Ultimate Wheeling

Hello,

I recently constructed a 20" UW with the equivalent of 5" cranks. I
kept the pedals really close to the center of the wheel, 2" from pedal
hole to hole. So far I have succeeded in tearing up my calves and
making my knees sore.

Does anyone have any thoughts on what wheel size/crank length is ideal
for learning?

I've found there's some UW information on the net, though not as much
as I had hoped. I'm sure the best way to learn is to get on the thing
instead of running my mouse, but if you have any secrets on learning
the UW I would be very appreciative.

Thanks,

George C. Barnes IV President ISU Unicycling Club

wearing jeans prevents your calves from getting torn up. the trouble with that is once you start to sweat its terrible uncomfortable.

as far as technique all i can say is stand up straight, look forward, and go fast. er what seems fast anyway. also i find it nice to wear high tops with thick ankle support and try to stabilize wheel with ankles.

> as far as technique all i can say is stand up straight, look forward,
> and go fast. er what seems fast anyway. also i find it nice to wear high
> tops with thick ankle support and try to stabilize wheel with ankles.

Good advice. I have also heard from members of the Twin Cities Unicycle
Club that it helps to crouch slightly. That is, to keep your knees a
little bent rather than trying to extend fully as you pedal. This has
worked for me, and I’m still not an ultimate wheel expert.

Silicone spray or other lubricant can be applied to the sides of the
tire, not necessarily your legs. Just try to keep it off the tread. I
think a protectant like Armor-All might work also, and at least it’s made
for use on tires.

Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

“Never take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night” –
good advice

<snip> I’m sure the best way to learn is to get on the thing instead of
running my mouse, but if you have any secrets on learning the UW I would
be very appreciative.

**

My 2c worth. The most usefull piece of equipment in learning to ride an
ultimate wheel is leg protection.

When I first tried riding one I was in shorts and sand papered the skin
off the inside of my legs. Couldn’t practice for two weeks :frowning:

I have tried the following froms of protection, roughly in order of
increasing usefullness:

Jeans: hot but provide more protection than trousers.

Shin pads: better than jeans but you need to reposition them every minute
or so. Note that you where the shin pads so that they sit on the inside of
your calves rather than your shins.

Neoprene rubber: I got some wet suit off cuts for next to nothing, cut the
ends off two old socks and used them to hold the wetsuit material onto my
legs. Cheap alternative to leg armour.

Wrap around Leg armour: hot but there is no pain and not as much
repositioning. Only downside is it costs lots and the UW is rather hard on
it.

Note I would also recommend wearing hi tops, your ankles are very likely
to suffer and a bad landing could leave you with a nasty sprain.

I have also heard of people using silicon spray or some other lubricant on
their legs to reduce the friction.

Re wheel size, I found a 24" UW easy to ride than a 20".

Re learning, learning to ride seat out in front helps, especially if you
try to use your hand as little as possible (try seat out in front with
just 2 fingers).

Otherwise you just have to get on the thing and go for it. I found it
virtually impossible to work your way along a wall, you just have to let
go and go for it. Be encouraged though that it isn’t as impossible as it
first feels. I got good progress after a few hours.

o o Peter Bier o O o Juggler, unicyclist and mathematician.
j/|\o peter_bier@usa.net

On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:38:03 -0500, “George Barnes”
<gbarnes82@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
> I recently constructed a 20" UW with the equivalent of 5" cranks. I
> kept the pedals really close to the center of the wheel, 2" from
> pedal hole to hole.

I am confused. With the equivalent of 5" cranks, the pedals should be 10"
apart. But then what’s with the 2"? Has that to do with the thickness of
the wheel, i.e. the left-right distance?

Klaas Bil

“To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has been picked
automagically from a database:” “Dani Halutz, marijuana, cannabis”

Yes, if the pedals were both down (or up) as on a kangaroo, they would be
2" apart horizontally.


George C. Barnes IV President ISU Unicycling Club

“Klaas Bil” <klaasbil_remove_the_spamkiller_@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:3b38ff15.2308101@newszilla.xs4all.nl
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:38:03 -0500, “George Barnes”
> <gbarnes82@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> > I recently constructed a 20" UW with the equivalent of 5" cranks. I
> > kept the pedals really close to the center of the wheel, 2" from
> > pedal
hole
> >to hole.
>
> I am confused. With the equivalent of 5" cranks, the pedals should be
> 10" apart. But then what’s with the 2"? Has that to do with the
> thickness of the wheel, i.e. the left-right distance?
>
> Klaas Bil
> –
> "To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has
> been picked
automagically from a database:"
> “Dani Halutz, marijuana, cannabis”

I really luv my UW in the winter! I can wear enough gear to cover my legs
& but yet it’s not too hot.

