RE: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a

> I still feel strongly that some effort should be made to
> maintain the better aspects of the sport. If go mainstreem
> it must, we should at least tread very very carfuly while
> we still have the control.

I don’t intend to do anything other. I don’t think anyone does. But remember
how these things get big. I think a big part of it is that it becomes a
business. Looking at unicycling from the organization point of view, in
other words the Unicycling Society of America in this country, I can see
growing only fairly slowly in the past 30 years. That’s in part because the
USA is not a business, and is not run by people looking to make it grow and
be successful.

The Japan Unicycling Association was started in 1978 (5 years after the
USA), and within 10 years they had millions of unicyclists in Japan. This
was because it was built by two businessmen, with the intent of selling lots
of unicycles.

I believe sports get big when there is money involved. And when money does
get involved, peoples’ motivations change. Not all people, but some. You
have to expect people, if they’re doing it for a business, to try and be
successful at it. As the unicycle market grows, people who make or sell
unicycles will be able to actually make a living at it. This is a very
recent phenomenon. Almost everybody in this business is either a larger
company making unicycles as a sideline (like bike companies), or has another
form of income (like shows or other products). Almost nobody does
exclusively unicycles for a living. When this changes, other things will
change as well. Most of the results will be beneficial to the unicyclists
out there.

> Be very very carful about where exactly the publicity
> is placed and who its aimed at.

That’s a tough one. It’s hard to know what a press person is going to do
with the information you give them. We try, but sometimes it is not
presented in the light we expect. I remember a local newspaper article about
the 1992 USA Nationals in Minnesota. A half-page of pictures of people
crashing on the track. Is that really all they saw? No, but it’s what they
thought their readers wanted to see I guess…

> The sport has grown. Nobody (well, maybe some people…i
> am) is riding the trails on cheap steal rims and street tires.

Sure they are. More than most of us think, I imagine. They’re just not
telling us about it. But they’re catching glimpses of Kris Holm or others,
and going out and trying it themselves. If they wear out or break their
cheap unicycles, it grows the market when they upgrade.

> I’m just asking people to weigh the consiquences and be smart
> about what we do. And make sure we are really doing the right
> thing.

How?

Part of the problem is the growth itself. When there are a million active
unicyclists, there is simply not a way for them to easily communicate on a
personal basis like we do in our newsgroup and forums. Even we (the Internet
people) are only a small fraction of the unicyclists out there. We must
remind ourselves that the vast majority of unicyclists are out riding, and
not sitting in front of computers… :slight_smile:

Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
2002 NAUCC and UNICON Referee
jfoss@unicycling.com

Go to NAUCC and UNICON 2002! www.nwcue.org

I don’t intend to do anything other. I don’t think anyone does. But remember
how these things get big. I think a big part of it is that it becomes a
business. Looking at unicycling from the organization point of view, in
other words the Unicycling Society of America in this country, I can see
growing only fairly slowly in the past 30 years. That’s in part because the
USA is not a business, and is not run by people looking to make it grow and
be successful.-John Foss

i dont understand, inst the US, one big comercially ownned country? this is the part of me that is ignorent, and not knowing of everything, but you say that the “usa is not a buiness, and not run by people looking to make it grow and be successful” well what about George Bush Jr. like the US, is the most powerful country in teh world… they use that power to push other countries around, like Canada, and otehr countries. To me as a Canadian, all i see in George Bush and his goverment (forget what is use for his… party or wahtever in power.) but all i see is him trying to make the us bigger, and what he thinks better. He wont sign treats about global warming because he only cares about the United states econemy, money growth, and not the enviroment, were in teh long run, if americans keep on using so much resources, and polute so much, this world will become withered and left of clean water, natural resources, all that we need, in a few hundred years. He alwile ago i believe just admited that there was global warming, i believe. Now, i believ that america is very successful …at a price. Now iver totaly gone ona rant, mosly because im in bad mood, and this is what i do when im not happy, but to sum it up, unicycling and america being run by people who people who not lookin to make it grow and be successufl, look at some other countries. then you look at yoru country, now tell me that america is not successful, well all i have to say. WHAT I SAID SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN SEROUSLY BECAUSE I AM AN IGNORENT NORTH AMERICAN, AND WE DO NOT KNOW MUCH FROM WHAT THE MEDIA CHOOSES TO SHOW US.ok im done, just ignore what i had to say, later.

