Until recently my default mount was the standard mount (the one in
which your wheel stays sort-of-motionless). Now I prefer the roll-back
mount. I’ve also found lately that after mounting I often need a
sideways correction immediately after riding away, but I hadn’t made
the connection with using another mount.
Today I suddenly realised that the rollback mount uses more force on
the initial pedal, and this force not only rolls back the wheel, but
also pushed the uni to one side. That’s what they call a side effect
Now that I know this, it’s going better. I’m just posting this simple
insight so that it might help others.
Klaas Bil
“To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has been picked automagically from a database:”
“KMI, Plutonuim, black-ops”
I’ve been going about a month and a half and the only mount I can do is I
assume the rollback mount; the book I’ve got just described it under name of
‘free mount’ where you jump on, push the pedal back etcetera.
How do you do a ‘normal’ free mount, not doing this?
Phil, just me
“Klaas Bil” <klaasbil_remove_the_spamkiller_@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:3c758010.4612957@newszilla.xs4all.nl…
> Until recently my default mount was the standard mount (the one in
> which your wheel stays sort-of-motionless). Now I prefer the roll-back
> mount. I’ve also found lately that after mounting I often need a
> sideways correction immediately after riding away, but I hadn’t made
> the connection with using another mount.
>
> Today I suddenly realised that the rollback mount uses more force on
> the initial pedal, and this force not only rolls back the wheel, but
> also pushed the uni to one side. That’s what they call a side effect
>
>
> Now that I know this, it’s going better. I’m just posting this simple
> insight so that it might help others.
>
> Klaas Bil
> –
> “To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has been picked
automagically from a database:”
> “KMI, Plutonuim, black-ops”
I wish I could do more of the standard mounts, rather
than the roll-back mounts. The roll-back seems harder
to do on the trail because it requires more room and
a smoother surface throughout the travel of the wheel.
I never really know what kind of mount I’m going
to do until I get up on the saddle. Sometimes the
wheel rolls back a lot, and so I do a roll-back,
and other times it doesn’t move much at all, so
I do a standard mount.
I tend to twist the Uni clockwise a lot during
the roll-back (I mount with the left foot down).
That also makes it harder when doing mounts
on the trail if it’s bumpy.
“Klaas Bil” <klaasbil_remove_the_spamkiller_@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:3c758010.4612957@newszilla.xs4all.nl…
> Until recently my default mount was the standard mount (the one in
> which your wheel stays sort-of-motionless). Now I prefer the roll-back
> mount. I’ve also found lately that after mounting I often need a
> sideways correction immediately after riding away, but I hadn’t made
> the connection with using another mount.
>
> Today I suddenly realised that the rollback mount uses more force on
> the initial pedal, and this force not only rolls back the wheel, but
> also pushed the uni to one side. That’s what they call a side effect
>
>
> Now that I know this, it’s going better. I’m just posting this simple
> insight so that it might help others.
>
> Until recently my default mount was the standard mount (the one in
> which your wheel stays sort-of-motionless). Now I prefer the roll-back
> mount.
Me too, even though my success rate with a standard mount is a bit
better. I think that, for me, it’s because I have to “set-up” a
standard mount more, but I can do a roll-back more sloppily, with
less preparation. 'Course that might be affecting my success-rate
too! Anyway, a roll-back just feels more casual to execute.
> I’ve also found lately that after mounting I often need a
> sideways correction immediately after riding away, but I hadn’t made
> the connection with using another mount.
>
What I find is that the wheel moves in a arc during the inital
roll-back and roll-forward again, until I get my weight properly
on the saddle. In particular, my left-footed roll-back (and idle)
is rough, so I get a strong arc effect. Right-footed, it’s no
problem.
Idling, the effect results in a sort of precession as I rotate a
few degrees clockwise on each idle-cycle. After a few cycles I
wind up facing the other way. By 8-10 cycles, my left leg is so
tired that I lose coordination and have to dismount. The root
issue is that I’m not getting my weight in the saddle - as much as
I’m trying. Excess force on the left pedal is forcing the wheel
to move in an arc and tiring out my leg.
============================================================
Gardner Buchanan <gbuchana@rogers.com>
Ottawa, ON FreeBSD: Where you want to go. Today.
> I wish I could do more of the standard mounts, rather
> than the roll-back mounts. The roll-back seems harder
> to do on the trail because it requires more room and
> a smoother surface throughout the travel of the wheel.
