Pulled over by police

This morning, while unicycling along my regular commute, I was pulled over by a cop for riding on the sidewalk. I avoided the summons, but only because I have a loud voice and I’m not afraid to use it.

I was riding on the sidewalk that abuts a highway-like stretch of road. It’s far too dangerous to ride on the street there – it’s filled with three lanes of fast, crowded traffic. If I were a bicyclist, I’d be entitled to a lane of traffic, but I have never seen a biker on that street, either, because it would be suicide to ride there. This sidewalk, on the other hand, is almost never trafficked because it’s in a non-residential part of Brooklyn. In two years, I think I’ve seen two people walking this sidewalk, total.

This short stretch of sidewalk is downhill and I was riding fast, so when the cop asked me to pull over, I yelled that I would as soon as I could. About 50 feet later, I hopped off and turned to find out what he wanted, tho I already suspected he was going to give me a hard time about riding on the sidewalk. This was odd because there are already two cops regularly stationed in the same spot (on account of the “terrorism threat”) whom I wave to every morning; they never give me a hard time – just a smile and a nod. So this was some cop who has never been there before, and he was presumably acting on his own. He asked me to produce some ID, and I asked why. He explained that I wasn’t supposed to be riding on the sidewalk, and I retorted that there is no law that specifies anything about unicycling – and I mentioned how unicyclists have, in the recent past, gotten out of summonses before by showing the judge the appropriate passage from the law. I asked him (loudly) if he has had a lot of experience with unicycles – like did he know that it’s impossible to stop right away, or that unicycles are not covered (in NYC) by laws that only mentioned vehicles with two or more wheels.

Joe, I need the exact passage so I can keep it with me for next time.

Anyway, he wasn’t satisfied, so he asked again for my ID, and I handed it to him. At this point, he told me he was going to write me a summons. I loudly mentioned (to him and all the cops around him) that it would look real silly on the news when I explained to reporters that I was being given a summons for unicycling on the sidewalk and that this cop would rather I take up a whole lane of morning traffic (blah blah blah). I also mentioned how silly it would look on his record that he had pulled over someone for riding a unicycle on the sidewalk.

He stepped away, and I took the opportunity to seek out that officer whom I see on a regular basis. I explained the situation to him, and he seemed pained to side with either of us (he didn’t know the exact law, but he clearly felt that I was posing no danger).

Then the summons officer showed up again. He said that he was NOT going to write up a summons after all (a change of heart? No, I think someone told him not to bother). Not satisfied, I asked him if he will be there tomorrow and the next day, and he said yes. I said, “And I’m not going to get a summons tomorrow, am I?” and he said no.

But Joe, I still need that law – just to be safe.

The meek might be inheriting the earth, but the loud avoid summonses (when they’re within the law, anyway!).

David Stone

PS: Fun fact: Someone was being arrested while all of this was going on. I think it was for driving a truck without a proper license. I think the Terror Alert Level has abeen upgraded to “Mauve” or something.

Twice in one day - now that’s bad luck :smiley:

I wouldn’t go boasting that there aren’t any laws about unicycles in the NY Bi-Laws, that’s the kind of attitude that will get laws put in place! But it’s silly that the officer pulled you over just for that… he probably didn’t have anything else to do or was just bored… And what is this about the terror-alert being mauve?? Is that a joke, or do you really have different colours for levels of terror-threat i.e. the equavalent of fire-threats during the dry-season or float-threats during the wet-season???

We really do. As far as we can tell, it’s the only thing the “Office of Homeland Security” has come up with.

It’s a five-point scale, with strangely-chosen colors. (Green, blue, yellow, orange, red). It might as well be a three-point scale, because it will never go below “yellow” as long as the Office of Homeland Security exists.

Good work, i understood that American police shot on sight anybody who tried to argue with them or have an intelligent thought.

