U.S.A.

I sent in my club’s first membership fee to the Unicycling Society of America in
NOVEMBER, and I havn’t heard Jack Shit since then. No newsletters, no magazine,
squat. The check I sent in did get cashed immediately, but I got no mail saying
“Welcome to the club,” or “Thanks for your money, but we only do stuff in
October so you’ll have to sit on your ass for the next 11 months,” nothing.

I realize that this mailing list is unaccoustomed to flame, but I feel like
I got shafted, and I think some of you unics might have more information
than I have.

Please send responces to jfrinier@megaweapon.st.hmc.edu

Thanks, and please pardon the flame,

–Jim Frinier President of Gonzo Unicycle Madness (membership 55)

Re: U.S.A.

I sent in my $15 in January and recieved my membership card and introductory
info today. Did NOT get a copy of On One Wheel. :frowning:

Andy Arhelger andya5@aol.com

Re: U.S.A.

Jim Frinier wrote >
>
> I feel like I
> got shafted,
> and I think
> some of you
> unics might
> have more
> information
> than I have.
>
> Thanks, and please pardon the flame,
>
> --Jim Frinier President of Gonzo Unicycle Madness (membership 55)
>
I have had the exact same experience – no response, though my check was cashed.
I’d appreciate any info anyone could provide as well.

Steve


Steve Nash | Computer Sciences Corporation snash@nas.nasa.gov | NASA Ames
Research Center, M/S T27B-2
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Re: U.S.A.

Hang in there–the new OOW should be out very soon.


Stephen A. Cernkovich / Bowling Green State University Department of Sociology /
Bowling Green, Ohio 43403 Office Phone:419-372-2743 / Home Phone:419-352-3933
FAX:419-372-8306 / Internet:scernko@bgnet.bgsu.edu

On Tue, 28 Mar 1995 Andya5@aol.com wrote:

> I sent in my $15 in January and recieved my membership card and introductory
> info today. Did NOT get a copy of On One Wheel.
>
> Andy Arhelger andya5@aol.com
>

Re: U.S.A. (fwd)

Hello all, This is Andy Cotter, VP of USA. I am the one to blame for the
lateness of the USA welcome packets and cards getting out to new and renewed
members. Learning the process of how everything gets done was harder and took
longer than I anticipated. My goal for the future is to turn around any packets
that I get from the USA PO box much quicker (two weeks).

For your information, the OOW is at the printers. It will be in the mail next
Friday. Your copy will be delivered however long bulk mail takes to deliver it
to your doorstep.

Since the USA officers are volunteers, we respond much better to suggestions and
reminders than someone slamming us outright. If you do not like something or
feel we make a mistake, by all means let us know but please use tastefull
consideration.

Below is the initial message complaining about USA officers and the response my
sister (Constance Cotter) wrote.

  • This is the ‘official’ USA response to this message…
  • According to James C. Frinier:
    • I sent in my club’s first membership fee to the Unicycling Society
    • of America in NOVEMBER, and I havn’t heard Jack Shit since then. No
    • newsletters, no magazine, squat. The check I sent in did get cashed
    • immediately, but I got no mail saying “Welcome to the club,” or "Thanks
    • for your money, but we only do stuff in October so you’ll have to sit on
    • your ass for the next 11 months," nothing.
    • I realize that this mailing list is unaccoustomed to flame, but I feel
    • like I got shafted, and I think some of you unics might have more
    • information than I have.
  • I think I am qualified to answer your flame (deserved). I am the editor
  • of On One Wheel (official publication of the USA), and my brother Andy is
  • the current Vice-President of the USA (in charge of membership info).
  • First some background on our processes:
  •   1. You mail check and form to the PO box in Michigan
    
  •   2. Takes about 2-3 days to get there if mailed from the US.
    
  •   3. Carol Brichford (USA treasurer) checks the PO box on somewhat
    
  • a regular basis, but probably no more than 1ce/week.
  •   4. Carol deposites the checks.
    
  •   5. When a sufficient amount of mail is built up, she copies
    
  • the information and mails it off to Andy.
  • So far at least 2 weeks pass before Andy even sees your info.)
  •   6. Andy enters the membership info into the USA database, prints
    
  • labels, writes out the membership cards, stuffs envelopes with relevent
  • information (depending if you are a new member, old member renewing, or
  • whatever), then goes to the PO to mail piles of mail.
  • This step in the process usually takes about 2 weeks from receiving
  • the info to mailing your member card. Add another 2-3 days for the
  • Postal service to process your mail.
  •   7. Four times a year you will receive a newsletter.
    

