Because there are GOOD public schools and there are BAD public schools. The national reading test scores are published, school by school and district by district. There are dramatic differences from eighborhood to neighborhood within NYC.
There are states in this nation that rank 49th and 50th in education. Arkansas is 49th. Compared with the rest of the nation, people who went to public school in Arkansas cannot read so well. Tennessee is up there too.
So you’re saying if I live in TN and cannot afford private school on my Wal-Mart salary, it’s my fault my child cannot read???
If that is what you’re saying, those TN parents could be charged with “educational neglect,” and we could place all those TN children in foster care in Massachusetts…
Personally, I’m for a solution that allows the children to remain in their parent’s home.
Billy
PS The “Red States,” which voted for Bush, tend to have the WORST educational ratings. Bush’s victory requires an uneducated electorate who cannot read, who rely on Fox TV as their news source. Don’t ask Republicans to fix the schools and disappear as a party.
Originally posted by JJuggle
The loss of good-paying jobs, especially in manufacturing, “has meant that the ‘hollowing out’ of the middle of the income distribution continued at a rapid pace,” the institute, a union-backed research group, concluded. It said the number of families earning between $35,000 and $150,000 declined by 50,000 from 2000 to 2003 while the number that earned above $150,000 and below $35,000 increased.
Compared with the poorest Manhattanites, those in the top fifth are disproportionately male, non-Hispanic white and married. Roughly equal proportions among rich and poor are employed by private profit-making companies and work in sales.
The lowest-income census tract in the city is a triangular patch of East Harlem east of First Avenue and north of East 119th Street, where, despite a hint of gentrification in a renovated brownstone or two, the neighborhood is dominated by the mammoth though generally well-tended public housing project called the Wagner Houses. The median household income there is $9,320, most of the residents are black or Hispanic and do not have high school degrees, 56 percent live below the poverty level and about one in 10 are foreign born.
Roughly equal proportions among rich and poor are employed by private profit-making companies and work in sales.
Roughly equal proportions among rich and poor are employed by private profit-making companies and work in sales.
Roughly equal proportions among rich and poor are employed by private profit-making companies and work in sales.
That’s ME!! I’m employed in sales at Wal-Mart, but I’m POOR!!! A lot of us in poverty are employed.
Why is it that everyone who is in poverty (like me) owns a Coker deluxe, a bomb-proof MUni, and a road 29"?? [No big screen here]
Fix it like the Democrats fixed New Orleans. Blue City, Blue State.
The test scores, are many time a reflection of two thing in my experience. 1. Parental Invovlement. 2. English as a first language.
In our area the schools were parents take an active interest in their kids education the scores are better. Schools were kids compare themsevles to the best scores are better. Schools were kids are looked at as “trying to be white” if they do well don’t have good scores.
The other schools that have poor scores, are the schools were every child speaks a different language. One of those schools in my area has a soccer team that represents something like 9 nations. Tough to teach students when they don’t speak the language. I just checked with someone, and that school has students from 80 Nations! I Blame Bush for that.
Oddly enough, Bugman, many immigrant groups are taking highly skilled jobs from natural born USAs. Haitians are generally in the middle class by their second generation here. Gifted classes are disproportionately Asian [in the Northeast, anyway]
Maybe down your way, immigrants are educationally neglected, but not here.
Flood control projects take money, which, unfortunately, Bush has been sending to Iraq at a $billion/day. Can’t blame the Democrats completely for THAT!
Glad you’re back in the thread, you hippy. I missed you!
Asians do perform well in general, but when you have 80 nations represented, it isn’t all asians. The imigrants also don’t alway perform as well on the language portion of the standardized tests, though they may do well on the math portion.
I wasn’t talking about the flood. I was talking about 200,000 dependents of the state, who were incapable of doing anything for themselves without the governments help. If the Dems have all the answers, why isn’t New Orleans the weathiest, best educated city in the country. You have your party to blame for the mess down there. From the lack of education, to the poor evacuation, to the lack of assistance being providedat the Superdome. The flood has nothing to do with any of the other issues.
The first part of your sentence is silly. The last part is dead on. “…it’s my fault my child cannot read.” (Barring a note from his/her doctor) yes, I’m agreeing with that portion.
Are you saying that only kids in private schools learn to read? My kids have attended Public Schools from day 1. They read beautifully. Their parents give a damn. If my kids were having trouble learning to read, I’d take an interest and focus on that problem. I wouldn’t sit around bellyaching and blaming Bush. Or Clinton. Or Truman. I’d work with my kid.
I’m saying, if you’re dumped in a situation where your child is not getting enough instruction at school…teach the kid to read or find someone who can.
Here too.
Those Asian kids know who their daddy is. And in the rare cases where they don’t, Mommy don’t take no lip. And Mommy and/or Daddy make them come home and finish their homework.
They are taught respect and discipline.
We can let this problem drag along and fester for another 50 or 60+ years. Or turn the elementary school system over to Nurse Cratchet tomorrow.
Stop puff-puffing around and hit the problem with a sledge hammer.
Billy, do you think the test scores would improve, decline or flatline with a super-hyper-strict elementary school system?
So your position is with a billion dollars a day New Orleans could make those 200,000 people well educated, productive members of society?
I thought we already established that throwing money at the problem was not the cure for poverty. In general the Private schools spend less per student than any of the Public schools in Georgia. Teachers in Private schools make less as well. Money isn’t the answer. Teacher pay isn’t the answer.
In my son’s school, from the age of 4 to the age of 6, they bring thier school books home and are expected to read them at home every night. Parents are also expected to read with them when they first go into school in the morining. Compared to the amount of reading they do with the teacher, parents do much much more work with the child. Which is fine, if the parent is calm and has the time and energy to do it.
If the parent is tired, short tempered, works until 7 oclock at night, can’t read themselves, is too tired or just can’t be bothered, the child is at an immediate and unrecoverable disadvantage.
I would like to see schools as places that reduce the difference in sucess between children who’s parents are too knackered (the poor) or parents who don’t give a damn and those that do. School should be an equalising factor in children’s lives not a force that widens the difference.
Equalizing in the way of opportunity. You don’t want to punish children that excel, but instead focus on making sure every child is given the opportunity to excel in whatever way works best for them. If they don’t have parents that are going to help them, then the teaching method needs to be different for those children.
Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the neutron bomb
It’s nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home¡_
The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight
Gonna
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor _tonight
Behold the sparkle of champagne
The crime rate’s gone
Feel free again
O’ life’s a dream with you, miss lily white
Jane fonda on the screen today
Convinced the liberals it’s okay
So let’s get dressed and dance away the night
While they_
Kill kill kill kill kill the poor _tonight
Or a small bomb that cracks the levy and floods the prrer part of NO instead of the french district. At least that’s one conspiracy theory that I’ve heard.
Will you accept a Check? -we’re sorta running a weeee bit of a deficit right now. Uh… and if you could hold off on cashing it untill 2008… or 9, thanks.
yeah, i read about that
the first incarnation of that story simply suggested that the levee(s) got blown up
the bit about trying to save the French Quaret was added two days later
I missed you!