Q-factor

I have a Semcycle 24" with cotterless cranks. The axle’s ends ahave a
square cross section and I presume they are also slightly tapered. The
cranks have square holes and again I presume they have a (matching)
taper to them. I notice there is about 1 cm (3/8") of space between
the bearing holder (attached to the frame) and the crank, on either
side. If this space were less, the Q factor would also be less. Now
the questions:

  1. Is a low Q factor in itself preferable, for reasons of less wobble?
  2. Is the 1 cm spacing a necessity in the design to accommodate for
    tolerances in the square’s sizes, and/or to have some space for the
    crank to be moved further up the taper in case the holes wear out?
  3. Bottom line question: why is there as much space as 1 cm?

Klaas Bil

RE: Q-factor

> I have a Semcycle 24" with cotterless cranks.

XL or deluxe? Semcycle needs a better naming structure for their cycles,
because this is always the first question I have to ask when someone writes
about a Semcycle. In this case I’m guessing it’s the XL because those are
wide and the deluxes are very narrow.

> 1. Is a low Q factor in itself preferable, for reasons of less wobble?

I don’t know if this has been proven in any definitive way, but common sense
implies to me that it is. Also my own experience. Some people naturally
wobble more than others, but having the pedals farther apart can’t help
this.

> 2. Is the 1 cm spacing a necessity in the design to accommodate for
> tolerances in the square’s sizes, and/or to have some space for the
> crank to be moved further up the taper in case the holes wear out?

Alloy cranks, especially, will go farther onto the taper each time they are
used. In the long term, they will reach a point on a Miyata axle, for
instance, where they can no longer be used and stay tight. I believe the XL
just has wider tolerances. If these unicycles are spec’ed together from
existing high production volume parts, it may just be the best combination
of available parts for the price range. But yes, the XLs are wider than
most.

This is most noticeable on the 16" or smaller models, where the Q-factor
starts looking a little ridiculous. I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt for these
cycles to be a little narrower in that area.

> 3. Bottom line question: why is there as much space as 1 cm?

Oops, think I answered that above, with a guess. I don’t think the whole 1
cm is intentional, though I would rather have too much space than not
enough. My old track unicycle and my carbon MUni both have almost too-tight
tolerances in that area.

The spokes on my track uni used to just barely clear the ends of the (Miyata
style) bearing holder bolts. I had to keep track of the top vs. the bottom
ones, because the bottom ones had been cut down shorter to fit. It was made
narrow on purpose, for speed. And though the unicycle proved to be fast, it
wasn’t always faster than a better-trained rider on a piece of junk.

My carbon MUni has very tight tolerances outside the bearing holders. The
150mm Miyata crank arms I’ve used on there have always had to be filed down
first, to keep them from rubbing. On a MUni, I would rather have a little
extra space than not enough.

Stay on top,
John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com <http://www.unicycling.com>

“This unicycle is made all from lightweight materials. But it uses a lot of
them.” – Cliff Cordy, describing the very heavy new prototype unicycle he
brought on the Downieville Downhill

Re: Q-factor

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:59:30 -0700, John Foss <john_foss@asinet.com>
wrote:

>XL or deluxe? Semcycle needs a better naming structure for their cycles,
>because this is always the first question I have to ask when someone writes
>about a Semcycle. In this case I’m guessing it’s the XL because those are
>wide and the deluxes are very narrow.
AFAIK, one model is called “Semcycle XL” and the other is called
“Semcycle” per se, at least over here. That’s even more confusing than
having a “deluxe” addition. Indeed, you guessed wrong, my uni is not
an XL but the model with a non-flat crown of plate-like material, and
a frame that is essentially two halves (one left, one right). It is
NOT very narrow, IMHO.

I just checked my daughter’s Semcycle XL (20"), and the space between
crank and bearing plate is less, I would estimate 5 - 6 mm. Both of
these unis have steel cranks. I have recently retrofitted 6" cranks
(replacing the original 5") and the square holes in those replacement
cranks may have been made somewhat smaller to create some tolerance??

I’ll ask the Sem people whom I see at times.

>On a MUni, I would rather have a little
>extra space than not enough.
On any unicycle, right?

Klaas Bil

Re: Q-factor

On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:38:14 GMT,
klaasbil_remove_the_spamkiller_@xs4all.nl (Klaas Bil) wrote:

>I’ll ask the Sem people whom I see at times.
I asked Carlos “Apo” Abrahams about the spare space on the axle tapers
and he told the following. Originally, Semcycle wheels were radially
spoked, and for stability they needed a relatively wide hub and axle.
Later on, they changed the spoke pattern to 1-cross, which is more
stable at a narrower hub. But the axle manufacturer could not modify
the length of the supplied axles or Semcycle would have to pay his
investment (some $5000). So that’s why now there is additional space
between the frame and the crank. (I think the new XL is modified with
thicker bushings [is that the word?] between hub and frame, so that
the extra space is now inside the frame, and not so obvious…)

Klaas Bil

Re: Re: Q-factor

The Semcycle Deluxe and Semcycle XL use different hubs. The Semcycle XL hub is narrower (and not as strong).

Perhaps it is a good thing that the Semcycle Deluxe hub has extra Q-factor built in because that makes it easier to use the hub in a muni frame.

john_childs