Re: Pulled over by police

i (very very rarely) get stopped for riding my bike along the bike path
after hours as i commute to/from, work.

When asked if i know the trail is closed i reply that yes, i know, but
i’m saving him the trouble of out a hit and run traffic fatality
investigation.

Works like a charm, esp. in winter.

…max

As others have answered, there are indeed color-coded threat levels, and I think that regardless of whether the color-coding can go city-by-city or is only a national thing, this city is def’ly experiencing a LOT more police presence these days.

As for the kinds of things that get laws put in place: I thought about that, but cops rarely get laws put in place. Had I ridden into a pedestrian and killed her, you can bet the law would change virtually over night. That’s why I’m so careful to be nice around pedestrians (except when I have to attack pepper-spray-wielding nutcases or something). As I mentioned, this stretch of sidewalk is a ‘sidewalk’ in name only – no one walks there these days except the police who are standing by the road, watching for suspicious cars that are about to enter the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel.

Twice in one day: Sorry, I double posted by accident. I didn’t think the first one went thru.

Max’s comments: Yes, I’ve had cops ask me not to ride on a sidewalk before, and because they have been so nice, I’ve complied without instructing them about the law. But this young guy was a little on the Napoleanic side, and I guess he wanted to chalk up another summons to his belt. It was purely frivolous.

I’m currently working with my state representative and state senator to get the laws in Tennessee revisited to address some of these issues. The rub is that “unicycles” in laws means nothing because there is a huge difference between a 20" and a Coker.

I don’t want to be made to ride my 20" in the street and I don’t want a Coker flying by while my kids are walking down the sidewalk. As David noted indirectly, it is about speed.

The laws need to reflect that there is a difference.

As I understand it, the National Transportation Safety Board says that sidewalks are designed for about 4.5 mph.

Tommy

Hey Dave, glad it all worked out. You’re lucky he didn’t get you for speeding on your Guni. :stuck_out_tongue:

Re: Pulled over by police

ur wrote:
> But it’s silly that the officer pulled you over just for that… he
> probably didn’t have anything else to do or was just bored… And what
> is this about the terror-alert being mauve??

If the police are worried about terrorist attacks, it might be
reasonable for a policeman who’s not used to seeing unicyclists riding
around on their daily business to consider that the unicyclist
(something unusual) may be there to divert attention away from something
more sinister.

I don’t now what the current level of paranoia in NY is like, or whether
it’s justified, but if there is considered to be a high risk of further
terrorist activity then the policeman may have been right to stop David
(although not to threaten him with a summons). OTOH, if he was
genuinely concerned that the unicyclist was supposed to be a diversion
then he probably should have ignored David completely and taken a good
look at what else was going on around him.


Danny Colyer (my reply address is valid but checked infrequently)
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“He who dares not offend cannot be honest.” - Thomas Paine

Re: Re: Pulled over by police

You are absolutely right. A cop is within his rights (and reason) to suspect that something is a bit odd abot a unicyclist flying down the sidewalk towards (or near) him, and I had no problem stopping for him (other than physics – it took awhile to decelerate!). He should have assessed a few things and then made the determination (as he ultimately did) to let me go, but one thing he could have considered is whether I was an actual diversion or simply an unusual sight.

As for what Tommy said, I really hope no one goes the extra step here in order to specify about sidewalk safety, but I think it’s inevitable. At some point, it really WILL be illegal for me to ride on a NYC sidewalk. I’ll enjoy my time till then (and I’ll keep policing myself!).

