Has this ever been posted here?
Is it true?
Certainly wouldn’t surprise me
it will never happen
i got this off ctrl-alt-del. http://cad-comic.com/news.php?i=1087#1088
read the net nuetrality news post… it seems the threat is very real… im not sure if its just for america or if they plan to do it worldwide but it could mean devastation for small companies who use the internet as a source of income… anyway read it…
The Internet already looks like cable TV. It’s been doomed ever since it became commercial.
Well, as long as a single company doesn’t have a monopoly, you can expect market forces to allow the consumer to choose an ISP that gives them unrestricted internet access.
It’s a bit scarier than to hope ‘market forces’ will offer protection.
Might as well scrap your entire constitution, surely ‘market forces’ will protect you?
I’m not saying that it will, but why are you so sure that it won’t? What makes you so sure?
From C|Net: Democrats lose House vote on Net neutrality
But have no fear. Moveon.org is on the case and hyping the net neutrality movement.
This isn’t the end. There will be more legislation and debate to come regarding network neutrality. You can stop the panic.
its illeagal to have a monopoly in the usa, so we will always have atleast two isp’s meaning we will always have competition, meaning it wont happen
Looking at that article, there are some very big name companies in support of network neutrality. Big names that have an interest in getting people online to view all pages and services on the internet. If the telcos/cable companies restrict the internet they provide, these big players would probably join together and create their own ISP and they could. They could probably bring fiber to the home, or deploy Wimax for nation-wide access.
As for unicyclist.com, currently, there are about a dozen carriers or peerings that your access could go through. Theoretically, the internet was made to not break if one point of failure breaks.
…did you read the article?
No matter how many ISPs there are, if they all start charging for high speed access, people are screwed over…
Think about that the next time you vote for President. Uh, okay, the first time you vote. Only two viable candidates to choose from, and you might not like either one. Sometimes “not being a monopoly” isn’t good enough.
Plus, remember when they broke up Ma Bell in the early 80s (not you, Habby, older people I guess)? The monster has been reconsolidating ever since. Most recently it was the merger between the gigantic SBC (Southern BELL Corp.) with AT&T. First you have to prove someone is a monopoly, in court, which often takes years. Then after you break them up, they may re-form a few years later under a different description.
For us who are aware of the issues: Don’t do business with a company that wants to “slant” the content delivered to your browser. Inform your friends about the situation so they can make free choices. Right now my provider is SureWest, who are pretty small (for the moment). I’ll keep my eyes on them If I detect they are being “bought” by one of the big guys, I’ll switch.
But this problem has the potential to be very real. And it won’t go away as long as there is financial incentive for the big media companies to do it. The incentive is there, and has lots of zeroes after it. This will not go away anytime soon. They will keep pushing.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of bandwidth does this site go through? Now that I think of it, how much does it cost to keep this site going (hardware, time spent on maintenance, bandwidth etc)?
I think as long as one ISP provides unrestricted internet access they will all have to. In order to restrict your customers access you have to have customers. As soon as one of them does it, poof, they have no customers and the unrestricted ISP’s have more. Market forces at work.
The only way to stay in business is to offer a service that is at least comparable to the competition in terms of value. The only way I could see companies that restrict access being successful is if they were to offer the service at a greatly reduced cost (which would be possible because they’d make money from the “elite” websites that pay to remain unrestricted).
The government should not be telling what data service providers need to offer, as that creates problems for new entry into the marketplace, and just more hassles for business all around. Instead they should be defining terminology and then enforce truth in advertising.
Have you all heard?
this got passed.
goodbye net neutrality.
You mean it failed. The issue was to pass a law
requiring net neutrality and it failed leaving things the way they are.
Or was there another proposed legislation you’re refering to?
Adam Curry has a view on it;
However I don’t agree with him:
- He does’nt mention there hardly is any peering in the US, compare to Europe.
Have a look at the member lists of the NYIIX. LA? Even less! And the PAIX isn’t that neutral either. - He doesnt mention that at many peering consortiums there usually is a max amount of traffic to put over IX’es, forcing you to private peering.
- Where are these so called high-speed networks? Today it’s hard to get neutral space for a decent price in a common datacenter. The infrastructure of the net in the US is soo poor!
- His company went bankrupt (but still he calls himself succesfully)
- The co-owner of that company was a former employee of the TROS, a “public” broadcasting company which has many shares in Tiscali (a large ISP). Once their company went down, he start working there again. 1st action: canceling te private peering with Garnier (by then the largest streaming platform, with many large radio stations). Result: Tiscali subscribers could’nt connect to those streams anymore:
and that is exactly what this is about!
So to those who sais: it will never happen… it’s going on already.
Like john foss sais; like SBC (or WorldCom)… do you realy think politics has so much grip on the market, that they’ll decide how an ISP’s BGP table looks like?
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well if it does go ahead, we’ll have to make our own internet. we’ll get some of that nifty blue cable which goes from the computer to the wall and has networking, and put one from each computer to a big station. there will be ladies (or men) sitting there changing around the wires in a big switch board for the ones we want.