for a thinner tyre to decrease the outer diameter.
I’m probably worrying (relatively speaking!) too much - just really
looking forward to trying a 3.0 tyre.

What kind of 24x3 slick are you riding? The lightest 24x3 I’ve managed to
find a weight for is a Gazz Jr coming in at around 1200g.

I think you’re definately right about the evolving of unicycling. Although
I’ve only been riding just over a year now the number of new specialised
components coming out seems to have grown and grown. I wonder how much
Universe has had to do with this

Cheers, Neil

----- Original Message ----- From: <danger_uni@yahoo.com> To:
<unicycling@winternet.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:45 PM Subject:
who does trials on a 24"

> Hi,
>
> It seems that most people getting into trials these days are using a
> mod-style uni. I’m just wondering, how many people out there doing
> trials are using a 24" wheel?
>
> I’ve chosen to stick with the 24" setup (with a lightweight slick 24x3"
> tire) because the Profile axle is so much stronger, and because I feel
> this setup is better for natural terrain trials (plus some urban stuff
> like gaps perpendicular to railings). Granted it’s not nearly as good
> for street freestyle.
>
> It’s interesting that this sport seems to be evolving into similar
> styles to bikes, ie. bmx, mod bike and stock bike styles.
>
> -Kris.
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/

system · May 23, 2001, 5:02pm

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> Concerning the strength of the axle, specifically for say street trials,
> did anybody already damaged the suzue axle coming with the monty
> wheelsets from unicycle.com ?

Speaking as a user of Suzue axles for many years I can offer this:

The Suzue is a very good axle, but no standard unicycle axle will last
forever under prolonged hopping and drops. It is only a matter of time
before the steel fatigues and cracks apart. How long is entirely dependent
on your weight and riding style.

I would venture to guess that a Suzue axle should last longer on a
Monty-style wheel than on a wheel with a skinnier tire. The bigger air
volume in the tire should absorb a lot of shock so less stress goes
into the axle.

So go ahead, hop and drop! The axle probably won’t last forever, but it
was made to be used.

Stay on top (and wear your pads), John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com www.unicycling.com

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system · May 23, 2001, 5:15pm

Hi,

I’ve never damaged the Suzue hub in my Monty… I’m just growing an ever
increasing collection of bent cranks with daily repeated 2 foot drops
outside my house and the up to 3 foot drops when riding in town. Cranks
definately seem to be the thing that’ll go before the axle. I’ve still
some work to do on the landing technique but that’s certainly not to bad
at the moment.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- From: <opaugam@aptilon.com> To:
<unicycling@winternet.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:06 PM Subject:
RE: who does trials on a 24"

> Concerning the strenght of the axle, specifically for say street trials,
> did anybody already damaged the suzue axle coming with the monty
> wheelsets from unicycle.com ? I’m refraining from huge drops to spare my
> uni for the moment.
>
> I bent my wheel a bit already but no real damage to the axle/cranks.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Kris Holm [mailto:danger_uni@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:46 PM To: unicycling@winternet.com
> Subject: who does trials on a 24"
>
>
> Hi,
>
> It seems that most people getting into trials these days are using a
> mod-style uni. I’m just wondering, how many people out there doing
> trials are using a 24" wheel?
>
>
> I’ve chosen to stick with the 24" setup (with a lightweight slick 24x3"
> tire) because the Profile axle is so much stronger, and because I feel
> this setup is better for natural terrain trials (plus some urban stuff
> like gaps perpendicular to railings). Granted it’s not nearly as good
> for street freestyle.
>
> It’s interesting that this sport seems to be evolving into similar
> styles to bikes, ie. bmx, mod bike and stock bike styles.
>
> -Kris.
>
> __________________________________________________
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system · May 23, 2001, 6:47pm

I actually do trials on a 26x2.6" setup. Definitely not ideal, but it
works. I do, however, long for a 24x3" setup! I’m seriously considering
your design Kris.

I’m also using a suzue axle and it hasn’t caused me grief yet. It has been
taking a constant stream of 4 foot drops and a few 5 footers. The cranks
are another story.

Carl

Have you registered for the 2001 NUC? Don’t forget to fill out your event
registration: http://www.mountainunicycling.com/nuc2001/registration/

-----Original Message----- From: owner-unicycling@winternet.com
[mailto:owner-unicycling@winternet.com]On Behalf Of Kris Holm Sent:
Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:46 PM To: unicycling@winternet.com Subject: who
does trials on a 24"

Hi,

It seems that most people getting into trials these days are using a
mod-style uni. I’m just wondering, how many people out there doing trials
are using a 24" wheel?

I’ve chosen to stick with the 24" setup (with a lightweight slick 24x3"
tire) because the Profile axle is so much stronger, and because I feel
this setup is better for natural terrain trials (plus some urban stuff
like gaps perpendicular to railings). Granted it’s not nearly as good for
street freestyle.

It’s interesting that this sport seems to be evolving into similar styles
to bikes, ie. bmx, mod bike and stock bike styles.

-Kris.

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system · May 23, 2001, 7:13pm

When I bought my first and only Uni, I had both trials and Muni in mind. I
went for the 24 inch United, with a 2.1 inch tire only because it would
work for both, it was cheap (comparitivly), and i could learn on it. So
far its held up great.