David

Re: Pulled over by police

David Stone wrote:
> This morning, while unicycling along my regular commute, I was pulled over
> by a cop for riding on the sidewalk. I avoided the summons, but only
> because I have a loud voice and I’m not afraid to use it.
>
> I was riding on the sidewalk that abuts a highway-like stretch of road.
> It’s far too dangerous to ride on the street there – it’s filled with
> three lanes of fast, crowded traffic. If I were a bicyclist, I’d be
> entitled to a lane of traffic, but I have never seen a biker on that
> street, either, because it would be suicide to ride there. This sidewalk,
> on the other hand, is almost never trafficked because it’s in a
> non-residential part of Brooklyn. In two years, I think I’ve seen two
> people walking this sidewalk, total.
>
> This short stretch of sidewalk is downhill and I was riding fast, so when
> the cop asked me to pull over, I yelled that I would as soon as I could.
> About 50 feet later, I hopped off and turned to find out what he wanted,
> tho I already suspected he was going to give me a hard time about riding
> on the sidewalk. This was odd because there are already two cops regularly
> stationed in the same spot (on account of the “terrorism threat”) whom I
> wave to every morning; they never give me a hard time – just a smile and
> a nod. So this was some cop who has never been there before, and he was
> presumably acting on his own. He asked me to produce some ID, and I asked
> why. He explained that I wasn’t supposed to be riding on the sidewalk, and
> I retorted that there is no law that specifies anything about unicycling
> – and I mentioned how unicyclists have, in the recent past, gotten out of
> summonses before by showing the judge the appropriate passage from the
> law. I asked him (loudly) if he has had a lot of experience with unicycles
> – like did he know that it’s impossible to stop right away, or that
> unicycles are not covered (in NYC) by laws that only mentioned vehicles
> with two or more wheels.
>
> Joe, I need the exact passage so I can keep it with me for next time.
>
> Anyway, he wasn’t satisfied, so he asked again for my ID, and I handed it
> to him. At this point, he told me he was going to write me a summons. I
> loudly mentioned (to him and all the cops around him) that it would look
> real silly on the news when I explained to reporters that I was being
> given a summons for unicycling on the sidewalk and that this cop would
> rather I take up a whole lane of morning traffic (blah blah blah). I also
> mentioned how silly it would look on his record that he had pulled over
> someone for riding a unicycle on the sidewalk.
>
> He stepped away, and I took the opportunity to seek out that officer whom
> I see on a regular basis. I explained the situation to him, and he seemed
> pained to side with either of us (he didn’t know the exact law, but he
> clearly felt that I was posing no danger).
>
> Then the summons officer showed up again. He said that he was NOT going to
> write up a summons after all (a change of heart? No, I think someone told
> him not to bother). Not satisfied, I asked him if he will be there
> tomorrow and the next day, and he said yes. I said, “And I’m not going to
> get a summons tomorrow, am I?” and he said no.
>
> But Joe, I still need that law – just to be safe.
>
> The meek might be inheriting the earth, but the loud avoid summonses (when
> they’re within the law, anyway!).
>
> David Stone
>
> PS: Fun fact: Someone was being arrested while all of this was going on. I
> think it was for driving a truck without a proper license. I think the
> Terror Alert Level has abeen upgraded to “Mauve” or something.
>
>

I find your comment that you could not stop for 50feet very interesting.
Accepting that this sidewalk is not used a great deal by pedestrians,
you are probably safe to ride there. However, if the sidewalk was busy,
then it’s difficult to predict what’s going to happen. You may need
to stop in a hurry to avoid crashing into a small child, old granny,
whatever. In those circumstances, do you still feel it would be
acceptable to ride such that you couldn’t stop quickly? Surely common
sense overrules laws in such circumstances?

Learner

Learner, as I hope you’ve surmised, I would NOT be riding 15 mph on a busy sidewalk. In fact, I don’t even ride 10 mph on a busy sidewalk. In fact, I don’t even ride in high gear on most sidewalks. The area I was riding in is industrial. I know my routes very well and ride cautiously each time I vary a route or learn a new one (as circumstances dictate). I would never jeopardize myself or, even worse, a pedestrian. I would rather crash into a wall than run into someone who is walking on a sidewalk.

