Please tell me if this camera is good enough...

I thought I’d just ask you guys about the camera I want to buy, before I go and get it. I know I’m not the best educated about this sort of thing, and that some of you are, so I just wanted somebody to tell meif it is good enough :smiley:

Here it is.

I can see it has been reduced from £299.99, but I still don’t know if this means it’s good. It has to be good enough for me to do my A level photography course and take good videos. Comparing to other digital cameras (within a simialr price range), it looks like 30frames per second filming is good… but you tell me :wink:

If you really wanted to you could find something you think is better, for no more than £130, because I gotta get a memory card too :astonished:

Thanks for any help.

It takes standard AA batterys which you could end up spending alot on if you don’t have recharable ones to hand. (unless its says somwere that it has an inbuilt charger)

Not really fussed about that, I’m sure I could find some money for rechargeables.

Rechargeable batteries aren’t very expensive, though.

true, but its another cost to add to the list.

Btw, another question for this thread, why does it seem that the pro guys always have the cameras with huge lenses?

The lens on that camera is a SLR lens which means you can take it off and change lenses. This gives pros tons of options for shooting shots. the camera your looking at buying has a fixed lens

Looks pretty good. 12 megapixels is pretty big, almost huge. 5 x optical zoom is pretty good, 2.5in colour LCD screen is great.

I/we have a Kodak Easy Share model C743 (whatever that means) and it’s only got 7.1 MP, 3x optical zoom, and a 2" lcd screen. I think we payed like $200 for it. Works great, nice pictures.

AA batteries is probably the best way to go, especially if you have other devices which use them already and you cna switch em around or brings extras, whatever. I wouldn’t want to have to charge a special camera battery all the time, recharble AA’s work great.

You’re better off, IMHO,with a camera that takes AA batteries than some special proprietary cell, since you can always pick up AAs in most stores if your rechargables ever run low.

One thing to look at when buying a digital camera for use with sports (like unicycling) is the power-on time and the recycle time… how quick can you take a picture after you turn it on? How much time between pictures? Those details can make the difference between a picture and a missed opportunity.

I checked out Kodak’s site to find out more about that camera… it seems to have lots of nifty features such as stitch mode (for shooting panoramas), selectable aspect ratio and a high resolution LCD screen. The coolest feature about the camera, hands down, is that it’ll record 720p HD video at 30 fps. As long as you have a fatty memory card, you should get a lot of mileage out of this feature!

Unfortunately it reports 1.6 seconds between each shot (although you can burst up to three pictures at 1.7 fps)… that seems kinda slow.

A review (found by searching “Kodak Easyshare Z1275 review” on Google) claimed a 5 second startup time and 2 seconds between each shot. That seems even slower. Another review said image quality wasn’t as good as expected for a 12MP camera. That’s too bad…

I wouldn’t get this camera if I were using it for sports, but it seems to be an average camera for still life, portraits, landscapes, etc.

Be sure to check out Google shopping… I’m seeing that camera available in the US for 10-20% less than the page you linked to… sorry if you don’t get the same deal in the UK :o

Also, check out product reviews on Amazon.com… often times a product will have many different reviews and you can read through all the pros and cons from people who actually bought the camera.

You’re doing a photography course with a point and shoot? Most photo courses require an SLR camera. Check film (which you’ll be working with in class I’m sure) on Ebay. I got a film camera body and a lense for less than $100. As far as the camera you’re asking about, if thats really what you want then yeah thats fine, but you’ll find that it’s very limited when it comes to doing photography. Especially for a course. You can’t change aperture, shutter speed or use an off-camera flash. I’d check into film for the course, but to have it for video, thats all you’ll need.

Bells and whistles do not make cameras. Optics and CCD’s make cameras. Buying a Kodak is probably OK. Buying a Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, or the like is probably better. These guys have all made quality optics and they have known how to record images with high resolution for decades and still do.

I have not bought a camera for some time so my opinion on the specs is not appropriately up to date. The 5x optical zoom that the Kodak offers is a plus. It takes videos with sound which is fun and good for recording highlights of group rides, probably inadequate for quality usable video. Again, this is no big deal, you’re buying a camera, not a digital video recorder.

The larger lens lets in more light so you have more possible exposure settings, the larger lens may have less distortion, and a larger lens may also have less (I’m forgetting the proper word here) shading around the corners of the photo.

[What’s that word I’m trying to recall? At wider angles some lenses will have a shadow or shading in the corners of the picture.]

