Pedal grab help seriously needed......

Hey,

First of all, it is extremely hard to do the second “to rubber” part of a crank hang or a pedal grab for me, and, maybe, all females. Probly has to do with the upper-body strength issue. Do any of you know any females who can do this!?

Okay, so I can crank hang just fine (I grind backwardz!!) and I can usually pedal grab pretty good. Just onto a low object, mind you. I am very comfortable in the crank hang position, as I can do seat drop and stuff like that. But I have yet to make it up to rubber on anything from a grab or a hang. I got very close…but didn’t quite make it. Damn!!

So, I would like to know if you guys (and maybe girlz!) think its easier to get up to rubber from a pedal grab or a crank hang…just for the purposes of practice, I have heard that pedal grabbing is more accurate and stuff…but which would get me closer to making it to rubber? Also, if I DO do a pedal grab, would it help me at all to do the thing where you swing the uni (with the seat still in your hand) around the pedal 360 +/- degrees, like they did in Under No Influence? Or would it just be best to swing just a little, like you’re rocking or idling? I jump with the seat out in front of me, with my right foot back (I think I’m “goofy”) and hop to the right. Is this a good setup? I also use both hands on the seat, unless I’m just doing it seat-in, which seems a lot harder to me. Is that okay? Well, I mean, it’ll have to be okay, cuz there’s no way I’m getting that height using just one hand!!!

Another thought that occured to me was to use a smaller wheel (like a 16") or a lighter unicycle. Does this make sense? Has anyone tried it yet? I could maybe just use that for learning and then graduate to my KH20".

Oh, and, another question: when ppl pedal grab up onto something and then just keep their cranks horizontal the whole way through and hop up to rubber in this way, are they just pretty much pulling up on the seat as much as they need to to keep their cranks horizontal, like with grinding on the pedal, or do they actually just swing a little and I missed seeing that part?

Any tips on how I could get to rubber or gain more upper-body strenght would be much appreciated. It sucks to be a chick in this regard cuz, even though I can lift a 150-pound person up off of the group, I still can’t get this down!! Also, any tips on how to get my courage up to continue to do this with higher obstacles? I also thought about using my mini-trampoline to launch to get higher, use it to land on, or even do a kind of set-up where I grab or hang up onto something, and then have an obstacle over to the other side as the side that I just grabbed on which is not quite as tall (big a jump/hop) up to. And then try to land on rubber on that. It seems like it might work…give me some practice on hopping from the crank to rubber…??

Thanks so much guys,

L8er,

I can’t do a pedal grab, but I can go to rubber from a crank hang. Since you’re not hopping off of the tire, you can’t use the compression to spring yourself up at all. You just need to jump normally, like you would without the unicycle, and pull the uni up with you.

Also, pedal grabbing on to something with your back foot is a lot harder than with your front foot (from what I’ve heard). I also do it with my back foot, though, and I’ve been sort of working on a weird thing to help me. With the pedal on the object, pull the unicycle up so the free pedal is in back. This should be the incorrect position for hopping. Then pull up to go to rubber, and do a full 180 degree crank turn, landing with the pedals in the right position for hopping. I’ve gotten to rubber several times doing this, but I haven’t successfully landed it yet.

I don’t mean to sound sexist but I think it’s really impressive that you’re a chick and you can unispin!

Ok, so you wanna do pedal and crank grabs to rubber?

The natural progression for me was to go from seat in crank grabs to seat out crank grabs, and then several weeks later, seat out pedal grabs.

I think you’ll be ok practicing on your KH20 but if you’ve got a 16" handy, no harm trying that. I think you’ll find that you have more than enough body strength as soon as you figure out the technique. The great thing I’ve found about getting crank grabs down is that once you’ve done one of them successfully, you can pretty much do them all day long without any problems.

I think a good tip I can give you is to lean your unicycle inwards (push the seat towards the object you’re trying to jump onto) before you jump up… I mean, lean it in a bit more than you might expect you need to. The lean in thing isn’t exactly necessary but it does seem to make me land very much on the object.

As far as the actual jump action goes, it’s really a “what you see is what you get” thing, you just gotta believe that you’re gonna do it and go for it, it’s not quite as psychologically daunting as unispins so you’ll be fine!

When you get on to seat out pedal grabs, gerblefranklin posted some good tips on it if you can find them (they worked for me) but basically you swing your free foot up and jump when it’s quite high up (and again, lean the uni inwards).

Good luck
Yeah! Go the trials girls!
Pete

My question to you is this:
Do you use a pre-hop when making large jumps?
If so this may be where you’re having trouble. When I started, my learning progression was barely a preogression (maybe in part to the fact I was learning on a 24" MUni). I then took a week off and just worked on my non-pre hop jumping technique. And the next time I went to practice I got it.
Hope this helps,
Zac

So, here’s a little secret. The most common form of pedalgrabbing and crankgrabbing foot positions is off the front foot. But all is not lost. In fact, some is gained. Because you pedalgrab off your back foot, try this, rather than all those crappy ways you see most people do (including me).

