Proposed nomenclature change

I was practicing idling - practicing UPDing, ha - but I had a long idle (for
me, anyway - almost 10 seconds!) while a neighborhood couple were passing
by, walking their dogs.

The husband exclaimed, “Rock and Roll!”

Much more suitable, I think - calling it ‘idling’ when my heart’s thumping
away and my legs are on fire seems so very wrong. :wink:


I unicycled to the State Fair just a few blocks from work. All the suits and
skirts mosey down out of the office buildings for lunch to get some of that
wholesome fair fare. As I passed a couple of skirts, one says to the other,
‘Dork.’ The other cut sultry eyes in my direction and said, ‘Ya? I gotta get
me some Dork, then.’
–Christopher Rhysling

Proposed nomenclature change

How about just “Rockin’!

… or, “Rockin’ and a-Rollin’!” ?

Maybe we need a Poll…

I agree

Rock ‘n’ Roll sound much better than idling becase idling doesnt express the nature of the trick and has nothing to do with the move where unispin is a spin of the uni, a pedal grab is a grab onto a ledge(or whatever you want to do it on) with a pedal, and a rock’n’roll is where you rock and roll and so forth. So I for one am in favor of the name.:smiley:

-Eric

Some people already use “rocking”, don’t they?

Phil, just me

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phil <phil.dv4rb@timelimit.unicyclist.com> wrote:
> Some people already use “rocking”, don’t they?

In the UK certainly.

Paul

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Greetings

In message “Re: Proposed nomenclature change”,
gluteous maximus wrote…
>
>How about just “Rockin’!
>
>… or, “Rockin’ and a-Rollin’!” ?
>
>Maybe we need a Poll…

You don’t “legsitlate” language. “Rocking” has a long and “respectable” history in the
US and probably preceds “idling” – it is a pefectly good synonym. Synonyms are not
harmful if kept within reason-- what we need is standardization for officialcommunications,
like rule books.

Speaking of synonyms, I assuie most people know of the 20 or so English synonyms for “unicycle”
I collected. They are somewhere on unicycling.org.

Stay on top, Jack Halpern
Executive Director for International Development
International Unicycling Federation, Inc.
Website: http://www.kanji.org

Uh, pardon me, but just what is the difference between those two?

Isn’t “legislation” a synonym for “making a rulebook”?

I only suggested a poll, not some kind of law.

Who cares what you call it? Doing it is more important.

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Greetings

In message “Re: Proposed nomenclature change”,
gluteous maximus wrote…
>
>> -originally posted by Jack Halpern:-
>> *You don’t “legsitlate” language. >>snip<< what we need is
>> standardization for officialcommunications,

Not at all! What this means is that you can’t force pepple yop use a certain term
by an official decision, bit you canm a adopt a policy to use ceratin terms for
official purposes, as in writing the IUF rule book. I nthink you confused rule book
with dictionary…?

>
>Uh, pardon me, but just what is the difference between those two?
>
>Isn’t “legislation” a synonym for “making a rulebook”?
>
>I only suggested a poll, not some kind of law.
>
>Who cares -what- you call it? Doing it is more important.
>
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u idled a grendel!?!
I heard nobody could do that

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> u idled a grendel!?!

Yep, briefly, several times.

> I heard nobody could do that

Doch. :wink:

i ran into a gentleman of french extraction recently who reffered to the ‘kick-up mount’ as the ‘rock-n-roll mount’
i’ve never heard that before and was actually going to post a question to find out if that has any history
this guy is no slouch, i saw him pass seven torches with his partner while they were both ‘idling’ 5ft giraffes

Proposed nomenclature change

OK… and I think you confused piano keyboard with computer keyboard.

I don’t recall anyone suggesting that this term or that term be forced upon anyone.
You are the one who started talking about legislating language.

It’s hard to accept you as an authority on language based on your two posts on this thread.
In terms of legibility, this last one ranks with those of a certain teenager from Vancouver.

Glut,

I am pretty sure Jack just means that when handling competitions, as with any kind of official business, there needs to be standard terms so that everyone knows what everyone else is talking about.
I don’t know what you are bent out of shape about and that insult of all insults was uncalled for.

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Two can play at this game …

I dont recall Jack suggesting that anybody was actually seriously suggesting the official name should be changed.

At worst, his fondness for language combined with a fairly harmless remark, left him a little bit open for shots. :slight_smile:

Or in the words of Gilligan “I know you know I know what you’re thinking.” That’s from the episode where Gilligan and Ginger realize that something they’ve eaten has given them telepathy.

