Seeking geared unicycle prototype demonstrater/collaborator for startup company.

Cousin Itt

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I think like you said earlier it’d be too early for that. I sure as heck got some interest on this page lol…you talk about revolutionizing Unicycle technology and boy you either like the ideal or you hate it.

Now caution: I have a long one for those who feel like wasting there time reading all this

This was about money to some extent, but it is a personal thing, so I am going to chill on posting threads or even polls about it for a little while…like I said before I LOVE SPEED, and I want to truly replace my bicycle (by the way I stopped owning bicycles years ago).

I know zooming around on a unicycle may make some of you squeamish, but I would never ever say something “like I would never want to go as fast as a road bike goes” lol, because to me I don’t care if someone else said it but if I said it, it would be “sacrilege” since in the sense that I am truly talking of “competing” with bicycles now because for a while before Kris holm or the Unigeezer or I knew about Redford Unicycling club none of my immediate friends and family knew Unicycles existed. I never want it to get that way again here, I want people to be aware that you can use a unicycle as viable transportation, or for the sport/novelty of it, whatever you want.

Unicycling takes Loyalty, commitment, and dedication to learn, as with business or making geared unicycles.

IMO there is way more marketability for Dual chain unicycles due to affordability, again, 1 speed, very simple, Justin has 1 as you mentioned, the Purple Phazer is another example as well.

Now about geared hubs; Unfortunately importation from some countries doesn’t make anything cheaper either , Like import taxes on European products, or European taxes on American products, looks like if there ever is a 5 speed “American made” unicycle than Some countries will have to unfortunately deal with the taxes, and vice versa, so that being said this French guy I keep hearing about can rest easy, like his product will be a little bit cheaper in his country than in in my country and # 2 it’s going to take some extensive testing, research, and development to get this thing going, as well as plenty of money which I whole heartedly plan to invest in it just to make it real for the interested and worst case scenario myself. It’s not like (personal information alert) once I pay off some bills here that my current employment won’t allow me to invest at least 20 grand a year or more if I didn’t have to pay for living arrangement/expenses—sure I’d be willing to spend tens of thousands just to make 1 prototype! I’m sure doing so with a car or a motorcycle would cost millions if not billions (depending on what car we are talking about) and take decades to develop.

I am hoping to give all unicyclist over the entire world options for the willing though.

Right now my goal is to make professional quality blueprints and make rough prototypes (they won’t be ride-able) for demonstration purposes only. Eventually though if it turns out only 10 people on the planet earth want one, and they wind up getting 1 I still think that’s pretty awesome as I never had the opportunity to just throw money at this to get 1…XD.

Another issue that I hear is that only rich people can get such a product, that’s part of the reason that I was working (and may still be offering) with dual chain products

I don’t believe it’s just a rich persons thing to have a geared unicycle hub though, unless you are at poverty level, what I think it is, is distribution of money, for example if you are an middle class adult you can afford a 20-30 grand car. well cars can be as cheap as 2 grand, now you spend 100k on a house, imagine is you could by an old used 50 k house (and I’m not talking about some run down crime ridden city, were talking country side etc.). imagine if you made 28K (not what I make and way lower than minimum wage) a year, you could finance the house and the car and you would still have around maybe 10k to spare a year…or even better you are 18 and live at home and make 15k a year, that will leave you around slightly more, etc.

I will plan to eventually start the intended company by getting my ideal company name legally licensed as a company eventually, all that cost money and unfortunately now I only have few k a year to spare at the moment on development considering my excessive bills, now I’ve told you guys a little too much about my personal life, this is not about making a big name in the Unicycle world for myself, in fact unless you can contribute in someway to this project I’d rather not have people know who I really am…I don’t need the attention, other more skilled unicyclist deserve that :wink:

hopefully that gives you guys a better understanding of my intentions and commitment level.

Unicycles have 1 benefit over bicycles which I use to excuse my obsession, they can fit in car trunks, bicycles are cumbersome and break down due to complexity easily that being said, having a geared hub on a unicycle isn’t going to reduce complexity, and my first ever unicycle was some cheap piece of junk that broke apart in 2 months, I had to upgrade.

This is kind of the most exciting thing that’s happened all year (only been 26 days though) never had so much fun having educated debates/discussions…only with unicycles XD

#1 The biggest issue is going to be durability and affordability of course–because the bike companies sure already put like 14+ speeds in an internal hub–

#2 according to theory and sketches I have made it should work but I won’t know for sure I am hoping XD.

#3 Perhaps each gearing will have to be cater built to certain wheel sizes and the differences in ratios will have to be smaller I would assume for those not looking for speed.

#4 Please feel free to be inspired to build hubs and/or gearing systems of you own so people can actually try for themselves etc.

#5 Mass producing would make everything cheaper than what it is, and you imagine if unicyclist amounted to 1/100 of bicyclist in the world…that’s a lot of people, not compared to other cyclist but just overall

#6 As far as my personal experience I have ridden up to a 29 inch wheel size. The only thing about the geared unicycle seems to be that higher gearing may put torsion on the frame twisting the seat out from under the rider.