I first think it’s worth mentioning that it’s fine that you use two hands for hopping seat out, but the move I’m about to describe needs some control and extra balance that really can only be achieved with a free hand. I reccomend that you learn to hop seat out with your left hand on the seat if you hop to the right, or with your right hand on the seat if you hop to the left WARNING: LONG PARENTHESES, NOT NECCESSARILY USEFUL FOR PEDALGRABS, BUT STILL GOOD INFO. (this is because if you hop towards the hand you hold the seat with, when you try to lift the uni it will angle the tire away from the obstacle, which will make things way harder and you will fall lots more. I hop to the left with my right hand on the seat. I can consistently make 28-29" to rubber, but when I hop to the right I can barely make 20". This is not because I cannot get the tire onto the object [that’s the easy part]. The problem is that when I jump onto the object to the right, my hand lifts the seat so that the tire naturally angles to the left. That’s why most high hoppers hop to the direction opposite their hand. Anyways, when I do big hops to the right, once my tire’s on the object, I put my weight on the wheel and one of three things can happen. First, the uni can just collapse out from under me and I fall, which sucks. Second, I can have the seat ripped out of my hand because I can’t grip hard enough to keep it up. Third, I muscle the seat up from being ripped out of my hand and keep it up, and end up doing a 3-4’ gap to get control over the uni again. That’s when I land it. On the other hand, when I do big hops to the left, it’s nice because half my tire simply lands on the edge of the object and I just tip onto it, and have a smooth landing)

Now for the pedalgrab:

Climb up on the object and do a PEDAL hang, without the crank touching the object. The front of the unicycle should be angled towards the object as much as you can. Crank clearance should not be a problem, as the crank will never hit the object. Get comfortable. Now, with all your weight on the pedal on the object, swing the uni with the pedal as the axis of rotation. It’s okay if the crank hits the obstacle, as long as whoever owns the obstacle doesn’t mind crank-marks (there’s a ledge by my house with a black rubber mark on the side of it for about 6’. It abruptly stops 10" from the top of the ledge. This is where I learned to crank grab).

Now, carefully and slowly bring the uni up so that your right foot is in front. the uni should still be angled in enough that the front of the tire is maybe 1-2.5" from the object. This is a kinda steep angle. Once you have the uni in this position, lower it as low as is comfortable for you to keep the outside foot on the pedal. Then, in a rather quick movement, spin the wheel around the pedal, keeping your outside foot on the pedal, and jump lightly off the inside foot. The spin combined with the jump should basically “roll” you onto the object. This is easier on longer cranks. By doing the roll move, you are jumping around 2-4", rather than 10". Truse me, it’s easier. I learned this move from Mike Middleton. He’s a great trials rider who skipped crankgrabs and just did what I describe above. It’s easier than crankgrabs, and much more precise.

If you want a video I’ll try to get one in my gallery in a few days to a week. As for one-handed seat out, dont’ worry, it’s harder at first, but will get easier with time.

Most of all, good luck! I tried to be clear, but if it’s not I’ll reiterate anything that needs it. And also, it’s fine to skip crank grabs. They’re not all that useful, and are way hard. I’m a guy and I swim tons, maning I have plenty of upper-body strength. Still, it took me around three months to land my first complete crankgrab. And still another three to do a pedalgrab. Now I only pedalgrab.

As for my way, I hop to the left with my right foot back, so i do a pedalgrab by slowly raising the uni until my back foot’s above lateral and then I do a quick jump as I swing the pedal up still more. then, I swing them back to lateral as I land. It takes a while to get precise forward-backward, but once you are you can get onto stuff as small as the top of a 4x4 (piece of wood). Good luck (again).

Remember, the most important thing is having faith. I never landed anything until I believed I could. I can only do a big hop if I think I can. If you don’t believe in yourself, I promise, you won’t do it.

Something that may help is a distraction to get yourself to go for a move. Sometimes when I’m distracted I go for stuff without any reserves and then land it. For example, a girl I liked was walking by as I tried to learn crankgrabs, and I went for ti as she passed. Being a dumb, testosterone crazed idiot, I was half distracted by seeing if she was watching. Without even thinking, I did the crankgrab, some corner of my mind still expecting a fall (the rest to trying in vain to see through the corner of my eye to see if she was watching), and instead I landed it. Noone saw, but whatever, as I landfed it five times afterwards, without messing up. Basically, if you relax and don’t neccessarily think about the move, you may lose some inhibition that’s making you hold back and land it inadvertantly. I was also distracted when I landed my first ever 26" hop. Strange, but it seems to work for me (in some cases).

If you read this entire post, I am amazed, since nethier reading nor writing 5927 characters is an easy feat!

P.S. Check out my gallery, some new vids of me doing a wheelwalk up a hill and gliding down it ought to be up in a few days.

Later.

