sore crotch

My kids (12 year old boy, 15 yr old girl) are complaining that they are getting
very sore crotches from riding their unicycles (1.5 miles or less). One has a
Torker unicycle with its standard issue seat, and the other has an inexpensive
seat that is banana shaped with metal guards on each end (a Savage seat?).

Any suggestions? Is this something that improves with time? I’m not experiencing
this problem and don’t know if it is a size/personal padding (fat) issue.

Thanks!
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Re: [sore crotch]

There are several things to try.

Sounds like you haven’t got the best of seats. I couldn’t believe the difference
when I switched from a Savage to a viscount. Sooo much more comfortable. Seat
shape and design plays a big part in comfort and a badly designed seat can
definately cause crotch pain. My advice would be to switch seats to something
like a Viscount or Miyata.

What kind of pants are they wearing? Jeans are terrible for riding as they have
a large thick seam right where you are sitting. This gets very uncomfortable
after a little while. Ideally use pants with thin seams and fabric that isn’t
hard on the skin.

It may pay to invest in some cycle shorts (the padded kind). Some people
maintain they look a bit dorky but the comfort factor is well worth it. Cycle
shorts are designed to reduce friction while providing extra padding and you
definately notice the difference. There are also brands available now that look
like normal board shorts but have cycle shorts on the inside.

Riding style does play a role in comfort but I think seat design and clothing
are the main factors. When people first start out they can find riding very
uncomfortable as they are sitting on the seat wrong (this is especially a male
problem - don’t sit on certain dangly bits!) I can’t speak for females but you
do adjust and figure out how to sit comfortably.

If crotch pain is still a problem you may like to try a lubrication product like
Butt’r. (Available from unicycle source).


“Tracey W. Sherry” <tkwsherry@hotmail.com> wrote: My kids (12 year old boy, 15
yr old girl) are complaining that they are getting very sore crotches from
riding their unicycles (1.5 miles or less). One has a Torker unicycle with its
standard issue seat, and the other has an inexpensive seat that is banana shaped
with metal guards on each end (a Savage seat?).

Any suggestions? Is this something that improves with time? I’m not experiencing
this problem and don’t know if it is a size/personal padding (fat) issue.

Thanks!
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Re: [Re: [sore crotch]]

I ride a few months now, am beginning to master the standard freemount. Until
recently I mounted while holding on to something so I had time to adjust my
certain dangly bits. With the freemount there is no time, moreover I end up sort
of on the rear end of the seat and then “roll forward” which aggravates the
issue. Not quite comfortable, so I tend to put less weight on the seat which is
no good either. Any tips? (I had one tip to put the seat to the side of the
standing leg prior to the mount - this helped but mainly during the mount, not
so much after.)


The key to comfortable mounting is to position the seat before you even mount.
ie place the seat beneath you, between your legs with everything comfortably out
of the way. Then you can apply pressure to the pedals bring the seat up under
you or push off the ground to bring yourself up onto the seat. Note it may be
necessary to shuffle forward slightly while holding the seat beneath you to get
the pedal position right.

For more difficult mounts It is best not to sit down straight away when you get
on. First suriptiously rearange things out of the way and then sit down.

Cycle shorts are again a help as they are good for preventing things from
moving. Klaas

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Re: [sore crotch]

>It may pay to invest in some cycle shorts (the padded kind). Some people
>maintain they look a bit dorky but the comfort factor is well worth it. Cycle
>shorts are designed to reduce friction while providing extra padding and you
>definately notice the difference. There are also brands available now that look
>like normal board shorts but have cycle shorts on the inside.

And for those new to cycling shorts they are worn without underwear
underneath. They also need to fit snugly. People new to cycling shorts have a
tendency to buy them about a size larger than they should. They need to be
snug. That’s the way they are designed. Some unicyclists wear two layers of
padded cycling shorts for extra comfort. I’ve always stuck with one layer, but
two may be good for some.

Chamois Butt’r or similar product is also good if you have problems with
chafing. Desitin Creamy diaper rash ointment is also good for helping saddle
sores heal up and is also good at preventing saddle sores from happening in the
first place.

john_childs
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>From: “Nathan Hoover”
>
>Good point John. It is absolutely comical how many people I see wearing cycling
>shorts (and actually cycling!) with underwear visible beneath. They are in for
>a treat if they ever figure out that the underwear should be left home.

Novice bike riders are almost always good for a good laugh. :slight_smile: Fortunately a few
of them learn the errors of their ways and progress beyond that comical novice
stage. Now if they would only learn how to shift out of the granny gear…

>Your idea of wearing two pairs is good too. Before many of us here upgraded to
>Swobo Cargo shorts (inner bike short with thick, killer pad attached to robust
>outer short with pockets), we wore bike shorts under Gramicci shorts (longish
>thick cotton shorts). The rubbing occurs between the two pairs of shorts,
>rather than between the unicycle seat and you. One unmentionable Santa Cruzian
>even has been known to wear three pairs! But never underwear or jeans!

When I mentioned layers I meant two layers of the padded lycra shorts. Sounds
strange, but some do it. And I’ve even done it a few times.

