Unicon 11

Just got back from a planning meeting for this event.
At this point we have 329 registrations turned in, all but 67 of these are
competitors. If you haven’t sent your registration in and plan on attending,
Please either send it in or let us know if you are coming. We need to get these
numbers up! We reallly don’t want alot of on-site late registrations. It takes
a bit of time inputing the data.( this also goes for NAUCC)
We haven’t heard from Japan, Denmark, France or alot of USA riders.

Barb K.

Re: Unicon 11

I (with my family) am planning on attending as a non-competitor. I have not
submitted a registration for two reasons.

  1. The forms are long, somewhat confusing and I became frustrated when
    attemtping to register.

  2. I found no compelling reason to pay to register. I am not a rich man
    and this trip is going to cost my family over $2000. As I understand it the
    registration fee covers things like meals and transportation and the closing
    party. I won’t be there for the closing party and I’m taking care of the
    other items myself. Additionally I’m only going to be there for a couple
    of days. If there is some other compelling reason for me to register I’ll
    gladly do it, I just couldn’t see any benefit (to me and my family) in doing
    so.

I hope that I don’t sound like a cheap bastard, but I’ve really stretched my
budget to the limits to attend.

-mg

p.s. I have not attended any previous NAUCC (NUC) or UNICON so I am
unfamiliar with what to expect. Therefore I had planned on registering
on-site if I found that I was “left-out” of things. Also, my kids are young
(2, 4 and 6) and I don’t understand what I’m actually paying for when I
spend $250 to register my entire family.

"Barb " <unicyclers@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020501022850.13715.00006993@mb-da.aol.com
> Just got back from a planning meeting for this event.
> At this point we have 329 registrations turned in, all but 67 of these are
> competitors. If you haven’t sent your registration in and plan on
attending,
> Please either send it in or let us know if you are coming. We need to get
these
> numbers up! We reallly don’t want alot of on-site late registrations. It
takes
> a bit of time inputing the data.( this also goes for NAUCC)
> We haven’t heard from Japan, Denmark, France or alot of USA riders.
>
> Barb K.

Re: Unicon 11

>I (with my family) am planning on attending as a non-competitor. I have not
>submitted a registration for two reasons.

The reason to register is to be able to ride. Insurance being what it is, there
is no way you or your family will be allowed to mount your unicycles at any of
the venues if you have not paid and registered.

I am not a member of the organizing committee, but I’ve organized enough
bicycle events to know how insurance and liability works.

Please register. Otherwise, the event won’t work.

David Maxfield
Bainbridge Island, WA

Re: Unicon 11

“Maxfield D” <maxfieldd@aol.com> wrote
> The reason to register is to be able to ride. Insurance being what it is,
there
> is no way you or your family will be allowed to mount your unicycles at
any of
> the venues if you have not paid and registered.
>
> I am not a member of the organizing committee, but I’ve organized enough
> bicycle events to know how insurance and liability works.

While I appreciate your input I have already spoken with Tom Daniels (I
believe he’s the chairman of the organizing committee) and was told that
registration is optional for non-competitors. While there are benefits to
registering (inter-venue transportation and closing party/dinner being the
two that come to mind) it is apparently not “required” to observe (and even
participate in) the non-competitive events. To compete you obviously must
register.

> Please register. Otherwise, the event won’t work.
Can someone explain why me not registering will cause UNICON to “not work”?

-mg

Re: Re: Unicon 11

I’m sympathetic with your phiscal situation, and I wouldn’t be inclined to pay for services-not-rendered; however, in addition to insurance, there are host of other expences, without which there would be no event. Ponying up the cash says “I’m glad this event is happening, and I want to make sure it happens again.”

If you are concerned about the frugal and efficient use of the funds you supply, become involved in the planing and execution of the event.

The cost of maintaining a family can be formidible -but is something you signed on for (3 times), along with the reward. I’m not crying in my root bear, overhere.

Christopher

Re: Unicon 11

Michael,

On Wed, 1 May 2002 13:07:42 -0600, “Michael Grant”
<michael_j_grant@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>While I appreciate your input I have already spoken with Tom Daniels (I
>believe he’s the chairman of the organizing committee) and was told that
>registration is optional for non-competitors. While there are benefits to
>registering (inter-venue transportation and closing party/dinner being the
>two that come to mind) it is apparently not “required” to observe (and even
>participate in) the non-competitive events. To compete you obviously must
>register.
>

Registration is not optional for UNICON 11 non-competitors. A
non-competitor enjoys privileges not extended to non-registered (i.e.,
non-paying) spectators. I believe you have added, “(and even to
participate) the non-competitive events,” to what I told you on the
telephone. As David said, there are severe liability issues involved.