The “standard” mount I have always talked about, and taught, is where you
roll the wheel 1/2 rev. backward before riding away.
A “standard mount, beginner style” is where the wheel rolls back only 1/4
turn, to where the pedals are vertical and the rider has a hard time going
anywhere.
The kind of mount where the wheel doesn’t roll back doesn’t have a good
name. I call it a rolling mount, but the technical definition of that skill
is where the wheel keeps a continuous forward motion.
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:40:24 -0000, “Phil Himsworth”
<phil@flippet.neeeet> wrote:
>I’ve been going about a month and a half and the only mount I can do is I
>assume the rollback mount; the book I’ve got just described it under name of
>‘free mount’ where you jump on, push the pedal back etcetera.
>
>How do you do a ‘normal’ free mount, not doing this?
On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:37:40 GMT, “Import Car Fan”
<dsholt@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I wish I could do more of the standard mounts, rather
>than the roll-back mounts. The roll-back seems harder
>to do on the trail because it requires more room and
>a smoother surface throughout the travel of the wheel.
There are quite some up and down slopes on the relatively easy trails
I ride on. I find it difficult to do a standard mount on an upslope
(can’t keep the wheel from shooting back). With the rollback mount,
you can adjust the position of your “mounting crank” (more vertical
for an upslope, more horizontal for a downslope) and then the mounting
action itself is about the same.
Klaas Bil
“To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has been picked automagically from a database:”
“zone, Pacini, DT”
If you’re going to do any offroad riding, I really recommend you keep with
your “standard mount” where you don’t do any rollback. And the foot to mount
with is the one such that you mount into your most comfortable hopping
position. Put your foot on, pause, mount, pause, ride. No wheel movement
until the last step. If it’s steep uphill, mount sideways on the trail and
instead of the second pause, do a 90 degree twist.
—Nathan
“Klaas Bil” <klaasbil_remove_the_spamkiller_@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
news:3c758010.4612957@newszilla.xs4all.nl…
> Until recently my default mount was the standard mount (the one in
> which your wheel stays sort-of-motionless). Now I prefer the roll-back
> mount. I’ve also found lately that after mounting I often need a
> sideways correction immediately after riding away, but I hadn’t made
> the connection with using another mount.
>
> Today I suddenly realised that the rollback mount uses more force on
> the initial pedal, and this force not only rolls back the wheel, but
> also pushed the uni to one side. That’s what they call a side effect
>
>
> Now that I know this, it’s going better. I’m just posting this simple
> insight so that it might help others.
>
> Klaas Bil
> –
> “To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has been picked
automagically from a database:”
> “KMI, Plutonuim, black-ops”
We talk about introducing “cossack” and “toofeno” and such, and we
wouldn’t have a term for the very first thing one has to demonstrate
for level one???
I’m sure many people use “standard mount” for the mount in which the
wheel stays sort-of-motionless. If your (JF’s) use of this term for a
rollback mount is more wide-spread, that actually makes the term
pretty useless (unless someone’s talking about their personal standard
mount, but I just use “default mount” for that). Calling the
“motionless” mount a rolling mount as you suggest is not a good idea
IMHO, as you say yourself the wheel should keep rolling.
To avoid misunderstanding, I suggest to use “rolling mount” and
“rollback mount” for … well that’s obvious. The other mount could
unambiguously be called a “standstill mount” or a “motionless mount”
or a non-rollback mount. But to me “standard mount” says it all.
What do others think?
Klaas Bil
P.S. Alternatively one could think of “positive rotation mount”, “zero
rotation mount” and “negative rotation mount”. No I’m kidding but it
struck me that all three mounts are just variations in this respect. -
KB
>> I wish I could do more of the standard mounts, rather
>> than the roll-back mounts. The roll-back seems harder
>> to do on the trail because it requires more room and
>> a smoother surface throughout the travel of the wheel.
>
>The “standard” mount I have always talked about, and taught, is where you
>roll the wheel 1/2 rev. backward before riding away.
>
>A “standard mount, beginner style” is where the wheel rolls back only 1/4
>turn, to where the pedals are vertical and the rider has a hard time going
>anywhere.
>
>The kind of mount where the wheel doesn’t roll back doesn’t have a good
>name. I call it a rolling mount, but the technical definition of that skill
>is where the wheel keeps a continuous forward motion.