The same isn’t true for bike paths, tho. We’ve had this discussion on this forum before: There are some people who flaunt the rules and common sense. They’re the ones who walk dogs on long leads on a bike path next to a perfectly good sidewalk that they should be on. I slow down when I see these people, but we had a consensus here once that if necessary, we’d use the dog-walker to break our fall in order to avoid hurting ourselves or the innocent dog. This has never come up for me or anyone else, but it’s all part of the notion that you should try to prepare for any eventuality.

I hope this answers your questions. Basically, we should always ride with others’ safety foremost and our own safety a close second. What works for one area doesn’t work for another, and what works for one rider doesn’t work for another. You have to know yourself and you have to know your conditions and surroundings.

David

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One can go around people without having to stop.

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Depends on the sidewalk. In New York you may be able to, but around here sidewalks can only hold maybe 3 people wide. It’s hard to dodge moving targets, too.

actually in my local area someone died riding a bike on the sidewalk and crossing an intersection or street. the car didn’t expect the bike so the driver did look for it and ended up hitting him, so that’s the thing to watch for.

In Boulder, the law is that you can’t ride on the outdoor mall with any wheeled means of transportation.

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time for the unipillar to be born!

…max

Our Department Of Homeland Security uses five “Threat Level” designations to help us determine how paranoid we are expected to be as we go about our lives over here. The masses are fairly well able to keep straight what “low” (the world is populated only by fuzzy bunnies gamboling merrily in fields of daisies) and “severe” (planeloads of Osama’s minions are parachuting into Washington with 50-gallon drums of weaponized anthrax strapped to their backs) mean. But no one can remember whether “high” is worse than “guarded,” or “elevated,” or whatever, so they have this color coding system to aid them in communicating the Threat Level to those few members of the public who, unlike myself, are still paying attention.

Never mind that they could have just used simple numbers for this, from Threat Level One through Threat Level Five, the comprehension of which would require no knowledge beyond the ability to count to five, and which would also make intuitive sense to blind people. What pains me is that the dim bulbs who implemented this thing didn’t have even the necessary grains of sense in their thick heads to put the color spectrum into the proper sequence. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet. Roy G. Biv. The visible spectrum. There are some bits of scientific knowledge more basic than that, but not many. I paid attention for a few minutes in science class way back in grade-school, naively trusting that this information would be useful to me at some point in the future. Dammit. I could have spent those precious moments of my youth more productively by covertly shooting spitballs into the back of Lisa Paige’s frizzy hair, and at least have gotten a bit of a giggle out of it. Now when the time comes for our leadership to communicate information that is supposed to help us “reduce the likelihood or impact of an attack” on our country, they use a color spectrum as a visual aid, but they CHANGE THE NATURAL ORDER of the colors, so that the very mnemonic device that they are using becomes contradictory to the message that they are using it to express. I understand what is probably their thinking. Only a small minority of people on the street will be able to tell you the order of the color spectrum, but the traffic signal is our omnipresent god, and so the opposite of red is always green, no matter what else may be between the two. Our world here is shaped to cater to the needs of the ignorant, and those who clutter their minds with obscure bits of arcane trivia like what the colors of the rainbow are will only end up confused.

But of course the Threat Level will indeed never drop below yellow in my lifetime anyway, and so the bottom two colors will never be relevant. So I guess I won’t have practical cause to rant about it. I’d just rather my intelligence weren’t insulted on such a regular basis.

Oh, and if Ms. Paige is somehow reading this, I’m only kidding about the spitballs.

I suppose I should make some token gesture toward the original topic, so…

One shouldn’t go around people without being ABLE to stop, certainly in much less than fifty feet. People do not make good slalom-course pylons. They frequently move in unexpected, illogical and often just plain stupid directions without warning, even when the sidewalk seems completely empty, and they come bounding out of a shop doorway right in front of you.

Re: Pulled over by police

Sounds like it should be on the back of a T-shirt.

Didn’t you listen when Daddy was making speeches?