>i dont understand, inst the US, one big comercially ownned >country? this is the part of me that is ignorent, and not knowing >of everything, but you say that the “usa is not a buiness, and >not run by people looking to make it grow and be successful”

brokenframe,

I think John means “Unicycling Society of America” by “usa” here, not “United States of America” :slight_smile:

Have fun!

Will mass appeal wreck unicycling?

let it be known that i wore plenty of black clothing thru my teens and waaay beyond and yet, the requisite level of cynicism to answer that question in the affirmative, eludes me

i’m of the opinion that unicycling will not become huge in our society simply because it is impossible to do it badly

u can’t fake it
u can do poi badly, u cant do juggling badly
sure, u get performers who rise way above the average
u can be on overpriced, branded BMX’s or in-line skates and just kinda hang around the mall
u can’t do that on a uni
if u can’t ride (i’m talking level one here), u look like an idiot hanging out on one
if it can’t be ripped right down to lowest common denomenator level, it wont get big

Re: RE: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a

PRESS RELEASE: BALANCE BAR BUYS RIGHTS TO ALL UNICYCLING…

It was announced today that the Balance Bar Corporation, makers of Balance Bar
sports/nutrition bars have completed a friendly takeover of the entire
unicyling community.

With help from insiders, David Maxfield, John Childs, and Greg Harper, Balance
Bar was able to purchase rights to the gravitational principles involved in
balancing on one wheel.

Harper commented on the purchase, “The planetary hub I built gathers
gravitational momentum with travel. As it traveled the US, it sucked up
gravitational energy, which we can now patent and sell back to riders.” When
asked for his perspective, Child’s muttered, “Love those lemon meringue
flavored ones.” Maxfield was unavailable as he had eaten his profits, and was
experiencing some mild discomfort.

David Maxfield
Please, don’t tip the waiters. It upsets them.

Re: RE: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a

brokenframe,
I sure hope your joking. I think Foss was talking abbreviating the
Unicycling Society of America as “USA”. I don’t believe he was talking
about the country. Try reading more carefully next time.

Jeff T.

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:18:47 -0500 brokenframe
<brokenframe.6l44c@timelimit.unicyclist.com> writes:
>
> I don’t intend to do anything other. I don’t think anyone does. But
> remember
> how these things get big. I think a big part of it is that it
> becomes
> a
> business. Looking at unicycling from the organization point of
> view,
> in
> other words the Unicycling Society of America in this country, I
> can
> see
> growing only fairly slowly in the past 30 years. That’s in part
> because
> the
> USA is not a business, and is not run by people looking to make it
> grow
> and
> be successful.-John Foss
>
>
> i dont understand, inst the US, one big comercially ownned country?
> this
> is the part of me that is ignorent, and not knowing of everything,
> but
> you say that the “usa is not a buiness, and not run by people
> looking to
> make it grow and be successful” well what about George Bush Jr.
> like
> the US, is the most powerful country in teh world… they use that
> power
> to push other countries around, like Canada, and otehr countries.
> To me
> as a Canadian, all i see in George Bush and his goverment (forget
> what
> is use for his… party or wahtever in power.) but all i see is him
> trying to make the us bigger, and what he thinks better. He wont
> sign
> treats about global warming because he only cares about the United
> states econemy, money growth, and not the enviroment, were in teh
> long
> run, if americans keep on using so much resources, and polute so
> much,
> this world will become withered and left of clean water, natural
> resources, all that we need, in a few hundred years. He alwile ago
> i
> believe just admited that there was global warming, i believe. Now,
> i
> believ that america is very successful …at a price. Now iver
> totaly
> gone ona rant, mosly because im in bad mood, and this is what i do
> when
> im not happy, but to sum it up, unicycling and america being run by
> people who people who not lookin to make it grow and be successufl,
> look
> at some other countries. then you look at yoru country, now tell me
> that
> america is not successful, well all i have to say. WHAT I SAID
> SHOULD
> NOT BE TAKEN SEROUSLY BECAUSE I AM AN IGNORENT NORTH AMERICAN, AND
> WE DO
> NOT KNOW MUCH FROM WHAT THE MEDIA CHOOSES TO SHOW US.ok im done,
> just
> ignore what i had to say, later.
>
>
> –
> brokenframe
>
> While learning new things on unicyle, i find that i grow very good
> at
> catching the seat.
>