#7 Mainly a speed thing for me, not a long distance thing. Higher speed/gearing does not equal better for long distances.

#8 Danger is relative when if you have ridden 60+ mph wheelies on motorcycle on the freeway—(by the way Kerry McLean from Michigan made an interesting 1 wheel motorcycle that I thought about trying) He holds the record at approximately 120 something mph. talk about danger!

Feel free to continue on the subject, just for the heck of it. I will try to shut up until I am permitted to share drawings under my contract or until I make some prototypes or both.

You should contact Dakoroman here on the forums. From what I’ve read you two would make the perfect collaboration. Together you could make these hubs a reality.

Unfortunately, I don’t have any direct contact details for Dakoroman but just send him a PM.

Good luck in your endeavors and I look forward to reading more about your project in the future.

I don’t get the impression that anyone hates the idea of revolutionising unicycle technology. I just get the impression that most people reading this thread come away feeling that all you have so far is an idea to do something, and not even the background of having looked into what has already been done in that direction. I am a very new unicyclist but I have read with interest previous threads on this forum from people that have designed these hubs, which you don’t seem to be aware of. Or interested in. I’m a writer, and at the moment you just seem like the guy at a party who comes up and tells me he has this great idea for a book which is going to take the world by storm, all he needs is someone to write it down for him but of course he can’t tell me what his great idea is, because I would steal it. What makes a book, or (I suspect) a new technological innovation, is not just the idea - ideas are ten a penny - but the hard work and appropriate gifting to materialise the idea in usable form. The mention of Tommy is the only detail that grounds this project in reality, that I can see from what you have told us. But I really hope it happens

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Thank you for your very clear comment, I share totaly your opinion

When I started my 3 gears hub project in mid 2009 after Induni unitour, I wanted 3 gears and that’s all. I took me 6 months to find the technical solution, then I shared it with Kris Holm, Roger Davies, Nathan Hoover and other guys to get their opinon. Then 2 years later after improving my design I met and discussed a lot with Florian Schlumpf, he analysed my concept and agreed it should work but he refused to collaborate and adviced me to build a prototype and develop it, as he did 10 years earlier …
Everything takes a lot of time, may be one day I will build a prototype; I’m working in an automotive company, I’m ingeneer, close to my desk are gearboxes experts, CAD data started 1 year ago with the support of the best muni and road unirider; I am in contact with a company you agreed to build my parts … Everything seems feasible, just I need to do it

Yes, yes, yes I know there are other people who designed these hubs, and you know with the exception of Schlumpf they don’t take us Unicyclist seriously so I really don’t care what they do since the refuse to help unicycle riders either by coming up with a product or either collaborating intellectually there theory of operation, even if I was some rich guy willing to pay that wouldn’t help…of course I can understand it, but I still think most of the bicycle companies are just greedy. The funny thing is At least someone on this forum doesn’t even think I know how to ride a unicycle…I have a sem 24 inch and a custom unicycle made from nimbus/kris holm parts. I at least consider myself an experienced beginner since I have been riding for 8 years. It is very true I don’t like to push boundaries; when I ride the only thing I do is role forward very long distances.or ride as fast as I can or take corners as fast as I can I will admit.there are much braver and skilled unicyclists then me.

Personally even if this becomes reality, there is going to always be someone later on who is going to “one up me”… Let’s just chill on it, i “ain’t” trying to prove myself or build something just to prove I am a better builder than anyone else because THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME OR MY PERSONAL LIFE…the thing is i’ve already got so much support, a lot more than what I was expecting.it’s kind of why I posted on this siteam, I wanted to find help, considering i’ve been trying for 6 years to come up with a design and/or build this ideal. Right now it seems it seems it’s going to become a reality sometime in the next 3 years since it’s now or never considering I’ve got 4 very talented and gifted sources to help me and suggest things.

Wish I had studied to be an engineer, than I would have known how to use CAD instead of having to pay other people to do it.:frowning:

Instead I am just a dumb technician (sarcasm)…most of the technicians I work with know there stuff :smiley:

Please bouin-bouin make your ideal, i mean i’m not going to really be able to invest all of my paycheck into this until I pay off some of my bills. I used a ruler this time in My recent drawings lol, but they still aren’t the best…

What will you call your company?

What will you call your company?..And by the way this fellow made this comment in response to someone elses comment…

Look if my crappy ideal works maybe we can collaborate…if not that’s fine I get it…I haven’t earned the respect.

Someday though I hope to see 4 or 5 unicyclist in the world riding on 5 speeds.

Who did say that?

