Tour De France

How many of you have been following the tour this year? Here in the states, OLN has been covering the tour very well and I have been watching a lot of it.

I think it’s great that they are showing the race live and in it’s entirety. It’s much better then only seeing 20 seconds worth of highlights.

If you have been following, what are your predictions?

Personally, I think it’s going to be Lance by a good margin, followed by Jan, and Tyler in third.

On a side note, I think it’s great that there are so many American cyclists in contention.

Daniel

could you explain to me how the tour de france works? i dont really understand all the details…

Do all the riders start at the same time everyday? If so, how do you keep track of how far ahead the leaders are from everyone else?

Furthermore, what exactly are the time trials?

sorry for the beginner questions, i just seem to lack some basic knowledge. i dont get cable or the newspaper so i can’t really stay updated on how lance is doing.

-grant

time trials are timed runs with teams or singles, and the person with the best time wins. when just riding in a stage (not a time trial) they start in their positions and basically they start at the same time. the tour is just a one way race with different events like timetrials with or without teams and just riding, and who ever wins the stage that day gets the yellow jersy (which is holy, and its like a gold medal) and that person wears it in the next stage. and then there is a pink jersy but i dont know what that means. hope this helps

I love this time of year. I watch the end of le Tour in the morning, usually makes me late for work, then catch up on the missed parts during the evening re-broadcast.

If I’m stuck at work my browser is at http://www.letour.fr/2004/us/index.html .

The next week should be interesting as the favorites start their big moves in the mountains.

The yellow jersey isn’t worn by the stage winner… it’s worn by the over all time leader.

In individual time trials, each rider rides solo. They start a couple minutes apart. In team time trials (ttt), each team starts a couple minutes apart. In the ttt, the first five riders in the team get the time of the fifth rider.
The rest of the team get their own time.

Along the route there are several intermediate sprints. The winners of these sprints and first few riders to finish get points (as well as some time deductions I believe). The rider with the most points gets the green jersey.

The last big jersey is the polka dot. This is worn by the best climber. There is a point value assigned to each of the climbs on the route. The rider with the most mountain points gets the polka dot jersey.

There are several other lesser jerseys but I’m not sure what they are.

The fist week is over, and now the riders start the hills. This is where the race will really start heating up.

I think everything I wrote was correct, but if I’m wrong, please correct me.
Daniel

i just wanna make sure i got this right…

between stage days there are sometimes time trials, which can be either solo or team time trials.

the incentive to do well in a time trial is that you can get some time deducted from your total time.

So this is where it sorta boggles me… lets say that lance is 3 minutes behind going into the last stage. If he starts the stage at the same time as the leader, he has to win that stage by more than 3 minutes to win the overall race? So there’s never really a race for the finish, cause they’re all competing against their own times from the previous days? It just seems sorta odd that the first person the cross the line on the final stage isn’t necessarily the winner…

i hope that was clear

-grant

You are correct about the time trial thing accept for one part. Time isn’t deducted during a time trial. The time trial time is added to the rider’s over all time.

As for the finish line question, there are essentially two separate races going on during the tour. True, the riders are all riding the same race with the same rules, but their objectives will differ according to the team. Only a few teams have a serious chance of winning the overall race. These teams include US Postal (Lance), T-Mobile (Jan), Phonak (Tyler), etc.

The rest of the teams are racing for the other jerseys. The teams out for the Green jersey will be the ones sprinting for the finish. One thing to remember is that when a group of riders, also known as the pletolon, crosses the finish line, all the riders in the group get the same time. That’s why the guys going for the overall win will not sprint for the line. All they care about is the time.

I found this site that explains some of the rules of the race:

Hope that clears some stuff up,
Daniel

I know it was probably just spastic fingers. Happens to me all the time but it’s ‘peloton.’

Anyway, I wish I could watch the race. I don’t get OLN where I live and it drives me nuts. I have to settle for the 20 minutes of highlights on the weekend.

Cycle racing can be more than a bit confusing to the uninitiated. I’ve had the hardest time trying to expain to someone that the overall winner of the tour can do so without winning a single stage. The person who has the overall lowest elapsed time at the end of the 21 or so days, wins.

I agree with your prediction daino149. Lance then Jan then Tyler.

Go Lance!

I have been out of town for this thread. I made my Sister-in-Law upgrade her Dish Network service so I could watch OLN while out of town.:smiley: I statarted watching the coverage about 4 or 5 years ago, and have been addicted ever since. I occasionally go and watch a night time criterium near me in Athens, GA, and really enjoy the speed these guys travel.