Anyways, check what your photography course will require for a camera. A point and shoot style camera might not be suitable. There are some pseudo-SLR digital cameras available now. Less expensive the full fledged SLR cameras while still having the SLR style controls and focusing and manual features.

Photography students ought to be able to find film SLRs for cheap. I donated my old film SLR to a local camera shop that distributes suitable SLR cameras to students for cheap. Contact the local camera shops that carry used gear. Some might have especially good deals for photography students.

Film SLRs are dirt cheap on ebay, example this EOS-1 going for £75, i can remember my neighbour paying over £1k for one of these 12 years ago.

Using film opens up the possibility of messing with the development and printing yourself, assuming you have suitable facilities.

I don’t think my A level photogaphy will really require one of these SLR things…as from what I’ve seen of pictures I’ve taken before with digital cameras that aren’t even that special, you can take pretty good pictures.

What I was interested in really was how good the filming quality would be…

So thanks for that.

If you did want a film (rather than digital) SLR. I’ve got one that is free to a good home (except for postage costs). Canon EOS, very good condition.

Cathy

The word is vignetting.

I own a Kodak Z700 digital camera. While it takes pretty good pictures under well illuminated conditions, I have never, not even once, gotten it to take a decent picture with the flash. It lacks a full-manual mode, which bothers the heck out of me because I’m used to shooting film in a real SLR camera, and under full manual control with high-end video cameras.

I would personally steer clear of any Kodak digital cameras. The interface sucks, the proprietary software is MADDENING to use, and the flash is useless. I don’t know if that particular camera will be the same, but if my experience is anything to go on, get something else!

You should look into your course and make sure a point and shoot will be acceptable. I would be willing to bet that it isn’t!

There are two kinds of photography class. One teaches you how to use your camera, so at a minimum you need a camera that lets you set f-stop and shutter speed. The other is more about how to aim the camera; in other words it’s more about composition, lighting, and other factors but not necessarily about the workings of the camera.

The first college-level photography class I took was at what is now called the College for Creative Studies in Detroit (in 1980). For each class previously, the required camera was an ultra-basic $5 camera with a plastic bubble lens and three f-stops (or was it three shutter speeds?). Regardless, the idea was that it’s not the equipment that makes the picture, it’s the photographer. Unfortunately in 1980 the cameras were no longer available. I saw one the other day in a trendy store, probably an exact reproduction of those old things, but it was something like $60.

It’s true, the equipment doesn’t make the photograph, or art. But better equipment will enable you to take faster pictures, or in lower light, or without a tripod, or with a focal length you choose, etc.

However, if you’re taking something that calls itself a photography “class,” you owe it to yourself to at least learn about f-stops and shutter speeds, even if they don’t cover it in the class. I highly recommend getting a camera that has controls for these, preferrably on the outside of the camera without having to go through menus, but this may up the price.

Whether you want to deal with film is another story. It is swiftly on its way out except as a fine art medium, so enjoy it if you want to play with chemicals and darkrooms, but I don’t miss it at all. Photoshop (or similar) requires requires a lot less equipment, a dedicated room, etc., and is a lot cheaper. Plus I got allergic reactions to the b&w print chemistry. If you want to learn photography to make money with it someday, you definitely want to be digital.

For manual controls, I’d get one of these, the Canon G7 or G9. I might just get one of those myself if my little camera dies soon.

What you don’t need:

  • 12 megapixels – That’s excessive. 4-6 is plenty, unless you want to make poster prints. 8 is enough for almost everybody, which allows you to make poster prints with cropping. Remember, they’re just cramming more and more pixels onto an image-capture chip (CCD or CMOS) that isn’t getting any bigger, which meahs the pixels keep getting smaller, which generally means they need more light to do a good job.

  • Digital zoom – Just ignore it. All it does is zoom in on a smaller number of pixels, giving you a lower-quality picture. You could do the same with Photoshop (or similar software), and probably with better quality.

  • Internal memory – Again just ignore it, and don’t pay extra. 64 MB is probably about 40 pictures or less at the camera’s fine setting, which is all you should ever use. Memory cards are cheap and you’ll need at least one anyway.

  • ISO settings over 800 – Pictures taken at ISO 800 on point-and-shoot digitals usually look pretty bad. 200 or higher on my Casio. 800 and higher is usually a joke so don’t worry about it. Most of your pictures will be taken at the lowest ISO settings anyway.