Wearing looser shorts over cycling shorts is also good. I almost always wear
something over the cycling shorts both for comfort and to protect my cycling
shorts from getting ripped up when I fall. The Gramicci shorts are good and I
have several pair. But they are a bit baggy in the crotch and can get hung up on
the seat when mounting or doing seat out front skills. My favorite outer shorts
are the Roach shorts. They are awesome (but expensive). No big seam in the
crotch, no baggy crotch, bomb proof, and they have a really cool velcro fly.

john_childs

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I was talking about the Indy shorts.

The Indy shorts are looser fitting in the legs than the DH shorts. The DH shorts
are more fitted which means they fit closer in the legs. The legs on the DH
shorts are also longer (they come almost to the tops of my knees) and don’t
always cooperate well with some kneepads. The DH shorts also have a stretch
panel going down the outside of the legs to allow the shorts more movement since
they are more fitted. What this all means is that the DH shorts will rub you
more on the legs as you pedal.

The DH shorts are good and serve a purpose. For example I like to wear them on
some trails that get overgrown with blackberry vines. The longer legs on the DH
protect me better from the thorns (god I love the leg armor on that trail). But
most of the time I wear the Indy shorts. I also wear the Indy shorts when Coker
riding much more often than the DH shorts.

Keep in mind that the Roach shorts are not padded. They are designed to be worn
over cycling shorts. They are also a little overkill for Coker riding unless you
plan on doing some pavement slides (not that there is anything wrong with a
little overkill).

The Roach shorts are a bit stiff when new. It takes a couple of washings and
some wear time for them to soften up a bit.

john_childs

>From: jugglerjoe@webtv.net
>
>Hey John, I do a lot of long distance riding on my coker and am interested in
>anyone’s response. I was interested in the Roach brand shorts. Are you talking
>about the DH or the Indy shorts? Is there much of a difference besides the
>price? TIA.
>
>Aj
>

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$50 to $100 is normal for the higher quality shorts that are popular with the
serious bike riders. Shorts for the common man can be found for less especially
when they are on sale. Sounds like that particular bike shop didn’t carry the
“lower end” clothing. Might want to check with another local bike shop that may
have a better selection.

Some online sources for cycle clothing: http://www.performancebike.com/
http://www.rei.com/ http://www.rei-outlet.com/ http://www.bikenashbar.com/
http://www.gearshopping.com/ http://www.foxracing.com/

Some notes: REI.com is nice if you are a member of REI because you get a rebate
at the end of the year. REI is a co-op.

The Performance and Nashbar store brand stuff is OK. It’s not always as good or
as comfortable as the name brand stuff, but it is less expensive.

Gearshopping.com covers many different retailers. They have a bikes and cycles
section where you can find bike clothing.

Fox Racing sells their own stuff. It’s all at MSRP, I don’t recall ever seeing a
sale on their site.

john_childs

>From: Greg House
>
> >> It may pay to invest in some cycle shorts (the padded kind).
>
>Does anyone have a good source for cycle shorts? You used to see these at
>discount places like Walmart, but now that I actually WANT some, no more. My
>local bike shop wants like $50-80 for a pair, which seems like a terrible
>amount of money for a little scrap of Spandex and some foam.
>
>Is this a normal price? Is there a good mail-order/web dealer where I can get
>something cheaper?
>
>Greg
>

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> $50 to $100 is normal for the higher quality shorts that are popular with the
> serious bike riders. Shorts for the common man can be found for less
> especially when they are on sale.

A bit more advice: In my experience, I have found that you very much get what
you pay for with cycling shorts. My favorite pairs have usually been the most
expensive ones. Just make sure you’re not paying for cool looks of some kind.
Once I bought a pair that looked like blue jeans (and they were cheap). That was
probably the worst pair I’ve owned.

Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com

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Re: [sore crotch]

> It may pay to invest in some cycle shorts (the padded kind).

You can also wear cycle shorts under jeans, or normal trousers,if it is too cold
for shorts. Underwear is also made for this very problem, but cycle shorts work
well enough.

Innes Dunbar

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Re: [sore crotch]

On 29 Nov 2000 12:39:03 -0800, peter_bier@usa.net (Peter Bier) wrote:

>When people first start out they can find riding very uncomfortable as they are
>sitting on the seat wrong (this is especially a male problem - don’t sit on
>certain dangly bits!)

I ride a few months now, am beginning to master the standard freemount. Until
recently I mounted while holding on to something so I had time to adjust my
certain dangly bits. With the freemount there is no time, moreover I end up sort
of on the rear end of the seat and then “roll forward” which aggravates the
issue. Not quite comfortable, so I tend to put less weight on the seat which is
no good either. Any tips? (I had one tip to put the seat to the side of the
standing leg prior to the mount - this helped but mainly during the mount, not
so much after.)

Klaas

Re: [sore crotch]

>From my experience, nothing solves this problem like a Miyata or Semcycle
>Deluxe seat
with a 12 1/2" inner tube inside. You can adjust the support to suit by varying
the air pressure.

Blessings!