Just kidding around. :slight_smile:

Lewis

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Greetings

In message “Re: Proposed nomenclature change”,
gluteous maximus wrote…
>
>> -originally posted by Jack Halpern:-
>> *Not at all! What this means is that you can’t force pepple yop use a
>> certain term
>> by an official decision, bit you canm a adopt a policy to use ceratin
>> terms for
>> official purposes, as in writing the IUF rule book. I nthink you
>> confused rule book
>> with dictionary…?
>> *
>
>
>OK… and I think you confused piano keyboard with computer keyboard.
>
>
>I don’t recall anyone suggesting that this term or that term be forced
>upon anyone.
>You are the one who started talking about legislating language.
>
>It’s hard to accept you as an authority on language based on your two
>posts on this thread.
>In terms of legibility, this last one ranks with those of a certain
>teenager from Vancouver.

That comes from being busy and flooded with maybe 150 messages a day… Actually,
I do know something or other about language, as I am a professional lexicographer,
am studying my 13th language now, and have written some 20 books (see cjk.org
and kanji.org) and compiled many dictionaries… I think you misunderstood the bit
about legislating but I don’t have the time to discuss it.

Regards, Jack Halpern
President, The CJK Dictionary Institute, Inc.
http://www.cjk.org Phone: +81-48-473-3508

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S_Wallis wrote…
>
>Glut,
>
>I am pretty sure Jack just means that when handling competitions, as
>with any kind of official business, there needs to be standard terms so
>that everyone knows what everyone else is talking about.

Yes, something like that. Very well put.

>I don’t know what you are bent out of shape about and that insult of all
>insults was uncalled for.

I am not sure what this refers to. If you mean:

>It’s hard to accept you as an authority on language based on your two
>posts on this thread.
>In terms of legibility, this last one ranks with those of a certain
>teenager from Vancouver.

It doesn’t bother me at all. I am famous/infamous for typos because I use a Japanese
mailer without a spellchecker, am lazy, and busy :-]

Byt I nkow hw to spel Englisch corectly hwen I reely wanttoo :slight_smile:

If anyone is curious, have a look at “Jack’s Language Chart” – you may find typos there too :slight_smile:

Regards, Jack Halpern
President, The CJK Dictionary Institute, Inc.
http://www.cjk.org Phone: +81-48-473-3508

:wink: :wink: :wink:

It wasn’t intended as the “insult of insults”. I forgot the damned emoticon. :wink:

I was only returning the dig Jack gave me over “dictionary” vs. “rulebook”, and I didn’t think he’d take offense, and it seems he didn’t.
I have read Jack’s credentials before, and I have also seen his work on his website. I’m not and was not bent out of shape. Sheesh!

I’m also glad to see that you’re not an indignant Typing Police scofflaw, Jack, just an impenitent one!

As far as legislating goes, I leave it to the lawyers. ((DUCK!))

Okay then, place these where appropriate in my previous post :stuck_out_tongue: :wink: :slight_smile: and we can get back to unicycling. :sunglasses:

Back to the subject, if anyone still cares, I have always called it rocking. This probably came from the other riders in the Redford Township Unicycle Club at that time.

I accept rocking and idling as the most accurate terms, and I like the sound of hovering, though I think it should be used for “twisting” which is where you don’t pedal back and forth.

Rock 'n roll does not have a visual connotation like rocking. Rocking is already a word in the English language, and rocking on a unicycle has a lot in common, visually, with using a rocking chair. So I prefer rocking.

The IUF Rulebook calls it idling which, in effect, makes that the most official term. As for me, I find any of the above three to be perfectly acceptable. Having three names already, I don’t see a need to confuse the issue by adding more, less descriptive ones.

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Greetings

In message “Re: Proposed nomenclature change”,
johnfoss wrote…

I agree wholeheartedly.

>Back to the subject, if anyone still cares, I have always called it
>rocking. This probably came from the other riders in the Redford
>Township Unicycle Club at that time.
>
>I accept rocking and idling as the most accurate terms, and I like the
>sound of hovering, though I think it should be used for “twisting” which
>is where you don’t pedal back and forth.
>
>Rock 'n roll does not have a visual connotation like rocking. Rocking is
>already a word in the English language, and rocking on a unicycle has a
>lot in common, visually, with using a rocking chair. So I prefer
>rocking.
>
>The IUF Rulebook calls it idling which, in effect, makes that the most
>official term. As for me, I find any of the above three to be perfectly
>acceptable. Having three names already, I don’t see a need to confuse
>the issue by adding more, less descriptive ones.
>
>
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