Re: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a good Unicyc...

In a message dated 6/20/02 11:06:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
atman8@hotmail.com writes:

> Someone mentioned that forums like rec.sport.unicycling wouldn’t exist
> with a larger sport but, to use the example of rec.bicycle.tech, I don’t
> think that is necessarily the case. True, rec.bicycle.tech should really be
> named rec.roadbicycle.tech but regardless, it’s still a forum made up of a
> bunch of regulars, a few occasional posters, and many many lurkers (like
> myself)…
>
> Alex

Of course there are other forums, the point in question, is the range of
status parttaking in the same group. For instance, I’m some random kid who
aquired his first unicycle less then a yaer ago, yet, at the same time some
of the largest names in the sport frequently post as well. I dont belive you
could have that with a larger sport.
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Trevor andersen

Re: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a good Unicyc…

— brokenframe <brokenframe.6l44c@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:
> i dont understand, inst the US, one big comercially ownned country? this
> is the part of me that is ignorent, and not knowing of everything, but
> you say that the “usa is not a buiness, and not run by people looking to
> make it grow and be successful” well what about George Bush Jr. like
> the US, is the most powerful country in teh world…

Umm, the President of the “USA” is John Foss, just to make things clear. =)

Seriously, this is a really interesting string.

ChxWitBrix@aol.com wrote:
> If go mainstreem it must, we
> should at least tread very very carfuly while we still have the control. Be
> very very carful about where exactly the publicity is placed and who its
> aimed at.
>

I could not agree more with this. Growth inevitably brings problems as well as benefits. Here
are a couple of thoughts:

  1. Media: This is a difficult one because ultimately it is impossible to control. I’ve done a
    lot of interviews and my general strategy has been, where possible, to place the unicycling in a
    broader context that relates it to issues everyone can understand, like how it’s really good for
    learning focus and determination, or that it’s great cross-training for other sports, or that it
    provides an opportunity to visit cool places I’d never otherwise have gone. This may not come
    across word-for-word in the resulting article, but it establishes a rapport with the journalist,
    and increases how seriously they treat the topic.

  2. Directing the growth of the sport.

This is VERY important, because some sports have been really screwed up by growth. I personally
have some big criticisms about how snowboarding and mountainbiking have grown, for example, where
issues such as sponsorship and $$ have permeated most aspects of sports that were way more
appealing when they were more grassroots. Often you meet people in these sports who’s primary
goal is to “get sponsored”, as opposed to doing the sport simply because they like it.

That said, it is VERY important that we look outside our sport to learn how other sports grow and
try to avoid the mistakes that have been made. I still think that Climbing is a really good model
for this because it has a long history with strong roots in individualism, where adventurous,
sometimes eccentric people just like to do their own thing- kind of like unicycling. You said:

…Rock climbing (being a rock climber personaly) I feel has totaly lost the appeal
> unicycling currently has. And I feel that it is because of its popularity.
> It is true that it does not have the celebrity aspect of other mainstream
> sports, which helps a little for the “your just another climber” appeal, but
> it doesnt have the community and the uniqueness appeal anymore.

What has happened in climbing is that as it’s grown, its diversity has increased. People get into
it for different reasons, from urbanites who use a climbing gym like they would a weights gym, to
people whose motivation is for pure adventure in remote wilderness. There is still a strong
community- it’s just more diversified. Amongst this diversity, the people with the strongest
connection to the grassroots part of the sport (and in my opinion the people who have retain the
most important aspects of it) are:

a) people who know and respect the history of the sport.
b) people with a strong connection to adventure and the environment. This is often lost by
people, for example, who climb exclusively in a gym or at sport crags.
c) people who pursue the sport primarily for personal reasons, not competition.

In the last point ©, often these are people who climb at a very high level but do not compete.
One of the best things about climbing, and one of the most important models of this sport to
unicycling, in my opinion, is that both competetive and non-competetive aspects of the sport are
equally respected, even at the most elite skill levels. This is not anti-competetive- it’s just a
refreshing change from most sports that hold competition as the exclusive pinnacle to strive
towards.

In unicycling, I think we will grow in a healthy way and continue to be “grassroots” if the above
points stay strong parts of the sport.

-Kris Holm.

