There go our civil liberties

http://msnbc.com/news/630118.asp

If we even let TALK of this kind of thing continue, we can all kiss our
liberty goodbye.

-Mike K.

yeah…its got me worried for sure…I’m not carrying any damned card aroud
with my prints on it. Once things cool down this will change and the isue
will dissapear. They’ve gotta look tough now or else it will be said they
didn’t take action…if it was my choice we’d be working on the budget
now, along with Airline relief, while the executive branch does its job of
foreign policy making, and bridge burning.


Brian Wilmot

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http://www.jumptraveler.com/

“Mike King” <mike@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
news:3BA7B6C6.9571BA0E@webcodefocus.com
>
> http://msnbc.com/news/630118.asp
>
> If we even let TALK of this kind of thing continue, we can all kiss our
> liberty goodbye.
>
> -Mike K.

I’m not so convinced it’s a bad thing, as long as it’s done with some
restraint. How is it so different than a driver’s license or a social
security number? Really, you could look at it as a sort of compilation of
databases. Of course, the details (which I am as of yet unaware of) might
make me think differently. Would it affect us on a day-to-day basis?

Mike King wrote:
>
> http://msnbc.com/news/630118.asp
>
> If we even let TALK of this kind of thing continue, we can all kiss our
> liberty goodbye.
>
> -Mike K.


Jay Tierney – jay@jaytierney.com

if we don’t LET the TALK of it continue, then we’ve already kissed one of
our civil liberties goodbye: our freedom of speech.

Mike King wrote:

> http://msnbc.com/news/630118.asp
>
> If we even let TALK of this kind of thing continue, we can all kiss our
> liberty goodbye.
>
> -Mike K.

Why is that a bad thing?

I’m all for every citizen being entered into a government controlled
database (That isn’t on the Internet. :roll_eyes: ) with DNA sample, blood
type, fingerprints and all that upon birth. This card has potential, but,
how secure would it be? What happens when it is stolen/lost? Would it be
an excuse for another “tax?”


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“Mike King” <mike@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://msnbc.com/news/630118.asp
>
> If we even let TALK of this kind of thing continue, we can all kiss our
> liberty goodbye.
>
> -Mike K.

what would be the purpose for it?


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“Sean S.” <noemail@here.blargh> wrote in message
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> Why is that a bad thing?
>
> I’m all for every citizen being entered into a government controlled
> database (That isn’t on the Internet. :roll_eyes: ) with DNA sample,
> blood type, fingerprints and all that upon birth. This card has
> potential, but, how secure would it be? What happens when it is
> stolen/lost? Would it be
an
> excuse for another “tax?”
>
> –
> Sean S. <?$s=“moc.seiticoeg@osomynus”;$s=ereg_replace(
> “osom”,“noom”,$s);$s=strrev($s);echo"mailto:$s";?> Hex(RGB) ->
> http://thedoh.dyndns.org/hexrgb/index.php
>
>
> “Mike King” <mike@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
> news:3BA7B6C6.9571BA0E@webcodefocus.com
> >
> > http://msnbc.com/news/630118.asp
> >
> > If we even let TALK of this kind of thing continue, we can all kiss
> > our liberty goodbye.
> >
> > -Mike K.

Brian Wilmot wrote:
>
> yeah…its got me worried for sure…I’m not carrying any damned card
> aroud with my prints on it. Once things cool down this will change and
> the isue will dissapear. They’ve gotta look tough now or else it will be
> said they didn’t take action…if it was my choice we’d be working on
> the budget now, along with Airline relief, while the executive branch
> does its job of foreign policy making, and bridge burning.

You think burning bridges is a GOOD idea?

-Mike K.

Jay Tierney wrote:
>
> I’m not so convinced it’s a bad thing, as long as it’s done with some
> restraint. How is it so different than a driver’s license or a social
> security number? Really, you could look at it as a sort of
> compilation of databases. Of course, the details (which I am as of
> yet unaware of) might make me think differently. Would it affect us
> on a day-to-day basis?