  • “LCD viewfinder” – This is their way of saying “no optical viewfinder.” Most of the smaller cameras today don’t have optical viewfinders. That is, you have to use the LCD to see where you’re pointing. Problem is, in bright sun you often can’t. See that is. It’s also a problem in very dark settings, where the LCD may be way too bright, and annoying to people around you as well as hard to use. Try to find a camera with an optical viewfinder. One way to tell if it’s there is by looking for the little window on the front of the camera, but there are also little windows for light sensors & things so be careful.

  • “TV docking station (not included)” – Sounds like you may need an additional accessory to download video in HD. I’d read up on that.

  • The Kodak brand name – Kodak makes top-end professional image sensors and camera backs, and low-end consumer cameras. They generally don’t cover the area in between. Companies like Canon, Olympus, Nikon, Sony and the other major camera companies are much better in this space.

Stuff you should want:

  • Good optics – A good picture starts with a good lens. Read up on your chosen camera at review sites like Steves-digicams.com to see how they compare with other lenses. You don’t have to read the whole review, I usually just skip to the “Conclusion” until I’ve narrowed to a handful of models.

  • Good image sensor – Little cameras have tiny image sensors. Though they can do a very good job, some do it much better than others. Again check the reviews. Bigger cameras generally have bigger sensors, which relates to the question about big lenses (see below).

  • Quick speeds – As Maestro8 mentioned above, make sure your camera isn’t sluggish. John Childs and I used to own the same Casio camera. It was a great model, but was very slow with startup and shot-to-shot. Frustrating on the trail! We both have faster ones now. I use my “little camera” for trail rides and otherwise when I don’t want to lug the big one plus lenses, flash, etc. I need to be able to whip it out and catch a picture quickly. It starts up pretty fast, but is still a little sluggish between shots. Burst mode (like a motor drive) is only something you’ll need if you shoot sports or other moving objects. You can definitely live without it.

  • More than enough card and battery to last you – The plus side of AA batteries is you can always buy new ones if you have to. But you’ll save lots of money if you buy two or more sets of rechargeables and take the charger on trips with you. Lithium AAs also last a really long time. That said, both of my current cameras use proprietary lithium batteries. My Casio’s tiny battery will go all day just fine. But I never go anywhere without the second battery (which I ordered separately) and the charger. The same applies to memory cards. At today’s prices, anything less than 1GB is a joke. I recommend always having an extra card with you as well. You never know when you’re going to need it!

  • Software that doesn’t suck – Assume that whatever comes with the camera will suck, because almost all of it does. The camera (and printer!) companies are not in the software business, and it shows. Use Photoshop, or Photoshop Elements, or something made to work with digital images, and what you learn will be transferable to any camera or digital image you need to work on. I use Photoshop, and a product called Iview MediaPro (now Microsoft Expression Media) to keep track of my 50,000 or so photos. I might be switching to Adobe Lightroom in the future.

There are two different answers to that:

  1. Guys who “look” pro because they carry around cameras with huge lenses, generally in the form of long lenses. Usually they are carrying much more telephoto than they can use much of the time, because they bought it. They don’t necessarily know how to use their cameras but the could afford to buy it. Their equivalent has $4000 mountain bikes on the trails but no riding skills. Pity them. They probably work all the time so they don’t have a chance to practice photography or riding.

  2. Actual pros. As mentioned above, you need big glass to let in lots of light. Where their lens can zoom to 300mm at f-2.8, your point-and-shoot probably starts around f-4 at its widest focal length and then goes to f-5.6 when you zoom in. You just can’t shoot in a gym without a flash or three times as much light, while they can still stop the action.

That’s not just the $2000+ lens, it’s also their image sensor. The “Pro” level digital SLRs cost a lot more because they have “full frame” image sensors. That means the sensor is the same size as the frame of an old piece of 35mm film. That’s about 10 times the area in a small camera’s image sensor. They are much more light sensitive. My Canon 20D has a sensor about 2/3 the size of a full-frame one. It’s better, but someday I’ll have the big one, and the f-2.8 lens so I can shoot unicycle Freestyle in the gym without a flash!

Sorry, that was long. I should teach photogrphy (or at least camera-buying) classes. Hope that was useful. If you really want to learn photography, get a camera with manual controls and learn how to use them. And have fun! And BTW, if making videos is your real priority, get a video camera. There’s no comparison.