On the same lines: At unicycle source it states that the Jon Kovachi
wheel set that Im using (sueze 36 spoke hub, sun rhynolyte rim, Kenda
2.1" tire) is only rated to 8" I’ve been hopping higher than that lately!
(It didnt mention the 8" thing when I bought it) I’ve also been riding
off (unsuccesfully) picnic tables. I realize that the cotterless cranks
will go first. I only weigh 115-125, so what exactly does this rating
mean for me?

Nick Cegelka Pyrotechnick13@yahoo.com NicklikesFire AIM

PS: Kris, If I sent you a SASE with the cover to UNIverse, would you sign
it? I just think it would be something cool to have. Plus i could use
it for my senior project, learning how to unicycle.

— Kris Holm <danger_uni@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It seems that most people getting into trials these days are using a
> mod-style uni. I’m just wondering, how many people out there doing
> trials are using a 24" wheel?
>
> I’ve chosen to stick with the 24" setup (with a lightweight slick 24x3"
> tire) because the Profile axle is so much stronger, and because I feel
> this setup is better for natural terrain trials (plus some urban stuff
> like gaps perpendicular to railings). Granted it’s not nearly as good
> for street freestyle.
>
> It’s interesting that this sport seems to be evolving into similar
> styles to bikes, ie. bmx, mod bike and stock bike styles.
>
> -Kris.
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/

system · May 24, 2001, 11:50am

Kris, I’m riding a 26x3 for trials, although I would like to try
downsizing to 24x3. Sometimes the 26x3 gets in the way of things, and I
could use more “torque” for some maneuvers like hopping up inclines and
dropping onto inclines. I put torque in parentheses because the torque is
really the same, and it’s actually the force applied at the road that
increases with a smaller wheel.

I remember you used to ride 26x2.7. Did changing to a 24x3 affect your
forward gapping any?

Chris

http://www.reeder.unicyclist.com

On Wed, 23 May 2001, Kris Holm wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It seems that most people getting into trials these days are using a
> mod-style uni. I’m just wondering, how many people out there doing
> trials are using a 24" wheel?
>
> I’ve chosen to stick with the 24" setup (with a lightweight slick 24x3"
> tire) because the Profile axle is so much stronger, and because I feel
> this setup is better for natural terrain trials (plus some urban stuff
> like gaps perpendicular to railings). Granted it’s not nearly as good
> for street freestyle.
>
> It’s interesting that this sport seems to be evolving into similar
> styles to bikes, ie. bmx, mod bike and stock bike styles.
>
> -Kris.
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/

system · May 25, 2001, 11:57am

Chris Reeder wrote:

> Kris, I’m riding a 26x3 for trials, although I would like to try
> downsizing to 24x3. Sometimes the 26x3 gets in the way of things, and I
> could use more “torque” for some maneuvers like hopping up inclines and
> dropping onto inclines. I put torque in parentheses because the torque
> is really the same, and it’s actually the force applied at the road that
> increases with a smaller wheel.
>
> I remember you used to ride 26x2.7. Did changing to a 24x3 affect your
> forward gapping any?
>
> Chris
>
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
> http://www.reeder.unicyclist.com
>
> On Wed, 23 May 2001, Kris Holm wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > It seems that most people getting into trials these days are using a
> > mod-style uni. I’m just wondering, how many people out there doing
> > trials are using a 24" wheel?
> >
> > I’ve chosen to stick with the 24" setup (with a lightweight slick
> > 24x3" tire) because the Profile axle is so much stronger, and because
> > I feel this setup is better for natural terrain trials (plus some
> > urban stuff like gaps perpendicular to railings). Granted it’s not
> > nearly as good for street freestyle.
> >
> > It’s interesting that this sport seems to be evolving into similar
> > styles to bikes, ie. bmx, mod bike and stock bike styles.
> >
> > -Kris.
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great
> > prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> >

why don’t you guys try a 20" tire. This would seem to give you even more
dexterity and finesse and also allow higher jumps. Draw back would be
short cranks. But it would -theoritically- significantly lighter than a
26x2.x or its equivalent, the 24x3.

George

Mt_Uni · May 25, 2001, 2:11pm

Kris,

I currently do Trials Uni on a 24" wheel.

I know what all of you will say, don’t do MUni and Trials Uni on a Miyata Delux, but when I started I did’nt know MUni existed so I got a street frame.

I have owned it since cristmas, and have all the original parts, thanks to my well educated technique. I have done repetitive drops and trials, and everything holds up, and even to 3.5’ drops!!!

I do hope to purchase a custom unicycle though, in about a year when i can afford it. It will be a Wilder MUni (Kris Holm designed) and I plan to use it for both MUni and Trials Uni with brakes on the frame (I know brakes won’t help Trials hardly at all), until I get another Uni for Trials only!

Evan

system · May 25, 2001, 1:31pm

George!

Great to hear from you. How’s the riding up in AK?

> why don’t you guys try a 20" tire. This would seem to give you even more
> dexterity and finesse and also allow higher jumps.

I have a 20" and my 26 x 2.6". For pure trials the 20" would seem to be
the logical machine. But I think most riders are looking for one machine
they can use for both trail riding and trials. I must admit most of my
hopping around has been on my 26", because that’s the one that goes on the
trail with me.

Also I guess you can’t use the unbreakable-type splined axles on a 20",
due to the lack of short enough cranks. But I think an axle on a 20" will
hold up better under the same riding. Why? I guess because it’s more air
volume in relation to the overall wheel diameter…?

Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

Frisbatarianism (n.), The belief that, when you die, your soul goes up on
the roof and gets stuck there.