Because, that would in essense, allow the government to “own” us, to know
everything we do, to know every where we go, to know every purchase we
make, to know every organization we join, to know every cent we have,
make, and spend… The list would grow and grow and grow until you can’t
do ANYTHING without your little card, which would become a chip,… and so
on and so on…

-Mike K.

“Rodney @ work” wrote:
>
> if we don’t LET the TALK of it continue, then we’ve already kissed one
> of our civil liberties goodbye: our freedom of speech.

Ok, you know I didn’t mean that literally, right?

-Mike K.

Do you want your DNA on file wiht the government even if you haven’t
convicted a crime…the possiblities for misuse are everywhere.


Brian Wilmot

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http://www.jumptraveler.com/

“Jay Tierney” <jay@jaytierney.com> wrote in message
news:3BA7D89E.EFB3A939@jaytierney.com
> I’m not so convinced it’s a bad thing, as long as it’s done with some
> restraint. How is it so different than a driver’s license or a social
> security number? Really, you could look at it as a sort of
> compilation of databases. Of course, the details (which I am as of
> yet unaware of) might make me think differently. Would it affect us
> on a day-to-day basis?
>
> Mike King wrote:
> >
> > http://msnbc.com/news/630118.asp
> >
> > If we even let TALK of this kind of thing continue, we can all kiss
> > our liberty goodbye.
> >
> > -Mike K.
>
> –
> Jay Tierney – jay@jaytierney.com

So you don’t mind if the CIa or FBI decides they need a all man i a
situation and your employment fits the perfect profile for the crime…so
why don’t we manufacture him as the criminal to saqtisfy our NEED for
security…thats just one example of the misuse of that personal info by
the government


Brian Wilmot

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http://www.jumptraveler.com/

“Sean S.” <noemail@here.blargh> wrote in message
news:9o99pr$tfm$1@www.darklock.com
> Why is that a bad thing?
>
> I’m all for every citizen being entered into a government controlled
> database (That isn’t on the Internet. :roll_eyes: ) with DNA sample,
> blood type, fingerprints and all that upon birth. This card has
> potential, but, how secure would it be? What happens when it is
> stolen/lost? Would it be
an
> excuse for another “tax?”
>
> –
> Sean S. <?$s=“moc.seiticoeg@osomynus”;$s=ereg_replace(
> “osom”,“noom”,$s);$s=strrev($s);echo"mailto:$s";?> Hex(RGB) ->
> http://thedoh.dyndns.org/hexrgb/index.php
>
>
> “Mike King” <mike@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
> news:3BA7B6C6.9571BA0E@webcodefocus.com
> >
> > http://msnbc.com/news/630118.asp
> >
> > If we even let TALK of this kind of thing continue, we can all kiss
> > our liberty goodbye.
> >
> > -Mike K.

No…a little sarcasm


Brian Wilmot

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http://www.jumptraveler.com/

“Mike King” <mike@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
news:3BA8AA62.436C9D35@webcodefocus.com
>
>
> Brian Wilmot wrote:
> >
> > yeah…its got me worried for sure…I’m not carrying any damned card
aroud
> > with my prints on it. Once things cool down this will change and the
isue
> > will dissapear. They’ve gotta look tough now or else it will be said
they
> > didn’t take action…if it was my choice we’d be working on the budget
now,
> > along with Airline relief, while the executive branch does its job of
> > foreign policy making, and bridge burning.
>
> You think burning bridges is a GOOD idea?
>
> -Mike K.

Well, from what I understand, it’s simply putting all of your information
in one place (except for confidential intelligence files, which most
people don’t have). That way, unusual behavior can be noticed. In other
words, if you sign up for a flight training school, all names will be
recorded and ID cards will be scanned (so a visitor with a 30 day Visa who
signs up for flight training school will obviously set off a red flag –
as would many other actions).