Let me clarify: If you are not registered as a UNICON 11 competitor or
a non-competitor, you may not:

  1. Attend workshops;

  2. Participate in, “fun rides,” that are organized as an official part
    of the UNICON 11 program;

  3. Ride your unicycle in any of the UNICON gyms, on the Issaquah High
    School track, at the Summit Hiking and Biking Center (the MUni venue),
    or in the Southwest Airlines Torchlight Parade at SEAFAIR;

  4. Participate in any other non-competitive events on the UNICON 11
    schedule;

  5. Use the inter-venue transportation system; or

  6. Attend the closing parties.

The only things you can do as a non-paying spectator is to sit / stand
in the designated spectator areas (e.g., the stands in the artistic
gym) and watch the competitions.

>
>Can someone explain why me not registering will cause UNICON to “not work”?
>

Organizing, planning and executing an international event the
magnitude of a UNICON is hugely expensive. Facilities, liability
insurance, etc. are not cheap The entire financial risk is placed on
the shoulders of the local organizing committee. The USA and the IUF
do not have any resources to cover deficits.

Early registrations were much lower than anticipated, especially from
the USA. As of today, we have 144 competitors (64 from our own Panther
Pride Demo Team) and 28 non-competitors (eight from PPDT) registered
for NAUCC 2002. We have 262 competitors (51 from PPDT) and 67
non-competitors (nine from PPDT) registered for UNICON 11.

Many of our costs are fixed; that is, they are not scalable based on
the number of registrations. The budget for the two events has already
been scaled back as far as possible to account for the reduced
numbers.

We, too, have a large, “family.” The PPDT have traveled to many
similar events. For example, 36 PPDT members (about half of them
non-competitors) flew to Toronto, rented five mini-vans, paid for
hotel rooms and paid for meals and other incidentals last summer for
NUC 2001. My wife and I and some of the other non-competitors
registered as competitors (neither Karen nor I ride, and we do not
have children) because we chose to support the Toronto Unicyclists. It
was a personal decision we made. We knew, from our experience with
participating in the organization of NUC 1999, how much the local
organizing committee would appreciate our financial support.

The future of NAUCC and UNICON depends solely on riders and others
supporting the efforts of future local organizing committees by both
registering and volunteering their time to help plan, organize and run
the events.

Tom

Thomas A. Daniels
President and Communications Director
Northwest Committee for Unicycling Events, Incorporated
Post Office Box 790
North Bend, Washington USA 98045-0790
+01.425.831.4906
fax +01.425.831.4907
mobile +01.425.785.5661
tadaniels@centurytel.net
http://www.nwcue.org

Re: Unicon 11

Michael Grant <michael_j_grant@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Please register. Otherwise, the event won’t work.
> Can someone explain why me not registering will cause UNICON to “not work”?
> -mg

People who don’t register, but expect to take part in the workshops and
social stuff are free loading on the backs of the rest of us who do
register. Events like this cost money to run, as well as the time put in
for free by so many people. Halls for workshops cost.

Its a shame there isn’t a day ticket price for non competitors which might
have suited you better, but frankly 50 dollars for up to 10 days of
workshops and social stuff is peanuts. I understand you not wanting to
register the younger kids who won’t get anything out of it, but if you
want to partake of workshops you ought to do the decent thing and
contribute to the events running costs.

If not enough funds are found " up-front" from pre registrations some
events might not be able to go ahead as the organisers will not be able to
afford to hire the facillites to run those events.

Sarah

Eurocycle 2002, Bremen, May 31st-June 2nd
The European Unicycle Event of the year.
http://www.eurocycle.org

Good responses on this thread,

Re: Unicon 11

Thank you Tom, for clarifying. This is EXACTLY what I needed to know.
Having this information makes it clear to me that, since I intend to do 1,
2, 3, and 4, I will need to register as a non-competitor.

I truly do appreciate all the work that is going into putting on these
events and I hope that this discussion will make clear to others what was
not initially obvious to me.

So, count me in!