  • OK, now some excuses and answers:
  •   1. Andy just took on this job late last fall. He decided that
    
  • the software that was used previously was horribly out of date (it was…
  • I should know, I did this job previously), and upgraded the database
  • to Microsoft Access. Of course, the upgrade took longer than planned
  • (if you know computers, you know this fact :slight_smile: ).
  •   2. The USA is a volunteer organization - we are NOT getting
    
  • paid for this work. When I was VP of the USA, and in charge of the
  • membership information, I spent a minimum of 5 hours/week, and often
  • spent my whole weekend working on updating the USA membership info.
  •   3. I just took on the job of Editor of the On One Wheel (OOW).
    
  • The amount of time I have spent on my first issue is astonishing. I
  • started working on the issue in late December, have spent about 10-15
  • hours/week (minimum) each week since then, and am going to the printers
  • tomorrow. This will take 1 week to print, and 1-2 weeks for delivery
  • via 3rd class mail.
  •   4. Andy mailed off your card in today's mail. (I love these
    
  • kind of coincidences - it looks like Andy planned to mail the member
  • cards in response to your flame…)
    • Thanks, and please pardon the flame,
  • While the flaming is deserved, please keep in mind that we are a
  • VOLUNTEER organization. I am looking for articles for OOW Vol 21,
  • Issue 2, so since you have complained so loudly, I think maybe
  • you would be willing to write an article for the next issue???
    • –Jim Frinier
    • President of Gonzo Unicycle Madness (membership 55)
  • BTW, I am the President of the Twin City Unicycle Club (with a
  • membership of 130!!! - and still growing), and all of our members
  • are also members of the USA. Are yours?

  • Constance Cotter cotter@cae.wisc.edu

Andy Cotter cotter.cae.wisc.edu Vice President of Unicycling Society of America

Re: U.S.A. (fwd)

Constance or Andy,

Andy Cotter writes to the Unicycling Mailing List:

>Since the USA officers are volunteers, we respond much better to suggestions
>and reminders than someone slamming us outright. If you do not like something
>or feel we make a mistake, by all means let us know but please use tastefull
>consideration.

If you had responded to my prior, neutral inquiry as to when the next issue of
OOW would be published, Jim Frinier probably would not have flamed the USA, Inc.

It may be inappropriate for a person speaking as a USA officer to write the
following to a new and NEGLECTED USA member, whether in private email or to this
list directly as you have just done, this time.

Constance Cotter, USA Publications Editor writes to Jim Frinier, new USA Member:

>* While the flaming is deserved, please keep in mind that we are a
>* VOLUNTEER organization. I am looking for articles for OOW Vol 21,
>* Issue 2, so since you have complained so loudly, I think maybe
>* you would be willing to write an article for the next issue???

It is very arrogant to suggest that a person write an article for OOW, when they
have waited 5 months for anything except a cancelled check, never saw an issue
of OOW, and are wondering if they will ever get anything for the money spent.
Also, is VOLUNTEER an excuse for not doing something or for doing something
after a deadline?

>*
>* * --Jim Frinier
>* * President of Gonzo Unicycle Madness (membership 55)
>*
>* BTW, I am the President of the Twin City Unicycle Club (with a
>* membership of 130!!! - and still growing), and all of our members
>* are also members of the USA. Are yours?

Responding to a sig in this manner is simply inappropriate. (Almost all
responses to sigs are positive for one thing, because a sig is often the essence
of the person who wrote it.) Are we to imply that being President of the Twin
Cities Unicycle Club is another reason for OOW being late? Mentioning the TCUC
membership and the fact that they are all USA members was arrogant, contentious
and uncalled for, under the circumstances.

We all expect much better conduct from our USA officers.

Look at how well and quickly Steve Cernkovich, USA Secretary, responded to this
issue. He was not in anyway responsible for the issue itself, yet took the time
to explain the situation as best he could. Note that he did so without even the
slightest shadow of offense to USA members or potential USA members.

Best of luck to you (Constance and Andy) in your new USA Officer Positions!

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com

Re: U.S.A. (fwd)

I regret publicly criticizing certain USA Officers on the Unicycling Mailing
List. That criticism should have been sent by private email, if at all.