Rodney Blackwell wrote:
>
> what would be the purpose for it?
>
> –
> Rodney Blackwell - site owner/administrator

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>
> “Sean S.” <noemail@here.blargh> wrote in message
> news:9o99pr$tfm$1@www.darklock.com
> > Why is that a bad thing?
> >
> > I’m all for every citizen being entered into a government controlled
> > database (That isn’t on the Internet. :roll_eyes: ) with DNA sample,
> > blood type, fingerprints and all that upon birth. This card has
> > potential, but, how secure would it be? What happens when it is
> > stolen/lost? Would it be
> an
> > excuse for another “tax?”
> >
> > –
> > Sean S. <?$s=“moc.seiticoeg@osomynus”;$s=ereg_replace(
> > “osom”,“noom”,$s);$s=strrev($s);echo"mailto:$s";?> Hex(RGB) ->
> > http://thedoh.dyndns.org/hexrgb/index.php
> >
> >
> > “Mike King” <mike@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
> > news:3BA7B6C6.9571BA0E@webcodefocus.com
> > >
> > > http://msnbc.com/news/630118.asp
> > >
> > > If we even let TALK of this kind of thing continue, we can all kiss
> > > our liberty goodbye.
> > >
> > > -Mike K.
> >
> >


Jay Tierney – jay@jaytierney.com

I don’t think that’s what they’re proposing. If you went to safeway and
bought some food, you wouldn’t have to scan your card or anything. If that
WERE the case I agree with you, but if it would only be used in vital
areas (such as airports, train stations, border crossings, etc. then I
have no problem with it.) Do keep in mind that the biggest proposal is
tracking visitors, who currently are tracked LESS than normal citizens.
Enter the country with a legal visa, write whatever you want on the form,
and then you can simply disappear inside.

Mike King wrote:
>
> Because, that would in essense, allow the government to “own” us, to
> know everything we do, to know every where we go, to know every purchase
> we make, to know every organization we join, to know every cent we have,
> make, and spend… The list would grow and grow and grow until you can’t
> do ANYTHING without your little card, which would become a chip,… and
> so on and so on…
>
> -Mike K.


Jay Tierney – jay@jaytierney.com

-)


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“Mike King” <mike@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> “Rodney @ work” wrote:
> >
> > if we don’t LET the TALK of it continue, then we’ve already kissed one
of
> > our civil liberties goodbye: our freedom of speech.
>
> Ok, you know I didn’t mean that literally, right?
>
> -Mike K.

Such as? Are you talking about the Gattaca theory? (A damn good film, I
might add).

Brian Wilmot wrote:
>
> Do you want your DNA on file wiht the government even if you haven’t
> convicted a crime…the possiblities for misuse are everywhere.


Jay Tierney – jay@jaytierney.com

Huh? You lost me…

Brian Wilmot wrote:
>
> So you don’t mind if the CIa or FBI decides they need a all man i a
> situation and your employment fits the perfect profile for the
> crime…so why don’t we manufacture him as the criminal to saqtisfy our
> NEED for security…thats just one example of the misuse of that
> personal info by the government
>
> –
> Brian Wilmot

> http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/
> http://www.jumptraveler.com/
>
> “Sean S.” <noemail@here.blargh> wrote in message
> news:9o99pr$tfm$1@www.darklock.com
> > Why is that a bad thing?
> >
> > I’m all for every citizen being entered into a government controlled
> > database (That isn’t on the Internet. :roll_eyes: ) with DNA sample,
> > blood type, fingerprints and all that upon birth. This card has
> > potential, but, how secure would it be? What happens when it is
> > stolen/lost? Would it be
> an
> > excuse for another “tax?”
> >
> > –
> > Sean S. <?$s=“moc.seiticoeg@osomynus”;$s=ereg_replace(
> > “osom”,“noom”,$s);$s=strrev($s);echo"mailto:$s";?> Hex(RGB) ->
> > http://thedoh.dyndns.org/hexrgb/index.php
> >
> >
> > “Mike King” <mike@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
> > news:3BA7B6C6.9571BA0E@webcodefocus.com
> > >
> > > http://msnbc.com/news/630118.asp
> > >
> > > If we even let TALK of this kind of thing continue, we can all kiss
> > > our liberty goodbye.
> > >
> > > -Mike K.
> >
> >


Jay Tierney – jay@jaytierney.com

In a way yes.