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Re: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a

Maxfield D wrote:
>
> PRESS RELEASE: BALANCE BAR BUYS RIGHTS TO ALL UNICYCLING…
>
> It was announced today that the Balance Bar Corporation, makers of Balance Bar
> sports/nutrition bars have completed a friendly takeover of the entire
> unicyling community.
>
> With help from insiders, David Maxfield, John Childs, and Greg Harper, Balance
> Bar was able to purchase rights to the gravitational principles involved in
> balancing on one wheel.
>
> Harper commented on the purchase, “The planetary hub I built gathers
> gravitational momentum with travel. As it traveled the US, it sucked up
> gravitational energy, which we can now patent and sell back to riders.” When
> asked for his perspective, Child’s muttered, “Love those lemon meringue
> flavored ones.” Maxfield was unavailable as he had eaten his profits, and was
> experiencing some mild discomfort.
>
> David Maxfield
> Please, don’t tip the waiters. It upsets them.

…now that’s what I’m talk’n 'bout!

RE: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a

> Um…I believe JF was referring to the “Unicycling Society
> of America”, USA (is that what it stands for?).

Hey you guys,
Unicyclists in North America, for lack of any other national unicycling
organizations, should be members of the USA. This is how you show support
for the many USA volunteers who work for free, and help the sport to grow in
that way.

Unicyclists from outside North America have always been welcome as well.
Individual membership in the 50 states is only 15 bucks. Stuff in our
newsletter is not just a rehash of what you see here on the newsgroup and
forums!

http://www.unicycling.org/usa/join/

Time to start feeling guilty if you haven’t already joined. Can’t afford
$15? Read the post about food, or otherwise, don’t let me catch you riding
any brand new unicycles… :slight_smile:

Stay on top,
John Foss
President, Unicycling Society of America
President, International Unicycling Federation
jfoss@unicycling.com

At its simplest, unicycling requires very basic equipment. much fun can be had on a 20 inch or 24 inch wheel in a steel frame with lollipop bearings and a basic saddle.

In the unlikely event of unicycling developing mass appeal, there will still be plenty of scope for self-appointed ‘real unicyclists’ to enjoy their sport. Prices might go up, or they might go down. Probably the range of prices will increase.

There is no reason why a basic but serviceable 24 inch unicycle cannot be made for £50 / $80. If it becomes fashionable, then cheap ones will be flood the market.

If unicycling becomes popular, there might be some improved equipment available at lower prices. The prices of the more fashionable equipment might increase. So what? The ‘real unicyclist’ will find what he/she wants.

All we might lose is the feeling of being part of an elite or eccentric tribe. Too bad.

I draw a comparison with motorcyling - once a minority ‘tribal’ activity, and now a Sunday afternoon fashion activity for many. Half the bikers on the road today will be jet skiing, scuba diving or hang gliding in 3 years, if they don’t kill themselves riding like idiots. So what? I still know where to find bikers with my attitude to riding. The same would happen with unicycling. Don’t worry. It’s just a game we play, using minimal and simple equipment.

Re: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a

In article <Mikefule.6mg1b@timelimit.unicyclist.com>,
Mikefule <Mikefule.6mg1b@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:
)
)All we might lose is the feeling of being part of an elite or eccentric
)tribe. Too bad.

People are looking at this too macroscopically. What it comes down to
is this: when someone shows up at your unicycle/juggle club, or asks
to try your uni, do you tell them “go away, I want to be the only one
who knows how to do this”?

Unicycle clubs recruit new members, because having more unicyclists
around is fundamentally more fun. I’m sure the few people who are
anti-social enough to like unicycling only because not many people
do it can go find some other marginalized activity to participate in.
Good riddance.
-Tom
(But the idea of unicycling reaching a mass audience seems dubious in any
case.)

Re: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a

Trevor and others,
Please remember this is a unicycling forum, not political. (may I suggest
alt.politics.liberal.diehard) My inbox has been full of literally
hundreds of posts daily, mostly junk, since unicyclist.com started. I
have no problem with unicyclist.com or Gilby, it is just that the format
seems to lend itself well to off topic conversation, arguing or junk.