Edit: I share your need of being able to ride at about the same speed on a unicycle as the speed I ride on a bike.
In my case it is what happens, I can ride my G29 up to about 30km/h (29.4km/h max so far, but I still feel I’m in the start of the learning curve with only 400km on this G29, + about 700-1000km on a G26, I’ll go faster when I will be more confident on it).
I have rode the same place I used to ride on my 20" folding bike and I don’t think I go faster on this bike than I do with the G29, but I’m still slower than most of real size bikes.
I’d like to go a bit faster, but like you pointed out, Schlumpf hubs are expensive, even second hand one, so the only other solution I’d have so far to go faster would be to use a G36, but it’s heavier and more complicated to ride in urban conditions.
That’s where I’d like to have a 3rd speed, close to 2:1
So what you project to do, I think many unicyclists would like to have : a 3 or more speeds cheap unicycle : yes I’d like to see it becoming a reality.
Keep us updated.

Thanks man, I missed your post somehow, I am relieved the whole world isn’t against me now…laughs.

I think this Mr bouin-bouin can chill in Europe maybe while I will see what I can do for the USA and/or other countries that speak English, I do have interest in expanding to Asia but that is a big if…

The name of a company in a niche market is not important at all, what is important is the product itself, even if not perfect as the Schlumpf which is still suffering from durability issues after 10 years of continuous improvments

I think you should first look at all subjects related to geared hubs here in this forum, including mine I already shared with real data.

Do you know Greg Harper ? Christoph Hartmann ? Huni Rex ? Justin ? DangerDog ? Jogi Pfender ? Frank Bonsch ? Unisk8r ?

Don’t forget most of the uni’s companies are in Europe (Nimbus, QU-AX, QX, Impact, Schlumpf, Triton), except Kris Holm who is a friend and knows perfectly my 3 gears hub project since the beginning (even if he doesn’t share the interest of under gear)

Relax man, I get your point. I hate to play the race card, but I don’t think African American based products would do well in some areas of that country that’s all, 2nd of all I don’t want to sound like i’m trying to steal your “Thunder”, just trying to share the the earth market by letting you “takeover” your country. I have really had some uni ideals since 2010, 1 year after yours, but I never knew who to collaborate with. BY THE WAY I HATE PLAYING THE POOR ME RACE CARD, because I love being a fan of Metal (music) and I know people are probably sick of us whining about that lol…anyways change of subject the unicycles, how the “hay” would I market to a country in a language I can’t even speak, you know people in Europe I do not. That is simply one of the reasons as well.

Plus sometimes the more companies there are the more they are likely to try to compete with you, less companies less people, usually less ego…I explained that this is why I am gravitating toward this niche…oh and I just happen to like unicycles as well.

Wow.

Internally geared hubs fell out of favor of the majority here in the USA as did sportbike motorcycles, i feel like I am attempting to fight for things that fell out of mainstream favor, take for example the Penny farthing which many people credit as the origin of Unicycles…because of the way they were set up unicycles were just as capable, now that bicycles have gears people in the majority tend to view the unicycle as obsolete or just slow, I am trying to fight that fight for unicyclist, and for the most part I kind of got the support I need but of course 99% of the unicyclist i’m fighting for are telling me to do stuff like ask myself why? Or trying to tell me there is no money to be made…of course I have already pondered this myself…now anyways I am communicating with at least 1 famous unicyclist, none of which who you mentioned but still pretty famous., which of course I hate that i sound like i am bragging about it, but yes I am a nobody in the unicycle world, I really would rather keep it that way, …I just like my secret identities like that bro.

Before this gets blown out of proportion let’s all check out bouin bouins ideal please, i’m sure his is will be a tad bit lighter than mine when and if it comes out…both our ideals share an underdrive, i’d like to think his will be under the $2000 Mark. Now i’ver created a PERFECT niche for you guy, take it or leave it…we could be friends instead of sounding like rivals.

I am strictly thinking of aiming for heavy duty downhill and freeride esque operation. Typically road cyclist may not need a lot of gears when there only close ratio gears, kind of like road bicyclist do not need 28 speeds. Just 10 speeds for your typical road bike. I don’t think a heavy hub will cater well to XC either…so that leaves just 2 people on the planet earth that want one, oh well. :stuck_out_tongue:

Ummmm … OK I think you just jumped some fairly important sharks there without even noticing, which is worrying. I have no idea what you are talking about with this race thing, and I certainly can’t see the relevance. And as boudin boudin has an actual product and all you have is the idea it would be nice to have one, i don’t think it is really up to you to be de using what section of the world market he might be entitled to?

Forgive me if I’m wrong but wasnt the whole idea of this thread to hire a Unicyclist to advertise your [non existent] hub. I’m sure if you can hire a Unicyclist you can hire someone who speaks a different language to write your marketing…

Apologies - I just spotted that my autocarrot has turned Bouin-bouin into something more like a double-barrelled pudding! Unfortunately I missed the ‘edit’ window.

This reads like the reincarnation of dakoroman with some slight improvement in language skills. I don’t think the OP has any grasp of the engineering requirements or materials limitations for a project like this. Regardless of any claims that this is not somehow personal, the OP responds with accusations of personal attacks rather than with any discussion about technical details of the project.

We have all seen this before.