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“Jay Tierney” <jay@jaytierney.com> wrote in message
news:3BA8BD54.6F8799EF@jaytierney.com
> Such as? Are you talking about the Gattaca theory? (A damn good film, I
> might add).
>
> Brian Wilmot wrote:
> >
> > Do you want your DNA on file wiht the government even if you haven’t
> > convicted a crime…the possiblities for misuse are everywhere.
>
> –
> Jay Tierney – jay@jaytierney.com

IT was a bad example…I ealized it after I had already posted it…but
like my other post in this thread…the control governemtn would have over
very personal information…actually the most personl information…coudl
lead to all sorts of things…and we know that our governemtn isn’t always
trustworthy…and I’d hate for my DNA to be used against me in a form that
is less than legal…or maybe even legal.


Brian Wilmot

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http://www.jumptraveler.com/

“Jay Tierney” <jay@jaytierney.com> wrote in message
news:3BA8BD7F.9EA55260@jaytierney.com
> Huh? You lost me…
>
> Brian Wilmot wrote:
> >
> > So you don’t mind if the CIa or FBI decides they need a all man i a
> > situation and your employment fits the perfect profile for the
crime…so
> > why don’t we manufacture him as the criminal to saqtisfy our NEED
> > for security…thats just one example of the misuse of that personal
> > info by
the
> > government
> >
> > –
> > Brian Wilmot

> > http://www.jumpnow.net/ http://www.uglybillboards.com/
> > http://www.jumptraveler.com/
> >
> > “Sean S.” <noemail@here.blargh> wrote in message
> > news:9o99pr$tfm$1@www.darklock.com
> > > Why is that a bad thing?
> > >
> > > I’m all for every citizen being entered into a *government
> > > controlled* database (That isn’t on the Internet. :roll_eyes: ) with
> > > DNA sample,
blood
> > > type, fingerprints and all that upon birth. This card has potential,
but,
> > > how secure would it be? What happens when it is stolen/lost?
> > > Would it
be
> > an
> > > excuse for another “tax?”
> > >
> > > –
> > > Sean S. <?$s=“moc.seiticoeg@osomynus”;$s=ereg_replace(
> > > “osom”,“noom”,$s);$s=strrev($s);echo"mailto:$s";?> Hex(RGB) ->
> > > http://thedoh.dyndns.org/hexrgb/index.php
> > >
> > >
> > > “Mike King” <mike@webcodefocus.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3BA7B6C6.9571BA0E@webcodefocus.com
> > > >
> > > > http://msnbc.com/news/630118.asp
> > > >
> > > > If we even let TALK of this kind of thing continue, we can all
> > > > kiss
our
> > > > liberty goodbye.
> > > >
> > > > -Mike K.
> > >
> > >
>
> –
> Jay Tierney – jay@jaytierney.com

Jay Tierney wrote:
>
> I don’t think that’s what they’re proposing. If you went to safeway and
> bought some food, you wouldn’t have to scan your card or anything.

Not initially, but you know how our government works. Initially, SS #'s
were only for Social Security, now I can’t get ANYTHING without having my
SSN handy.

> that WERE the case I agree with you, but if it would only be used in
> vital areas (such as airports, train stations, border crossings, etc.
> then I have no problem with it.) Do keep in mind that the biggest
> proposal is tracking visitors, who currently are tracked LESS than
> normal citizens. Enter the country with a legal visa, write whatever you
> want on the form, and then you can simply disappear inside.

I agree. I think the international Passport system needs an update. We’re
even using the same silly paper books that were used 100 years ago.

-Mike K.