I think gerblefranklin did a pretty good job of explaining it. Personally, I find going to rubber easier off pedal grabs than crank grabs.

I struggled with going to rubber for a long time. What made the difference for me was a change inthe way I thought about the jump. When I was trying to learn it, my thought process for going to rubber was basically to just do a good sideways hop off the pedal, and then try to land in control. I didn’t come close. I needed a new approach. The change I made was to break the hop up into 2 parts, and the landing took care of itself.

My new thought process was now this (and the other descriptions here also seem to describe this in a similar fashion):

  1. Get my momentum moving in the direction you need to go to land on top of the object (i.e., mostly upwards, but also slightly sideways; I know I’m stating the obvious, but I like to make things as clear as possible). (I go off my front foot, but I’m sure this technique could be used for going of the rear foot as well). I start with my outside foot low (lets say the crank is approx. 45 degrees below horizontal), and start by bringing my unicycle and body upwards, until the outside crank is about 30 degrees above horizontal.
  2. Do the hop. My momentum will carry me sufficiently high enough and far enough sideways to land on top, so the actual hop is focused more on control (and not power) so you can successfully land with the tire sufficiently on top of the object. The actual hop is really quite light. The outside crank is probably about 45 degrees above horizontal as my pedal leaves the object.

Although it all happens quickly, I can pick out 2 distinct steps both watching other people pedal grab to rubber and actually doing it myself.

To simplify, I first start by first getting myself moving in the proper direction with the pedal planted, and THEN I hop lightly from the pedal and focus on landing accurately and in control.

Like gerblefranklin said, remember that you only need to jump high enough to get your tire on top, no need to jump way over the edge. Smaller hops are easier to control.

I don’t think that upper body strenth is too much of an issue. I agree with pete66 in that you will find you have more than enough.

This is what worked for me, it might or it might not work for you, but I figure it’s worth a try!

Hey, thanks for all the great advice guys! And, yeah, sure, I’d love for you to post a vid of pedal grabbing/crank hanging…that would be VERY helpful!! I almost never pre-hop because I find it gets me off balance or at an angle from left to right too much.

Gerble, that method you described is about the same as the method I described above, isn’t it? So, at least now I know it can work…

i’ll just add that if you are strong enough to jump seat out to crank, you are definatly strong enough to go to rubber.

john

Sara,

As promised, see http://gallery.unicyclist.com/SabinAtThePark . Check out the still sequence starting at pic 282 for the crank hang to rubber.

Potter: Yeah, that’s what you described. I think it’s more of a roll than a hop, though. And yes, it’s very possible, I’ve seen Mike Middleton do it onto the tops of 6x8s multiple times.

It’ll be a while until I get a video of the pedalgrabs up, because my parents have hijacked my camera for a 10 day cruize. I’ll post when I get a video up.

Sara,

There’s a clip of me pedal grabbing in the new video in my most recent thread (see the last post). It’s not done very smoothly at all as it’s only the 3rd pedal grab I’ve landed but it does show how little arm strength is required and how you don’t have to hop very high from the hang position.

Andrew

Wow, In the last 20 minutes of practice, which has been my first working on pedal grabs in the last year, I just learned. I had pretty much given up, but with the advice stated above in mind, I gave it a try. Thanks for the advice everyone.

WHOOO sweet, I did it! I can do pedal grabs now. Yay! But, I have a question again:
I just got new pedals, which I think contributed greatly to my sudden success.They have big ol’ pins on them to stick to my feet. Will pedal grabs damage the pins at all? Sometime soon, I’m going to either buy or make some grindplates. But until then, should I not try pedal grabs?

And when I get a grind plate, will that make it harder to do pedal grabs because of the slippyness?

It depends on the pedals and what you’re pedal grabbing on. Most pedals will hold up fine if you’re pedal grabbing on wood. Especially oldish, rotting wood. Concrete? The damage probablity grows. However, if you’re going to get a grind plate, thus making one side the designated pedal grab side, I dont see the harm in letting on side of you’re pedal grab side pedal getting marred. I just got a new pair of snafu’s so I could mar them, rather than ruin my 100 dollar pair of pedals. As to the difficulty, I couldnt tell you.

What kind of pedals are they? I ride snafus, and they hold up okay, except I’ve ripped two pins out of them. I now have one side of the pedal that I only use for pedalgrabs, and the other side my shoe always goes on. Pedalgrabbing only wood will greatly lengthen the life of your pedal and crank. More to the point, you shoudln’t be worryign about your pedals so much as scouting the great new set of obstacles you can now handle! Now you needn’t get off your uni to get over a shorti-ish chain-link fence:) .

The pedals I have are these: http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=218

Most of what I’m grabbing on to will be cement, with the occasional wood. I guess I could do it only on one side of the pedal, but I’d need to mark it somehow to make sure I did only use that side.

Woah, this thread has a lot of great information, I think it is worth being revived. I have yet to land a pedal grab, but now I have a few new perspectives on technique. Makes me itchy to go out and try some things…