When only the Best will do?

I am just getting into offroad uni, but I’ve learned the hard way that when
it comes to all things cycling I always end up wanting the best. I want to
save time and money this time and get it right from the start.

So I ask your expert advice: What are the best uni’s money can buy for
offroad riding. Are there any kewl xtra’s I’ll definitely want?

Thanks!

RE: When only the Best will do?

> So I ask your expert advice: What are the best uni’s money can
> buy for offroad riding. Are there any kewl xtra’s I’ll
> definitely want?

They’re all available at Unicycle.com. You pick. Let your budget, local
terrain, and riding style be your guide.

Brakes are a useful extra, if you ride long or steep downhills. They don’t
do much otherwise. My next new MUni will be the Wilder.

Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com

Howard Stern: “How many wheels does a unicycle have?”
The beautiful but vacant, recently-crowned Miss Howard Stern:
“…Four?”

No one can tell you what you want, but you might get more advice than you know what to do with. ;0) people always have great ways of spending someone else’s money… :0)

My advice, with which many people will disagree, would be to get something good but basic, ride it for a bit, and see what upgrades you would like. This has several advantages:

  1. If you find you don’t like muni, or can’t do as much as you’d like, you’ve not wasted money.
  2. If you trash it in a fit of enthusiasm and inexperience, you will have lost less.
  3. You will enjoy the anticipation of buying a new and better one.
  4. You will eventually have a spare for emergencies, or to lend to a friend.
  5. Your eventual purchase will be exactly what you want.

As for specification: I have a 26, and often wish it were a 24. I have put 170 mm cranks on which has made a real difference hillclimbing, but the pedaling action is less comfortable at speed. A 24 with 150 mm cranks would have about the same ‘gearing’ but would permit higher rpm.

But if you have a smaller wheel, you’ll need a fatter tyre to stop it sinking in the soft stuff, and to make it more resilient when bumping over obstacles.

I quite like the look of the Max Traction 24. Whatever you buy, though, enjoy it.

Re: When only the Best will do?

“wg Bradley” <wgb_llb@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I am just getting into off-road uni, but I’ve learned the hard way that
when
> it comes to all things cycling I always end up wanting the best. I want to
> save time and money this time and get it right from the start.
>
> So I ask your expert advice: What are the best uni’s money can buy for
> off-road riding. Are there any kewl extras I’ll definitely want?

There’s the Kris Holm one at unicycle.com. Hard to argue with the best
muniac in the world.

When you get into the higher priced Munis, you get into the profile hub. It has a tick or squeek or whatever others call it.
Some feel that after shelling out all that cash for the Profile hub, that they shouldn’t get the squeek. So, don’t be disappointed when this condition pops up. That assumes you go with the pricey “animal”. It is however, bomb proof.

Go with the Wilder if you can afford it. I would get one if I had the money. It is really light weight, but offers strength as well.
The KH (correct me if I am wrong) has a 2.5 lbs. frame and the Wilder I think is less than that. Weight has always been an issue for me. I would want to get as light as possible, yet maintain as strong a frame as possible.

If you want to glide in the hills, then the KH will work better than the Wilder due to the flat crown.

Cool extras - everyone raves about the carbon fiber air seat as a definate extra and of course the Gazz 3.0

24" or 26"? let someone who knows better, answer that one.

Work the maze, dude.:smiley:

Re: When only the Best will do?

thanks for all the food for thought folks!

“wg bradley” <wgb_llb@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I am just getting into offroad uni, but I’ve learned the hard way that
when
> it comes to all things cycling I always end up wanting the best. I want to
> save time and money this time and get it right from the start.
>
> So I ask your expert advice: What are the best uni’s money can buy for
> offroad riding. Are there any kewl xtra’s I’ll definitely want?
>
> Thanks!
>
>

I would start out with cheap cranks until you find the right length for you. Amazingly enough 5 mm can make a difference in cranks. Find the right length and then get a good set.

Re: When only the Best will do?

You want a nice frame, a 24x3" Gazz or equivalent tire, a nice air seat,
plus Magura HS33 brakes. Unicycle.com sells unicycles like this (or close).
You can customize it later with extras like a Reeder handle and a fancy
tiltable seatpost etc, but cruise around unicycle.com and see what they
have. Then call them up and discuss your needs.