Arthur Doerksen

Re: [sore crotch]

Good point John. It is absolutely comical how many people I see wearing cycling
shorts (and actually cycling!) with underwear visible beneath. They are in for a
treat if they ever figure out that the underwear should be left home.

Your idea of wearing two pairs is good too. Before many of us here upgraded to
Swobo Cargo shorts (inner bike short with thick, killer pad attached to robust
outer short with pockets), we wore bike shorts under Gramicci shorts (longish
thick cotton shorts). The rubbing occurs between the two pairs of shorts, rather
than between the unicycle seat and you. One unmentionable Santa Cruzian even has
been known to wear three pairs! But never underwear or jeans!

—Nathan

“John Childs” <john_childs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LAW-F24EAOeIiGXix4A00002436@hotmail.com
>
> And for those new to cycling shorts they are worn without underwear
> underneath. They also need to fit snugly. People new to cycling shorts have a
> tendency to buy them about a size larger than they should. They
need
> to be snug. That’s the way they are designed. Some unicyclists wear two layers
> of padded cycling shorts for extra comfort. I’ve always stuck with one layer,
> but two may be good for some.
>
[snip]
>
> john_childs

Re: [Re: [sore crotch]]

On 29 Nov 2000 17:27:50 -0800, peter_bier@usa.net (Peter Bier) wrote:

>The key to comfortable mounting is to position the seat before you even
>mount. ie place the seat beneath you, between your legs with everything
>comfortably out of the way.

That sounds how I do it on a bike - sorry for mentioning the word here. A bike
is already in riding orientation when you mount so it isn’t a problem there,
moreover the seat does not curve up at the front. The unicycle is probably 30
deg from the vertical when I position the seat. Then when I mount it goes to
vertical and suddenly I sit on the rear end of the seat. Maybe I should try and
sit “to far to the front” when preparing for the mount so that I end up right?
You guys must be doing all these things unconsciously.

Klaas

Re: [sore crotch]

Exactly right. At the end of summer you sometimes find sales at good bike shops
with 20-30% off. That’s time time to buy that expensive pair of shorts. I have
tried several pairs of cheaper shorts, $20-$30, and they were all crap - not
worth the money. In contrast, the old Descente shorts lasted me YEARS and >10000
miles each - they were $60 15 years ago and sadly aren’t made any more. In
reality, they were a bargain: they cost 3x a cheap pair, but gave top
performance for 3 times longer than a cheap pair would last. Last year I bought
3 pairs of Swobo Cargo shorts for $57 each at a 30% off sale. (I also bought two
pairs for bicycling, $80 Pearl Izumis and $70 Bellweather Dryline Pro.) Sure it
was a lot of money, but those will last for the next many years of Muni and
bike rides, so actually they were cheap.

—Nathan

“John Foss” <john_foss@asinet.com> wrote in message
news:631B3F1D150FD3118E4D00A0C9EC1BDA48142F@SERVER
> > $50 to $100 is normal for the higher quality shorts that are popular with
> > the serious bike riders. Shorts for the common man can be found for less
> > especially when they are on sale.
>
> A bit more advice: In my experience, I have found that you very much get what
> you pay for with cycling shorts. My favorite pairs have usually been the most
> expensive ones. Just make sure you’re not paying for cool looks
of
> some kind. Once I bought a pair that looked like blue jeans (and they were
> cheap). That was probably the worst pair I’ve owned.
>
> Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone http://www.unicycling.com

Re: [sore crotch]

>> It may pay to invest in some cycle shorts (the padded kind).

Does anyone have a good source for cycle shorts? You used to see these at
discount places like Walmart, but now that I actually WANT some, no more. My
local bike shop wants like $50-80 for a pair, which seems like a terrible amount
of money for a little scrap of Spandex and some foam.

Is this a normal price? Is there a good mail-order/web dealer where I can get
something cheaper?

Greg

Re: [sore crotch]

2 places to try:

www.bikenashbar.com

and

www.performancebike.com


Andy Arhelger juggle@nospam.ibm.com

“Greg House” <ghouse@southwind.net> wrote in message
news:975889978.1744038161@news.onemain.com
> >> It may pay to invest in some cycle shorts (the padded kind).
>
> Does anyone have a good source for cycle shorts? You used to see these at
> discount places like Walmart, but now that I actually WANT some, no more. My
> local bike shop wants like $50-80 for a pair, which seems like a terrible
> amount of money for a little scrap of Spandex and some foam.
>
> Is this a normal price? Is there a good mail-order/web dealer where I can get
> something cheaper?
>
> Greg

RE: [sore crotch]

> Does anyone have a good source for cycle shorts? You used to see these at
> discount places like Walmart, but now that I actually WANT some, no more.

I have been very pleased with Performance brand bike shorts. I have a 3 yr old
pair of their “century” brand that that are still in great shape and very comfy.
I have also used Nashbar shorts, and Bellweather shorts priced the same as
Performance and haven’t liked them as much, but they aren’t too bad… I’d rate
Nashbar a little better than Bellweather.

Sierra Trading Post also sometimes has good close-out deals on some expensive
stuff like Pearl Izumi.

-Rick