I can’t watch it w/o my heart rate going up. I think OLN’s coverage is great. I have to say that when those idiots get out there and run in front of or beside the riders, I get really irrittated. If they fall, they could destroy their fovorite racers chance of finishing/winning the tour.

I don’t think Tyler is going to win anything this year, let alone finish. Sadly, he decided to drop out.

I really enjoy the strategy of the teams. I also enjoy the respectful nature with which they approach the sport and one another. When Lance fell last year and Ulrich waited for him to get back up and catch up, I thought that was really cool. I think it was a few years earlier that Lance did the same for Ulrich.

I checked the field, I’ve been riding with all dutch participants between 1990-1996. I’ve even competed against Ulrich the year before he became pro (the year he won the tour).

During 1996 health problems forced me to quit (a heartrate of 21 per minute). And without having a plan I slowy start to ride my unicycle more and more. The training-dicipline I had was very usefull.

Last year I met my former team-mates Erik Dekker (154), Aart Vierhouten (189) & Steven de Jongh again. And also Stefan van Dijk and stage winner Servais Knaven (106). That was a nice meet, it was fun to see we all became profesional cyclist. In my case with a wheel less.

Wow, I didn’t know you were such a hard core (former?) biker. Mad props to you.

It’s too bad about Tyler dropping out. It seems that Lance is dominating the mountains. Basso is the only one keeping pace. I had never heard of him prior to the past few stages. He might end up being Lance’s main competitor this year.

I agree that OLN’s coverage is great. Is this the first year they are covering it? I can’t believe I’ve missed it the past years if they had it. Of course, it wouldn’t have made much of a difference, I don’t think I had OLN last year.

Daniel

Basso took the white jersey in 2002.

On le Tour’s official site OLN is linked since 2002. I think that is when I first started watching. I don’t know if they were on it prior. Its addictive.

Besides the 2004 link above you can still see the results since 2000 at:

Yes, former. I sold all my bicycles (except for the frame of the bike I got from Erik Breukink. Currently he is the team manager of the Rabobank team. It was the bike he used to became 3th in 1992 after Greg LeMond and Claudio Chiapucci).

The niece of Henk Vogels use to be my neigtbour. And so the Australian team use to stay in my town when they were in Europe. And so I trained with him and Stuart O’grady (when he must have been 17 years old) as well. Not much later they did do well on the Olympics. And some later they did ride well in the Tour.

I miss cycling a lot. Time-trail, climbing, and riding on the track. I think because it’s a team sport, while unicycling is more individual. However I’ve seen the negative parts of the commercial part of a sport. And today I know the benefits of unicycling.

I very seldom see races. Last month I unexpected worked on a lady tour (the girl who took the picture is the ex-girlfriend of Max van Heeswijk, who’s current team-mate of Lance Armstrong). And years a ago a team-mate of Sissy was Danielle Overgaag (who also did do the Olympics). She is an ex-girlfriend of Lance Armstrong (untill he trade her in for Miss Hawaii).

Got a ticket for speeding in Flagstaff back in February on my way to the GC. If I would have been 200 feet further up the road I wouldn’t have been speeding. The funny thing is I was on a straight, and the speed went up on a curve! “Drive safely Mr BugMan.” Give me a break!

Anyway… How about a local sports bar that gets Dish Network or Direct TV. I am sure you could nurse a beer for hours to watch the race. Flagstaff isn’t that backwards… I used to live in Prescott.:smiley:

First off, I posted a response to this earlier today and lost the post. I don’t like it when that happens.

Second… 21 beats a minute!!! I have heard of endurance athletes with low heart rates, but nothing like that! What was the cause and is it back to normal?

Also, Tommy from Memphis (Tmornstar) used to be a road cyclist, maybe even Pro. He was definitely sponsored and raced in Europe. I know he doesn’t watch TV so he probably doesn’t keep up with the tour, but he is on fit unicyclist. He leaves everyone in the dust or at least doesn’t break a sweat. He apparently got into unicycling at a Road Cycling Club event. Someone brought a unicycle and said whoever could ride it furthest could keep it. Being the competitor he is, he probably killed himself to win, but win he did. The rest is history. He’s probably out riding as I type this.

I read this and thought ‘why does 21 beat a minute?’. That was just one of those “huh?” moments.

Anyway, Lance is back in yellow, where I think he will stay for the rest of the race. What are your thoughts on the remainder of the race?