-mg

> Let me clarify: If you are not registered as a UNICON 11 competitor or
> a non-competitor, you may not:
>
> 1) Attend workshops;
>
> 2) Participate in, “fun rides,” that are organized as an official part
> of the UNICON 11 program;
>
> 3) Ride your unicycle in any of the UNICON gyms, on the Issaquah High
> School track, at the Summit Hiking and Biking Center (the MUni venue),
> or in the Southwest Airlines Torchlight Parade at SEAFAIR;
>
> 4) Participate in any other non-competitive events on the UNICON 11
> schedule;
>
> 5) Use the inter-venue transportation system; or
>
> 6) Attend the closing parties.
>
> The only things you can do as a non-paying spectator is to sit / stand
> in the designated spectator areas (e.g., the stands in the artistic
> gym) and watch the competitions.
>
> >
> >Can someone explain why me not registering will cause UNICON to “not
work”?
> >
>
> Organizing, planning and executing an international event the
> magnitude of a UNICON is hugely expensive. Facilities, liability
> insurance, etc. are not cheap The entire financial risk is placed on
> the shoulders of the local organizing committee. The USA and the IUF
> do not have any resources to cover deficits.
>
> Early registrations were much lower than anticipated, especially from
> the USA. As of today, we have 144 competitors (64 from our own Panther
> Pride Demo Team) and 28 non-competitors (eight from PPDT) registered
> for NAUCC 2002. We have 262 competitors (51 from PPDT) and 67
> non-competitors (nine from PPDT) registered for UNICON 11.
>
> Many of our costs are fixed; that is, they are not scalable based on
> the number of registrations. The budget for the two events has already
> been scaled back as far as possible to account for the reduced
> numbers.
>
> We, too, have a large, “family.” The PPDT have traveled to many
> similar events. For example, 36 PPDT members (about half of them
> non-competitors) flew to Toronto, rented five mini-vans, paid for
> hotel rooms and paid for meals and other incidentals last summer for
> NUC 2001. My wife and I and some of the other non-competitors
> registered as competitors (neither Karen nor I ride, and we do not
> have children) because we chose to support the Toronto Unicyclists. It
> was a personal decision we made. We knew, from our experience with
> participating in the organization of NUC 1999, how much the local
> organizing committee would appreciate our financial support.
>
> The future of NAUCC and UNICON depends solely on riders and others
> supporting the efforts of future local organizing committees by both
> registering and volunteering their time to help plan, organize and run
> the events.
>
>
> Tom
>
>
> Thomas A. Daniels
> President and Communications Director
> Northwest Committee for Unicycling Events, Incorporated
> Post Office Box 790
> North Bend, Washington USA 98045-0790
> +01.425.831.4906
> fax +01.425.831.4907
> mobile +01.425.785.5661
> tadaniels@centurytel.net
> http://www.nwcue.org

RE: Unicon 11

Thank you Michael Grant for explaining in detail a question that has been
asked by many people, not only this year but in the past as well. This
response is to all the people wondering about how much it costs to go to
these things. This is long, but if you’re planning to go to NAUCC or UNICON,
you should read it all.

> 1. The forms are long, somewhat confusing and I became
> frustrated when attemtping to register.

Sorry about that. Part of this is a result of combined conventions, which no
one has ever attempted before. We will learn from this experience how to
make more user-friendly ways to register, and provide more and better
information in the future, especially for people who are attending for the
first time.

> 2. I found no compelling reason to pay to register. I am
> not a rich man and this trip is going to cost my family
> over $2000.

For $2000 your family can have a very nice visit to the Seattle area. You
can see the Space Needle, watch the Seafair Parade, take a tour at Boeing
and see the aircraft museum, etc. You can also see the beautiful Snoqualmie
Falls, ride through a very long former railway tunnel, and ride downhill
trails at the Snoqualmie Summit.

You can do this anytime during the year. What you cannot do, ever, is go to
a unicycle convention.
*** UNLESS SOMEONE CREATES ONE ***

If you choose to attend, this is what you are paying for.

Our conventions in the USA were originally called “meets”, and were very
modest in the early days. You got what you paid for. There were less than
100 riders, we raced at a high school track or in a parking lot, and had
artistic competition in the gym. You stayed wherever you wanted, and some
years could even sleep in the gym.

Over the years, our events have grown. The skill level of competitors has
gone through several roofs, and the minimum requirements for competition
venues has continued to get more complicated. Now we have electronic timing,
higher-quality track requirements, multiple gyms, MUni venues, road races,
and many other events that were not part of the schedule in the old days.
Also the number of competitors has grown, forcing the schedule to take up
more and more days. This multiplies the cost of the venues.