All USA Officers are hard working volunteers who deserve our respect and
admiration! Without them, there would be no USA, Inc. or OOW.

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com

Re: U.S.A.

>I sent in my club’s first membership fee to the Unicycling Society of
>America in NOVEMBER, and I havn’t heard Jack Shit since then. No
>newsletters, no magazine, squat. The check I sent in did get cashed
>immediately, but I got no mail saying “Welcome to the club,” or "Thanks for
>your money, but we only do stuff in October so you’ll have to sit on your
>ass for the next 11 months," nothing.
>
>I realize that this mailing list is unaccoustomed to flame, but I feel like
>I got shafted, and I think some of you unics might have more information
>than I have.

    Hello. I'm one of the unicyclists from the U.S.A. who visited you and
    your club a few months ago. I'm sorry that you haven't received any
    response other than a canceled check. I agree that this isn't a good way
    to run an organization.

    You specified that you signed up for a Club membership. I'm not exactly
    what a club membership is entitled to, but I think:
  1.  You should receive a subscription to On One Wheel (OOW) adressed
     to the club.
    
  2.  Your club should be welcomed to the U.S.A. in the club news
     section of OOW.
    
  3.  You should receive a copy of the U.S.A. rules.
    
  4.  Your club should be listed in the official U.S.A. Roster.
    
     Now for the excuses. OOW is supposed to be issued quarterly.
     Unfortunately, the production schedule appears to have fallen behind. I
     assume that this is in part due to the recent change in OOW editors, but
     there may be other factors as well.
    
     The rules are currently undergoing a revision and review process. New
     rules will be printer when this is complete. I suppose, but this is
     solely speculation on my part, that rules orders are being held until
     this is complete.
    
     The Roster gets printed annually in the summer, I think. You also have
     to pay extra to receive a copy.
    
     Once again, I'm sorry that you haven't received anything in response
     from the U.S.A. I'll try to kick a few shins\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ stimulate a
     response from the officers responsible.
    
                                     Craig Milo Rogers

Re: U.S.A.

>I have had the exact same experience – no response, though my check was
>cashed. I’d appreciate any info anyone could provide as well.

    I'm sorry that you haven't received any response. Was yours a club
    membership or an individual one? I'll help track this down.

                                    Craig Milo Rogers

Re: U.S.A.

Constance,

> 4. Andy mailed off your card in today’s mail. (I love these kind of
> coincidences - it looks like Andy planned to mail the member cards in
> response to your flame…)

Thank you.

> While the flaming is deserved, please keep in mind that we are a VOLUNTEER
> organization.

I understand. I just wanted some answers and perhaps to lite a fire under
someone’s butt (grin).

> Issue 2, so since you have complained so loudly, I think maybe you would be
> willing to write an article for the next issue???

What kind of Sucker do you think I am? Uhh, well, maybe. If you have something
specific in mind, I probably have the time for an article.

> BTW, I am the President of the Twin City Unicycle Club (with a membership of
> 130!!! - and still growing),

Hey hey hey! Do I sense a little rivalry in your tone here? Sure, I’ll
concede that your club could probably beat up my club, but we deserve some
credit too. Harvey Mudd College is a small school (about 625). The 55 members
of Gonzo are all in a four year age bracket. The number 55 does not include
the alumni who have unicycled with Gonzo Unicycle Madness since the 60s, only
those who are here now.

> and all of our members are also members of the USA. Are yours?

No. So my club as a whole is getting nothing for $15. Your club is getting
nothing for $1,950 !

Do you propose we send a VOLUNTEER club all $825 for individual memberships
before seeing if it is worth it??? Duh!

–Jim

Re: U.S.A. [Additional information about the published roster.]

Craig Milo Rogers wrote:

> The Roster gets printed annually in the summer, I think. You also have
> to pay extra to receive a copy.

It seems to me that the roster has been printed quarterly for the past five
quarters (not counting Jan.-Mar. 1995). It is (was) $2.50 per copy. The past
year’s rosters have been very well done! Well worth the money they cost.

They include a rider’s birth date, postal address, phone number and skill level.
No email address, yet thought. It also includes a geographic index, skill level
index, list of USA affiliated clubs, list of non-affiliated clubs and even a U.S
map showing the number of USA members in each state.

Sincerely,

Ken Fuchs <kfuchs@winternet.com