Now I only wear nylon soccer socks (at least these stay up) but
definitely high tops or some ankle protection is a plus cause I just
blistered my ankle.

Last year at the EJC this Frenchman brought the coolest off center
kangaroo unicycle). He also had these chaps (for shins). They cost $60 &
seem to work well. though not finished, I cut off some old suede boots at
ankle & am gong to attach velcro. This way I can let others try my wheel &
not have to wear my socks ;). Several years ago I met a Russian who was
w/the circus & also did UW. He demonstrated jumping from one wheel to
another (his friend was the one who performed w/Ringling BB). He had these
leather custom boots made that went up to his knees.

Uni-versally yours, Unicycle Lady http://users.aol.com/unilady/ “A Smile
is a Wondrous Thing”

Coolly enough, I am just learning to ultimate wheel too. Last week I spent
about half an hour with it and got so I was able to ride over 30
revolutions down the driveway. I wore jeans, which were hot, but
necessary. I had to stop after half an hour though because my legs were
killing me! And the next day when I tried to ride it, I couldn’t because
my legs were lighting up with pain wherever the wheel touched. Now that my
bruises have faded, I tried again today and was able to freemount.

So: wear jeans and probably even more than that!

Can you eventually get good enough so you can ride it with bare legs
without it hurting?

Tammy http://MarshT.tripod.com

>wearing jeans prevents your calves from getting torn up. the trouble with
>that is once you start to sweat its terrible uncomfortable.
>
>as far as technique all i can say is stand up straight, look forward, and
>go fast. er what seems fast anyway. also i find it nice to wear high tops
>with thick ankle support and try to stabilize wheel with ankles.


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Tammy Marsh wrote:

>
> Can you eventually get good enough so you can ride it with bare legs
> without it hurting?

In One Wheel-No Limit, some of the riders rode dragging the seat on the
floor which is basically UWing. Most were wearing shorts.

Tammy Marsh wrote:
> I wore jeans, which were hot, but necessary. I had to stop after half an
> hour though because my legs were killing me!

I learnt wearing shorts.

I wasn’t up to trying it again for a couple of days afterwards though.
Jeans are good for learning, chaps even better.


Danny Colyer (remove your.mind to reply)
http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/danny.html “The secret of life is
honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made” -
Groucho Marx

That’s clear as an explanation. It made me wonder whether kangaroo UW’s do
exist and would be rideable. I think the most difficult part would be to
get going.

Klaas Bil

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:24:04 -0500, “George Barnes”
<gbarnes82@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Yes, if the pedals were both down (or up) as on a kangaroo, they would be
>2" apart horizontally.
>
>
>–
>George C. Barnes IV President ISU Unicycling Club
>
>
>“Klaas Bil” <klaasbil_remove_the_spamkiller_@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
>news:3b38ff15.2308101@newszilla.xs4all.nl
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:38:03 -0500, “George Barnes”
>> <gbarnes82@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hello,
>> >
>> > I recently constructed a 20" UW with the equivalent of 5" cranks.
>> > I kept the pedals really close to the center of the wheel, 2" from
>> > pedal
>hole
>> >to hole.
>>
>> I am confused. With the equivalent of 5" cranks, the pedals should be
>> 10" apart. But then what’s with the 2"? Has that to do with the
>> thickness of the wheel, i.e. the left-right distance?
>>
>> Klaas Bil
>> –
>> "To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has
>> been picked
>automagically from a database:"
>> “Dani Halutz, marijuana, cannabis”
>
>


“To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has been picked
automagically from a database:” “FBI, Bagdad, Zyklon B”

Greetings

In message “Re: Ultimate Wheeling”, Bruce Edwards wrote…
>
>
>Tammy Marsh wrote:
>
>>
>> Can you eventually get good enough so you can ride it with bare legs
>> without it hurting?

In the initial stages it does hur because the wheel is moved back and
forth sideways and rubbed against the legs to keep balance. In a way, the
more lateral movement, the easier it is to balance. But once you get good
you can ride with the wheel fairly vertical and not much contact with the
legs. Of course is still a strain on your leg muscles. Bur even after yo
uget good, doing it in your shorts is not a good idea. A minimal amount of
rubbing will alwwys be necessary, I think.