As an example, the liability insurance for NAUCC/UNICON is estimated at
$6000.00. I don’t know if this particular cost even existed in the early
70’s when we started. This applies to everyone who rides a unicycle at a
convention, not just competitors.

Different countries have different ways of paying for sports. The USA is at
a disadvantage, as sports are almost entirely self-supporting. In most other
industrialized countries, sports are heavily supported by the government.
This means that in other countries it’s easier to apply for, and get free
access to gyms, athletic facilities (tracks) and other venues. At UNICON IV
in Puerto Rico, we even had free room and board.

To do the same in the US usually requires a huge fund-raising and
sponsorship effort, which is beyond the capabilities of the average (or even
above-average) unicycle club. So the costs have to be passed along to the
people who benefit from the whole thing, the attendees.

Riders (competitors) get the awards, so the competitors pay a higher
registration fee, based on the (large) cost of those awards. Non-competitors
basically benefit from everything else, from the electronic timing (racing
is entertaining for spectators as well as racers) all the way down to the
fact that there will be a roof over our heads.

Some costs don’t apply to everybody, but have been included into an overall
registration for simplicity. Such as buses. Most of the people riding the
buses will have traveled overseas to get to the convention, on average
spending a great deal more than us Americans. We’re helping them out.
Collecting money for separate services requires a lot of extra time and
manpower, which will both be in short supply.

Your ID badge will be your ticket into all the venues, and presumably onto
the bus. Very simple. It will be important to wear them, or at least have
them with you, to get into the places. This is how the organizers will know
who is registered. I may be wrong, but I believe that in cases such as Mr.
Grants, where there are three (non-unicycling?) kids, the organizers would
not require them to register. The registration should apply only to people
who intend to attend workshops, or ride unicycles at any of the venues.

In addition, all attendees at NAUCC are required to be members of the
Unicycling Society of America. I would apply this in the same way as above,
only to people who will attend workshops or ride unicycles at the
convention.

Many people are unable to attend the whole NAUCC or UNICON. If these types
of events were better money makers, we could afford to charge partial
registration fees. But this would then require multiple types of badges, and
create other problems. Instead, since it will be hard enough not to lose
money, everybody pays the same registration and retains the option to stay
for the whole event. Some day we will be able to afford to do more. These
conventions are entirely funded by the hosting organizations, and not by the
USA or IUF, which have minimal budgets.

I offer my personal apologies to the people who are unable to attend the
whole event, or who can’t afford to come in the first place. I cannot speak
to peoples’ individual financial limitations. But as a general rule, I can
offer this advice for convention attendees:

If you can afford to get to the event, but you can’t
afford to register, you probably shouldn’t go.

It’s as simple as that. Not everyone can afford to go to these things. Some
people are more fanatical than others, and will show up with empty gas tanks
and no money in their pockets. I don’t know how they get home (or eat), but
these people tend to have more fun than the rest of us. If you have a family
(or pay your own rent or mortgage), you probably have to plan a little bit
better.

But look on the bright side. What other sport is this cheap to compete in,
at the world level? How about a ticket to one event at the Olympics? Or at
the Superbowl? I’m aware of none where you can do as many things, and have
as much fun as unicycling.

What do you get if you’re not competing? You still get the whole convention.
The #1 reason why most of us keep coming back every year (or two years for
UNICON) is the people. Where else can you meet, watch, interact with, and
learn from so many people with similar interests? Even between riders who
don’t speak a common language there is this bond. We understand each other.
Everybody should go to an event like this sometime in their lives. You will
meet people who may remain your friends for life, even if you only see them
once every few years. You can never experience anything similar by riding
locally.

None of this happens without the expenditure of thousands of volunteer
hours, and the expenditure of lots of money. Some years more than others.
The group hosting this years conventions has one already under their belt,
the 1999 NUC. It was beautifully done, especially for a group hosting their
first one. I think they will put on a very nice show for us this summer.

I have mentioned this to people for a while and I’ll say it again. all
indications point to the prediction that this will be the largest unicycling
event ever to take place in North America. Don’t miss it! I’m sure you will
find your money was well spent.

For all of the reasons above, people should register as early as possible.
Not only will you save some money, you will also save a lot of time when you
arrive. In addition, you will help the organizers to pay their bills on
time, and save the volunteer effort of onsite registration people.

Stay on top,
John Foss
President, Unicycling Society of America
President, International Unicycling Federation
jfoss@unicycling.com