>
>How about a walking mount?
>
>JF
–
“To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has been picked automagically from a database:”
“zone, Pacini, DT”
“Horizontal mount”, or some veriation there on- it is a natural complement to the other beginer mount, the “pedal down”. “Stillstand mount” intuitively makes sence only after you have already mastered the skill, and may not preclude the down pedal mount in the mind of the beginer. Perhaps Dr. Stone could come to our aid…?
We only have to define what it is- not what it is not. By definition, the roll back mount is not this mount, nor is any type of rolling mount or jump mount. Humm… maybe we need a contest. Let’s just call it the Christopher Mount and be done with it.
I know we don’t like using this word around here, but how about we call it the “bicycle mount.” I learned to mount this way from my years of bike riding, it basically was instinct and felt natural.
I like Bil’s suggestions. I never quite understood the subtle diff’s bw
some of the mounts mentioned.
David Stone
klaasbil_remove_the_spamkiller_@xs4all.nl writes:
>We talk about introducing “cossack” and “toofeno” and such, and we
>wouldn’t have a term for the very first thing one has to demonstrate
>for level one???
>
>I’m sure many people use “standard mount” for the mount in which the
>wheel stays sort-of-motionless. If your (JF’s) use of this term for a
>rollback mount is more wide-spread, that actually makes the term
>pretty useless (unless someone’s talking about their personal standard
>mount, but I just use “default mount” for that). Calling the
>“motionless” mount a rolling mount as you suggest is not a good idea
>IMHO, as you say yourself the wheel should keep rolling.
>
>To avoid misunderstanding, I suggest to use “rolling mount” and
>“rollback mount” for … well that’s obvious. The other mount could
>unambiguously be called a “standstill mount” or a “motionless mount”
>or a non-rollback mount. But to me “standard mount” says it all.
>
>What do others think?
>
>Klaas Bil
>
>P.S. Alternatively one could think of “positive rotation mount”, “zero
>rotation mount” and “negative rotation mount”. No I’m kidding but it
>struck me that all three mounts are just variations in this respect. -
>KB
>
>On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:38:28 -0800, John Foss <john_foss@asinet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> I wish I could do more of the standard mounts, rather
>>> than the roll-back mounts. The roll-back seems harder
>>> to do on the trail because it requires more room and
>>> a smoother surface throughout the travel of the wheel.
>>
>>The “standard” mount I have always talked about, and taught, is where you
>>roll the wheel 1/2 rev. backward before riding away.
>>
>>A “standard mount, beginner style” is where the wheel rolls back only 1/4
>>turn, to where the pedals are vertical and the rider has a hard time
>going
>>anywhere.
>>
>>The kind of mount where the wheel doesn’t roll back doesn’t have a good
>>name. I call it a rolling mount, but the technical definition of that
>skill
>>is where the wheel keeps a continuous forward motion.
>>
>>How about a walking mount?
>>
>>JF
>
>–
>“To trigger/fool/saturate/overload Echelon, the following has been picked
>automagically from a database:”
>“zone, Pacini, DT”
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> We talk about introducing “cossack” and “toofeno” and such, and we
> wouldn’t have a term for the very first thing one has to demonstrate
> for level one???
>
I think the pedals-vertical beginner mount should be called a trash
mount.
I think the motionless mount should be called a cliffside.
I think the reverse half-rev mount should be called a pendulum.
The forward-rolling walking mount could be called a getaway.
I like “roll-back mount” for the one where you do a quick roll-back as you get on.
I like “forward mount” for the mount in which you don’t do a rollback, because you get on and go forward.
I like “pedal-down mount” for the one where you just put a pedal down, hop on, and hope to do something with it.
Also, there is the “sign mount” which could be the “rail mount” or “wall mount” also. I prefer the “sign mount” because when that is the only mount you can do (using an external vertical object to get you on), you start noticing all the street signs you take for granted sometimes as a pedestrian.
Finally, the “curb mount” for when you use a brick, rock, or curb to stop the cycle from rolling back, so that you can stand on both pedals and then drive away. I say “curb mount” again because once you start going around neighborhoods, you’ll know all the places where the curbs are sweet.
I’m glad I can do the rollback mount. I don’t think I will ever learn the forward mount, because I can’t jump high, and I can’t lift my other leg quickly enough, and on the rare occasion I do manage to touch my leg to the second pedal before I put too much pressure on the initial (back) pedal, I am always leaning way to far backward to start going forward, even when i try to stand as forward as I can. Grr.