—Nathan

“wg bradley” <wgb_llb@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gSgL8.1789$bX5.22680@newscontent-01.sprint.ca…
> I am just getting into offroad uni, but I’ve learned the hard way that
when
> it comes to all things cycling I always end up wanting the best. I want to
> save time and money this time and get it right from the start.
>
> So I ask your expert advice: What are the best uni’s money can buy for
> offroad riding. Are there any kewl xtra’s I’ll definitely want?
>
> Thanks!

Re: When only the Best will do?

Mikefule <Mikefule.5sbbb@timelimit.unicyclist.com>

> As for specification: I have a 26, and often wish it were a 24. I have
> put 170 mm cranks on which has made a real difference hillclimbing, but
> the pedaling action is less comfortable at speed. A 24 with 150 mm
> cranks would have about the same ‘gearing’ but would permit higher
> rpm.

But the higher rpm would translate in about the same speed, if not
slightly lower. I’m following this thread with interest as I plan to
buy a MUni shortly as well. I think I’ll go for 24" and 170 mm cranks.
Low speed but best hill climbing and controllability for bumpy
terrain, I think.

Klaas Bil

RE: When only the Best will do?

> You want a nice frame, a 24x3" Gazz or equivalent tire, a
> nice air seat, plus Magura HS33 brakes.

Good advice from Nathan, but on the brakes I’d have to say “It depends.”
I’ve ordered myself a new MUni (because none of mine fit a 3" tire except
the Steve Howard which isn’t mine, and will be auctioned off at UNICON).
It’s one that doesn’t come with brakes. Two reasons for this:

  1. I ordered the Wilder because it has the coolest MUni frame there is. The
    KH frame is cool if you plan to do one-footing or gliding, but I have other
    unicycles for that. Uh, the KH is also cool if you want brakes… :slight_smile:
  2. The Wilder frame wasn’t designed with brakes in mind, and they would not
    be easy to attach. Maybe on future models. If brakes were an available
    option, I probably would have ordered them. But I really like the Wilder
    frame design. I think I have a thing for alternative materials (I already
    have a carbon frame and a steel frame).

You only need brakes for steep hills. If you live in places like Michigan or
Long Island, where I lived before coming to CA, you’ll hardly ever get a
chance to use it, and it’ll just be extra weight.

When I go riding with Nathan on the trails in Santa Cruz (where the 2002
MUni Weekend will be), there are lots of opportunities to use a brake. There
are places in the Sacramento area where I could use one as well, though not
quite as many. Plus, next weekend we are tackling the Downieville Downhill,
riding about 4000’ downhill in about 18 miles. On this ride, I fear a brake
will be the difference between being a little sore and ultra-sore. So yes,
there are occasions where my riding will take me where a brake would be
nice. I could probably use one more than most people.

So check out your local trails. Steep? That will help you decide.

I highly respect Nathan’s opinion, which has made me question my choice of
the Wilder for my next MUni. But I have done fine so far without a brake, so
I’m sure I’ll be okay. Plus this will be my first MUni with cranks longer
than 150mm, so I’ll have more leverage than in the past!

Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com

Howard Stern: “How many wheels does a unicycle have?”
The beautiful but vacant, recently-crowned Miss Howard Stern:
“…Four?”

Re: When only the Best will do?

Regarding brakes vs no brakes, if we are talking about “only the Best”, and
offroad unicycling, it has to have brakes. It only took one ride for me to
decide that this was it. That ride involved 6000’ of descent and I was sore
for 3 days afterward even though I was in great shape. And the guy riding
with me was totally fine, leg-wise, since he had a brake.

And I forgot to mention, the “Best” Muni has a rim with a real braking
surface, probably an Alex DX32, but definitely not a Sun DoubleWide if you
value your ears.

If you know that you’re riding in areas that aren’t steep or only have short
descents (Toronto!), you can get by without a brake no problem. Lots of the
locals here don’t have brakes, but they don’t have the “Best” Muni.

—Nathan

John Foss, just wondering since you have so many unicycles and you said your other munis don’t fit a 3" tire.
Would you be willing to sell any of your lesser munis?
I don’t need anything with a 3" tire. I don’t plan on riding on any terrain that rough. I think I would be quite happy with a 2.6" tire or so. I think anything will be a step up from the 20" cyclepro I ride right now.