Jeff
P.S. I’m not a grumpy old man… really! :smiley:

Re: Re: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a

I call it the AOL effect. Give a forum a pretty interface and make it impossible to read or reply off-line. For some odd reason that combination of features seems to result in chatty messages. It’s no wonder that chatting is the most popular feature on AOL.

john_childs
Grumpy old time Compuserve user from back in the days when online time was more than $20 per hour.

Re: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a

In a message dated 6/21/02 10:00:05 PM, moosebreath1@juno.com writes:

<<
Trevor and others,
Please remember this is a unicycling forum, not political. (may I suggest
alt.politics.liberal.diehard) My inbox has been full of literally
hundreds of posts daily, mostly junk, since unicyclist.com started. I
have no problem with unicyclist.com or Gilby, it is just that the format
seems to lend itself well to off topic conversation, arguing or junk.

Jeff
P.S. I’m not a grumpy old man… really! :smiley: >>

This is true, I agree and apologize. I was reading and enjoying some of the
other offtopic threads that were getting started and kinda took the ok to do
some offtopicing of my own. But I do think it is time to drop all that and
get back to what this is all supposed to be about. Though I have to say that
I think the “Will mass appeal wreck unicycling” was a very productive and
extremely relevant thread, as it pertains to the very heart and future of the
sport. I do not apologize, nor propose to end that thread. If you like you
can pass by those from now on if they do continue. But I do think its time
we all got back and started talking about unicycling!

__
trevor andersen

I think i know what the worst thing to happen to unicycling would be. A SCOOTER TREND!!!:stuck_out_tongue: disgusting. imagine what would happen if unicycling became a fasionable thing for eight year olds and then the rest of the unicycling world would look like idiots who follow toddler trends. ugh. yeah im an idiot

lmao ok. :roll_eyes:

lmao ok. :roll_eyes: yes, well ill reture later, i ahve to to now. but yes from what i can read drom here scototer trednd be bad.s

I think most eight year olds have pretty cool ideas and do pretty cool things. In general, they don’t care much about what other folks think of what they’re doing either. I myself have been eight years old six times now. It’s a good age. They make excellent role models.

Over here in Japan, as I believe was mentioned in another thread; elementary school kids (in Japan) learn to unicycle as part of their P.E. classes. There’s a yearly parade in Osaka celebrating “Internationalism”, and the first year I was here (1991), I saw a group of at least 200 elementary school kids on unicycles in the parade. !!! I didn’t think they looked like idiots, I was impressed ! I wish we’d had unicycle classes when I was in elementary school! The primary school-aged kids who live next door to me have a unicycle and stilts. No, they’re not training for the circus, it’s what kids who aren’t locked into Gameboy and PS2 do after school.

By the way, have ya noticed how every year the Oympians seem to be getting younger and younger? If you follow the mentality in the above quote, about the only thing you’ll be able to do without “looking like an idiot” is drink Geritol (an over-the-counter iron tonic for the elderly which is 17% alcohol) and use Poly-Grip (denture adhesive). disclaimer: this was meant to be mildly facetious, NOT disrespectful to the elderly ; so anybody who starts a thread about dissing old people is hereby anticipated to be a jerk. Some of my best parents are of retirement age, and if they could unicycle, I’m sure they would .

Yeah!

Now, wasn’t that fun to try to read?

I resemble* that remark very much, John.
You try going through adolescence with severe acne, not having a real date until you were out of university, with all the attendant emotional scarring before you go bandying about words like, like, … “choke”… “ugly”, OK?

;)  

… not joking about the acne, though…
… and before anyone else says it… just so you know, … I am bald.

*just a little “Norm Crosby”-style malapropsim there… of course, the word should be “resent”.

Re: RE: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a

Too Rich for my blood. Why is it that Canadians and Mexicans Have to pay more too? Do they get more out of a membership to an american orginasation than the rest of us?? Where is that extra $5 going?? :stuck_out_tongue: (yeah I know it cost a bit more to send them sctuff, but come on) Sorry not to be a fan of national unicycling orginisations but I’m not. Conventions and stuff like that can be fun and they do cost money, understandable. I just dont see any benifits to joining USA at all. And I dont think I’m going to feel guitly any time soon either.