Anybody know the best mount for being in trails and stuff? It is difficult but I’m having to just make the roll-back work on the trail (the one time I went off-road), tho occasionally I find a well-placed thin tree, so I can do a “sign monut”.
> Anybody know the best mount for being in trails and stuff? It is
> difficult but I’m having to just make the roll-back work on the trail
> (the one time I went off-road), tho occasionally I find a well-placed
> thin tree, so I can do a “sign monut”.
Don’t ignore thick trees, fence posts, other riders and overhanging
branches. All make handy udge ups in times of extreme need.
Do ignore wire fences with sharp bits on, unless you want to spend the
rest of the ride “doing the little teapot” like Barry had to at BMW3.
sarah
British Unicycle Convention #9 April 19-21 2002
Unicycle Hockey, Games, Muni rides, Quidditch and Barn dance
Harry Cheshire High School, Habberley rd, Kidderminster http://www.unicycle.org.uk/buc9/
Jump mount to still stand- can be done on an incline or on a rough surface because you are interacting with just one point, then hop to a rideable position.
I just came across this issue last week when I was trying to differentiate
between the two standard mounts.
I used “standard forward mount” and “standard roll-back mount.” Both are
just the basic mount, but they are different. (In fact, I can do only the
roll-back with my right foot and only the forward with my left foot.)
Many adults seem to favor the roll-back. I use it most of the time, even on
my 27. But the forward mount is neat because when the second foot lands on
the pedal, you move forward immediately.
I wonder if kids favor the standard forward?
I also wonder if it’s a good idea to learn both variations with both feet. I
think it might be helpful, but I’m not sure why.
Carol M.
Minnesota
>From: klaasbil_remove_the_spamkiller_@xs4all.nl (Klaas Bil)
>To: rsu@unicycling.org
>Subject: Re: Sideways correction after freemount
>Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:15:09 GMT
>
>We talk about introducing “cossack” and “toofeno” and such, and we
>wouldn’t have a term for the very first thing one has to demonstrate
>for level one???
>
>I’m sure many people use “standard mount” for the mount in which the
>wheel stays sort-of-motionless. If your (JF’s) use of this term for a
>rollback mount is more wide-spread, that actually makes the term
>pretty useless (unless someone’s talking about their personal standard
>mount, but I just use “default mount” for that). Calling the
>“motionless” mount a rolling mount as you suggest is not a good idea
>IMHO, as you say yourself the wheel should keep rolling.
>
>To avoid misunderstanding, I suggest to use “rolling mount” and
>“rollback mount” for … well that’s obvious. The other mount could
>unambiguously be called a “standstill mount” or a “motionless mount”
>or a non-rollback mount. But to me “standard mount” says it all.
>
>What do others think?
>
>Klaas Bil
>
>P.S. Alternatively one could think of “positive rotation mount”, “zero
>rotation mount” and “negative rotation mount”. No I’m kidding but it
>struck me that all three mounts are just variations in this respect. -
>KB
>
>On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:38:28 -0800, John Foss <john_foss@asinet.com>
>wrote:
>
> >
> >The “standard” mount I have always talked about, and taught, is where you
> >roll the wheel 1/2 rev. backward before riding away.
> >
> >A “standard mount, beginner style” is where the wheel rolls back only 1/4
> >turn, to where the pedals are vertical and the rider has a hard time
>going
> >anywhere.
> >
> >The kind of mount where the wheel doesn’t roll back doesn’t have a good
> >name. I call it a rolling mount, but the technical definition of that
>skill
> >is where the wheel keeps a continuous forward motion.
> >
> >How about a walking mount?
> >
> >JF
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Killing your favorite foot dominance is a GOOD thing.
Some examples: on our recent off-roading, the bigest limitation on Lewis’s riding was muscle fatigue and strain from overexerting the same muscels. Perhaps if he were inclined to use whichever foot was convienient, he could distribute the impact. I can only iddle comfortably on one side (makes me ashamed to admit it)- but I have a great opertunity to develope my off foot skills, as I have torn my right pectoral. Now I get to develope my off-foot hopping like I always wanted to… With some effort, I’ll be able to take advantage of rolling hops from either back foot, rolling mounts as soon as either pedal is in the sweet spot, etc. This will also allow you to extend the life of your tire.