One thing with crank length is that the longer the arms are, the farther apart your legs are when you are hopping or balancing(crank arms in the 3 o’clock and 9’clock positions).

The Hunter, KH, Wilder, and Vortex are all good munis. They are all a solid ride. Any one of them would be a good choice. If you want a brake then go for the KH. If you don’t want a brake then go for the Wilder.

The Wilder is lighter and has a rounded crown that is friendly on the legs.

The KH has the best brake mount design and is very strong. The flat crown makes it possible to do one foot and gliding skills. However, the flat crown will also jab you in the leg. I have a KH and I sometimes finish a ride with a slight bruise on the inside of my calf due to rubbing against the flat crown. It’s not a big deal, and hasn’t bothered me. But a muni with a rounded crown would avoid that.

The Hunter and the Vortex are also both good muni frames.

But it’s the wheel, hub, and seat that make a muni. The frame is just there to hold the seat above the wheel. The most personal option will be customizing the seat to your liking. A carbon fiber seat with a Roach cover is the best thing currently available for a muni seat. A rail bracket and a good adjustable bicycle style seatpost is also a must. A Salsa seatpost clamp seems to work the best.

Pedals are a fun area to splurge on. The Atomic Laboratories Aircorp pedals are great for muni, but not the best choice if you are doing trials moves involving pedal grabs. The Aircorps are very grippy. I’ve been using them around Seattle during the wet muddy season and they have been great. My feet stay on the pedals better than any other pedal I’ve used. Go-Ride.com <http://www.go-ride.com/> has good prices on the AtomLabs stuff.

john_childs

RE: When only the Best will do?

> if we are talking about “only the Best”, and
> offroad unicycling, it has to have brakes.

Oh okay, I guess that’s right.

> And I forgot to mention, the “Best” Muni has a rim with
> a real braking surface, probably an Alex DX32, but
> definitely not a Sun DoubleWide if you value your ears.

This will be true until disks become an option. As of yet, nobody is making
that.

Stay on top,
JF

RE: When only the Best will do?

> John Foss, just wondering since you have so many unicycles
> and you said your other munis don’t fit a 3" tire.
> Would you be willing to sell any of your lesser munis?

Once I get my Wilder, I think my ATU will become a backup uni, and will see
little action. So I have a DMATU, and a “Piece 'o Schwinn” with a 26" wheel
crammed into a 24" frame.

I will not part with my carbon MUni, as it’s too unique. I’m not sure if I’m
ready to part with my DM yet. That unicycle has been very special for me as
well.

I’m generally bad at getting rid of unicycles…

When I got my new digital camera, I sold my old one right away to one of my
coworkers. Since then there have been several occasions where it would have
come in mighty handy… :slight_smile:

How much would you pay for a used DMATU? It has a Miyata seat on a custom
post that keeps the seat stiff.

OR

There’s another choice. You or anybody else can have the brand new Steve
Howard MUni I’m riding right now. I would like to allow people who cannot
attend UNICON the chance to bid on it as well. I will try to set up some
kind of online auction, with a deadline that’s before the conventions. The
winner of that auction will have to send me a check or other form of
payment, which I will hold until the end of UNICON. If someone at UNICON
bids higher, I will rip up the check. Otherwise, that person will win the
unicycle. It has a 3" tire though.

What do you think?

Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com

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Re: When only the Best will do?

In a message dated 6/6/02 11:36:23 PM, nathan@movaris.com writes:

<< Regarding brakes vs no brakes, if we are talking about “only the Best”, and
offroad unicycling, it has to have brakes. It only took one ride for me to
decide that this was it. That ride involved 6000’ of descent and I was sore
for 3 days afterward even though I was in great shape. And the guy riding
with me was totally fine, leg-wise, since he had a brake.

Living in the city i dont do much muni, i tend to be more of a trials rider.
adn i have never used a brake. However, i would imagine that managing
declines is just part of the fun?? If you have a brake, sure it makes it
easyer, but then what are you going to work on next time you ride?? I mean,
we’re not involved in this sport cause its easy, if we wanted it easy we
would have an extra weel attached at 21 speeds and disk brakes in front and
back and we would be called mountain bikers.

trevor andersen