>
> In a message dated 6/20/02 11:55:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> danger_uni@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> > OK but I don’t personally think that will be a problem. Two examples within
> > other sports:
> > 1)Telemark skiing- a harder free-heeled version of skiing that somewhat
> > similar relations to
> > Alpine skiing as unicycling compares to bikiing. This sport has roots in
> > the historic origins of
> > skiing, but as recently as 10 years ago the equipment was incredibly
> > primitive compared to Alpine
> > skiing due to lack of popularity. A large increase in popularity over the
> > past 10 years has led
> > to better equipment but the sport still has not lost its grassroots appeal.
> > I telemark ski, and
> > when I run into other (still relatively rare) telemarkers a a ski resort,
> > there’s always a
> > camraderie there that was lost to Alpine skiing back in the 70’s.
> >
> > 2) Rock climbing. Rock climbing used to be “alternative”. Now it’s
> > relatively mainstream and
> > definately considered “fashionable”. But with the arguable exception of
> > some sport-climbing
> > circles, there is still a grassroots appeal to this sport that has never
> > been lost- no matter how
> > good you get your just another person hanging out at the cliff with your
> > friends.
> >
>
>
> __
> Trevor andersen
>
> __
> Trevor andersen
>


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Re: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a good Unicyc…

In a message dated 6/21/02 12:43:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
danger_uni@yahoo.com writes:

> I personally
> have some big criticisms about how snowboarding and mountainbiking have
> grown, for example, where
> issues such as sponsorship and $$ have permeated most aspects of sports
> that were way more
> appealing when they were more grassroots.

If you feel this way to…THEN WHAT HAS THE ARGUMENT BEEN ABOUT?
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Trevor andersen

Re: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a good Unicyc…

ChxWitBrix@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 6/21/02 12:43:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> danger_uni@yahoo.com writes:
> I personally
> > have some big criticisms about how snowboarding and mountainbiking have
> > grown, for example, where
> > issues such as sponsorship and $$ have permeated most aspects of sports
> > that were way more
> > appealing when they were more grassroots.
>
> If you feel this way to…THEN WHAT HAS THE ARGUMENT BEEN ABOUT?
> __
> Trevor andersen

The “argument” (not really!) has been about how to avoid the pitfalls that we could potentially
fall into as our sport grows. As long as we keep talking about this over the next few years, then
I think that will be constructive.

-Kris.


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To back up what Kris said a little I would like to add that I am an Ultimate Disk player and that sport has many parallels to Unicycling (other than I like both of them.) They are both growing sports with an apeal to people who like to be diferent. Ultimate is different in that it isn’t an activity that can be done without compitition like unicycling, snowboarding, rock climbing, mountian biking (if you aren’t compeating you aren’t playing Ultimate you are playing catch with a disk) but even if there is competition there is still a down to earth kind of feel to it. I went to see some of the World Chanpionship games peing played in Blane MInnesota (home of the world’s largest soccer complex by the way 52 fields at last count) and I could walk up and talk to some of the best players in the world as they were on the sidelines watching their team play. There was no admision cost to see these games you didn’t even have to pay for parking. Not many other world championships in anything can you get in for free and talk to the partisipants while the competition is going on. And on the other end of the spectrum my friends and I play the game on every sunday and hardly keep track of the score. One thing that I really like about the game is that even on the highest level of play there are no officials. One of the rules of the game is that every one has to respect the spirit of the game and if they break the rules they call it on themselves and the play reverts back to the closest thing possible to if the infraction hadn’t been committed. I guess that the conversation brought to mind the game that I know about that has a fairly advanced level of play that hasn’t been corrupted by the consumerism of most of the widely played sports. If you are interested in Ultimate by the way i encourage you to check out www.upa.org.

Steve

p.s. interesting fact TCUC=twin cities unicyce club and TCUL=twin cities ultimate league.

Re: Will mass appeal wreck unicycling? (was:Anyone Tried to get a good Unicyc…

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:23:49 -0700, John Foss <john_foss@asinet.com>
wrote:

>> The sport has grown. Nobody (well, maybe some people…i
>> am) is riding the trails on cheap steal rims and street tires.
>
>Sure they are. More than most of us think, I imagine. They’re just not
>telling us about it.

<Psssst…> I’m one of those. But I plan to buy a decent MUni.
</Psssst…>

Klaas Bil