Daniel

Its been a good tour so far today’s stage deffenatlly took me for suprise like alot of other people I was expecting it to be a nice and relaxed stage.

Unlike alot of you guys I have become interested in road bikes and riding bikes in general through unicycling. I now ride 10 miles + a day on my road bike while my uni only comes out on the weekends.

liveSTRONG
Mike

Surprised? this is when Lance always makes his move. tommorow he is going to crush Basso on Alpe d’huez.

well Ullrichs thing was a surprise i guess.

There is not really a cause. It’s natural when you do certain kind of sports. But normally it should be a process during a whole career, not just a couple of years.

What happens is; the heart (which is just a muscle) will get ‘little scratches’. These will fill, and so the heart grows. In my case this went very rapid. Especially in spring I use to feel this proces happening. But that last year I couldn’t bear it anymore.

I went to my housedoctor: he refused to send me to the hospital. He said: “it is slow, but you are a sporter. This leaking tricuspid or bicuspid valve is an known case (from military and school tests). And further I don’t hear anything.”
I said: "but it really hurts when I’m laying on my coach or in bed.
He said: “I hear nothing weird. I see no reason for further investigation”.

I was furious. In my whole live I went to this doctor twice.
And this time was not the first time he saw no reason for further medication (and that I’ve ended in hospital without his “help”).

And so I mad a phonecall straight to an cardiologist. He listened to my story, and advised me to come over (administratively this is not possible without the housedoctors advice).

And so I went for a simple ECG. The trainee started 3 times over again connecting those (12?) rubber things. Then she called for a second opinion. There was no doctor yet, and they were both amazed and speakless. I was getting afraid I could not leave that day.

The echoscopy was also remarkable: the heart was this big it would fit on the screen, and they were doubting to call for technical service. I think for asking one which is used for babies in stead of one for hearts.

A normal average heart should do 55-60 a minute. And so I think you can calculate (60:21) how much bigger than normal my heart was. As kid I had a horse-excedent (with this niece of Henk Vogels) and got unequal chest of it. Now my chest was unequal the opposit.

Then I had to be monitored with a gadget for 72 hours non-stop.
I’ve seen the graphs. Some parts were shocking. An earthquake would have made more sense. Only thing which was common with an normal heartbeat was that the lines did not go backward.

And so on the next meet, the advice was clear, I should be doing bicycling on a lower level. Well, I was 19 years old with only one dream become profesional bicyclist. My (little) world felt apart. My medical situation was: Since my heart grew way too fast, my nerves were “tight”. The command to beat, made in the SA-node, was made, but not always transported by the nerves. And so I had interruptions in an already slow beat. That hurts like you choke a big meal in 0.1 second.

I did not want to ride on a lower level at all, and so decided to quit. But first I had to train slowly down. Had no medicines. And now it is like above 40. Only if spring is heading I sometimes feel a changement, but no pain anymore.

As kid I always wanted to be able to ride a unicycle. And so during my last year I bought one just for fun. I was able to ride forward, and so happy and done. But after my stop, I start doing unicycling more and more. I was invited to do a simple job on TV (not a bad stage as debut!). And so discover that I could earn money with it. I ended in no time in better paid jobs. And by then the father of Sem Abrahams took me to competitions and conventions. I started to compete. I won medals on UNICON, NAUCC, and EUROCYCLE. Unicycling became my hobby, work and sport. And brought me all over the world.

And suddenly I noticed it forfill all my dreams I had on two wheel.
But with unicycling I had much more fun. Nice meets with all kind of people. From Tony Blair, Schroeder, Balkenende, to disabled, elderly, schoolers, jailers, any kind of people.
Unicycling gave me so much things like, patience, self-confidence. And facing death made me live my life different others of my age do.

When I see the bad events in bicycling, I realize it is much better to do unicycling. And I do hope unicycling will become a bit more commercial, but not like bicycling currently is. I’ve seen to much dirt from nearby. As soon most people smell money, situation become less nice.
On the other hand: if I have to explain to those bicycling mates that in unicycle competition you have to pay your own hotel and plane-tickets…

Sorry for the thread-jack with parts of my live-story, and wishfull thinking.

Anyway, today was a great stage again. I still ask myself is Lance Armstrong that strong, or is the rest that weak? But in the Tour there is no such thing as presents. But at least Lance does not make the Tour as boring as Indurain did for years.

Thanks for the Story Leo. I really enjoyed reading it.