>
>In One Wheel-No Limit, some of the riders rode dragging the seat on the
>floor which is basically UWing. Most were wearing shorts.
>

Stay on top, Jack Halpern, IUF Vice President Website:
http://www.kanji.org

As long as the thread is going, I’ll put in my questions.

What recommendations do people have for wheel sizes and pedal positions? I
currently have a 26" wheel (from an old bike). I love my 20" unicycle…
would it stand to reason a 20" uw would work better in that case?

How about seat drag? Is it like riding an UW, or are they two
different skills?

Jeff Lutkus


Free e-Mail and Webspace - http://Unicyclist.com

> a Russian who was w/the circus & also did UW. He demonstrated jumping
> from one wheel to another (his friend was the one who performed
> w/Ringling BB). He had these leather custom boots made that went up to
> his knees.

So that’s why he had those boots! See a 1990 picture of the guy who
later performed UW in the Ringling show:
http://www.unicycling.com/cgi-bin/genin.pl?=pictext/cccp.txt,11

Enjoy, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com www.unicycling.com

“Never take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night” –
good advice

> a Russian who was w/the circus & also did UW. He demonstrated jumping
> from one wheel to another (his friend was the one who performed
> w/Ringling BB). He had these leather custom boots made that went up to
> his knees.

So that’s why he had those boots! See a 1990 picture of the guy who
later performed UW in the Ringling show:
http://www.unicycling.com/cgi-bin/genin.pl?=pictext/cccp.txt,11

Enjoy, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com www.unicycling.com

“Never take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night” –
good advice

> a Russian who was w/the circus & also did UW. He demonstrated jumping
> from one wheel to another (his friend was the one who performed
> w/Ringling BB). He had these leather custom boots made that went up to
> his knees.

So that’s why he had those boots! See a 1990 picture of the guy who
later performed UW in the Ringling show:
http://www.unicycling.com/cgi-bin/genin.pl?=pictext/cccp.txt,11

Enjoy, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com www.unicycling.com

“Never take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night” –
good advice

> a Russian who was w/the circus & also did UW. He demonstrated jumping
> from one wheel to another (his friend was the one who performed
> w/Ringling BB). He had these leather custom boots made that went up to
> his knees.

So that’s why he had those boots! See a 1990 picture of the guy who
later performed UW in the Ringling show:
http://www.unicycling.com/cgi-bin/genin.pl?=pictext/cccp.txt,11

Enjoy, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com www.unicycling.com

“Never take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night” –
good advice

Greetings

In message “Re: Ultimate Wheeling”, Jeff Lutkus wrote…
>As long as the thread is going, I’ll put in my questions.
>
>What recommendations do people have for wheel sizes and pedal positions?
>I currently have a 26" wheel
(from an old bike). I love my 20" unicycle… would it stand to reason a
20" uw would work better in that case?

It depends on your leg size and such factors. I experimented with
varuious sizes and crank lengths and found that 24" with 5.5" cranks work
best. Yuichiro Kato, probably one of the best UW riders in the world
(hopping, “one” foot, jump mount to regular uni, etc.) use 22" with
probably 5" cranks.

>How about seat drag? Is it like riding an UW, or are they two
>different skills?
>
>Jeff Lutkus
>
>_____________________________________________________________
>Free e-Mail and Webspace - http://Unicyclist.com
>

Stay on top, Jack Halpern, IUF Vice President Website:
http://www.kanji.org

> Can you eventually get good enough so you can ride it with bare legs
> without it hurting?
At the NUC in seatle durring the parade compition I saw george peck riding
his UW. His legs weren’t even touching the wheel. one of the coolest
things that I have ever seen.

peter

> Tammy http://MarshT.tripod.com

Not only that, but he rode it for the whole parade, so casually it was
sick. And up and down curbs too…

—Nathan

<nyfpet@bethel.edu> wrote in message
news:993764217.3b3ba379d470e@webmail.acad.bethel.edu
>
> > Can you eventually get good enough so you can ride it with bare legs
> > without it hurting?
> At the NUC in seatle durring the parade compition I saw george peck
> riding his UW. His legs weren’t even touching the wheel. one of the
> coolest things that I have ever seen.
>
> peter
>
> > Tammy http://MarshT.tripod.com