?'s - turning on a 24" Gazz

Hi,

After having been on my 20" United with a Primo tire for three weeks, I just went back to my 24" XLW with the 2.6 GAzz on it. Is it me or the tire?

Doing figure 8’s on the XLW is just tough. After doing this on the 20" and going to the 24" my balance is off and I can’t do steep angled turns as I did on the 20" with primo tire at 45psi. The uni just seems to fall away at a certain high angle.

The Gazz was at about 22psi. I have had this problem with this uni since I bought it three months ago. I have increased the tire pressure as well and found that made it harder to control.

I was curious if anyone else has had the same problem with the Gazz or other Muni tire. Realistically, I don’t think people are going to do steep angled turns on hard pack anyway, so maybe this is really a non issue.

I will keep plugging away at it.

Thanks

As I recall, the Primo tire is very rounded if you take a cross sectional
view (perpendicular to the tire). I think this roundness helps the BMX
guys doing ramps to be a lot smoother. It is a pavement tire.
http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com/images/products/primothewall.jpg

The Gazz, as well as other downhill tires, is more of a rectangular
design, with ridges on both sides of the tire. This gives you more rubber
on the dirt when cornering, which will dig in and hold you up.
http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com/images/products/nokiangaz2430.jpg

Each tire has it’s own purpose and environment. Each of these particular
tires is a specialist in their own field. Try doing sharp figure 8s on
your Primo on hardpack and maybe you’ll see it doesn’t grip very well.
Conversely try doing figure 8s on your Gazz on pavement. Those lugs should
really grip the pavement, impeding your smooth, liquid motion.

You’re also dealing with the difference between a 20" and a 24". I’ve
always found it easier to corner very sharply with the 20", no matter what
tire I have on the 24". It’s even worse with a 26".

Maybe the solution is to “keep plugging away”, and eventually you’ll
become a ballerina on the Gazz. But I’m sure it’d rather kick dirt down
some hill.

Don_TaiATyahooDOTcoDOTuk, Toronto, Canada
http://torontounicyclists.tripod.com

teachndad wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> After having been on my 20" United with a Primo tire for three weeks,
> I just went back to my 24" XLW with the 2.6 GAzz on it. Is it me or
> the tire?
>
> Doing figure 8’s on the XLW is just tough. After doing this on the 20"
> and going to the 24" my balance is off and a can’t do steep angled turns
> as I did on the 20" with primo tire at 45psi. The uni just seems to fall
> away at a certain shallow angle.
>
> The Gazz was at about 22psi. I have had this problem with this uni since
> I bought it three months ago. I have increased the tire pressure as well
> and found that made it harder to control.
>
> I was curious if anyone else has had the same problem with the Gazz
> or other Muni tire. Realistically, I don’t think people are going to
> do steep angled turns on hard pack anyway, so maybe this is really a
> non issue.
>
> I will keep plugging away at it.
>
> Thanks
>
> –
> teachndad Posted via the Unicyclist Community -
> http://unicyclist.com/forums

> Doing figure 8’s on the XLW is just tough. After doing this on the 20"
> and going to the 24" my balance is off and a can’t do steep angled turns
> as I did on the 20" with primo tire at 45psi. The uni just seems to fall
> away at a certain shallow angle.

I agree with Don Tai’s response. The 2.6" Gazz for me was lousy in general
on pavement, and definitely bad for turning. But that’s not what it’s made
for, so I didn’t worry about it. Any riding of the Gazz on pavement was
basically detracting from the tire’s overall life on the dirt, which is
where it belongs.

A 24" wheel will tend to have more tire on the ground (everything else
being equal) than a 20", so there is more friction against your turn. In
less you’re going relatively fast such as in spinning maneuvers, it is
probably incrementally more difficult to turn on. The rest of is is
basically the fact the everything else is probably not equal between your
20" and 24".

Stay on top, John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

“Our time is a most precious commodity, but it’s how we spend it that
makes us rich.” - John Foss

wrt John’s previous reply: The amount of tire on the pavement/dirt/surface, in area, depends on the combined weight of the unicycle and rider and the tire pressure. Any tire that can be safely jacked up in pressure will have less surface area in contact with the road. As experienced by all, comfort will be sacrificed in doing this. Hopping will probably be hindered by high pressure as well.

> Doing figure 8’s on the XLW is just tough. After doing this on the 20"
> and going to the 24" my balance is off and a can’t do steep angled turns
> as I did on the 20" with primo tire at 45psi. The uni just seems to fall
> away at a certain shallow angle.
>
> The Gazz was at about 22psi. I have had this problem with this uni since
> I bought it three months ago. I have increased the tire pressure as well
> and found that made it harder to control.

On my 26" gazzaloddi it is pretty difficult to do tight normal turns, I
usually do action-reaction turns if I need anything tight on that, riding
a coker a lot develops great action-reaction turn skills.

Having down some pretty serious (for me) downhilling this weekend, I
noticed that during any difficult obstacle I was doing loads of
action-reaction turns, between obstacles I was doing normal turns to keep
the line. My upper body is aching like hell now.

Joe