Open-X 4 Females?

If I am correct, Open-X is not as “Open” to supporting gender separation as I would like it to be.

I think there are gender “categories” for unicycle racing (fast and slow), track, field, MUni, artistic freestyle, and Trials. If (in my opinion) Open-X features mostly “flatland” skills, which is “extreme” freestyle skills, then shouldn’t the scoring and judging be the same as freestyle? I may have inaccurate information on any of this, but I believe that there is a reason that only 2 (in my knowledge) females have ever done Open-X (that would be me and I think Dana Schneider).

Sure, it is “Open”-X, but if they make it so “Open” then why do they even have a qualifying round (that’s what I’ve heard). I was just recently bored by having to sit through all of the freestyle routines by beginner-level riders in the NAUCC 1999 Convention tape. If you’re into EXtreme, you should be given the same chance as those little kids (and even older riders).

Just some food for thought, and, no…this ISN"T just an advertisement for “One-Wheeled Women!”

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At least a tape can be fast-forwarded. Who made you sit through it? :slight_smile:

So I’m not sure where you are going with your post. Are you asking for equal rights for the oppressed women of Open-X? A reasonable response might be to say there aren’t enough entrants to create a separate category… :wink:

But your conclusions are based on things you’ve heard here and there, and apparently not on the actual rules as they exist and are available for download.

Freestyle and Open-X are not intended to be the same thing, so they have different sets of judging criteria. The basic idea is that Open-X has less of a need to entertain, and is intended to look more like something from the X-Games. The problem is that so far it hasn’t drawn many quality competitors. Most of the best Open-X performers we’ve had so far have been champions from the Freestyle realm, basically doing Freestyle performances.

I think what the Open-X event needs is a set of props onstage, for all riders to use (or not use) in their performances as they see fit. This need not be the same set of props for every competition, but riders should have plenty of time to practice on them before the event. Then the event name should be changed to Street Freestyle. Maybe it should also be moved outside, onto pavement. That will offer the proper traction and less worries about the riding surface.

BTW, I would like Open-X (and the other events) to have a preliminary/qualification round. This would give us a much better show for the final competition, weeding out much of what you sat through in your video. But such a rule does not yet exist, partly because of the extra time required for the finalists to perform (and be judged) twice.

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I’ve never really made a big deal about equal right and that thing. Why do women have to have a whole own division to compeate in? Is it sort of how black people have their own magazine. I mean C’mon at my school there’s a black student union. I think that’s just taking it alittle to far.(I swear i ain’t racist I just sound like it. THough i have been acused of it many times)

Thumbs up for black people and Women.:smiley:

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IIRC unicon 2002 was the first Open X comp. its small at the mo. Not enough competitors entered to make it worth spliting M & F . Kind of like the UK free style comp where we dont split by age or gender at present.
Another other Open event with no gender split at Unicon 2002 was the Unlimited marathon. I was the first woman in that race but there were not enough women to make it worth a seperate set of awards so I didn’t get one. At the time I was narked because the race had been listed as gender split. Now I don’t care, the blokes WERE faster than me. partly because I was on a 29er and they were on cokers, but thats the unlimited for you equipment counts for a lot in that race.
Hockey and Basket ball are not gender or age split either. no shortage of girls who play as well as the boys there.

Open X isn’t free style , I don’t want it to always be won by the same people that win freestyle. Unfortunalty till Open X is bit more established there not many Open X judges who are not free style judges. Open X should be ablout creating new stuff and thats not a gender specific thing at all.Personally I’m happy for it to stay mixed.

On a slightly differnet tack. WHY is freesytle split by gender? what the idea behind that split? The raceing one I understand as men have a different musle stucture to women, making them “generally” faster and stronger. How does that advantage some one in the precise and balanced world of freestyle? Or standard skill, Why is that gender split?

Sarah

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I think we did the first one at NUC in Toronto in 2001, but of course that wasn’t Unicon. Yes, the event is still small, undeveloped, and misunderstood. Since it’s misunderstood by almost everybody, we still don’t have a solid picture of what we want it to be. We’ve made major changes already, but for the most part nobody actually reads the rules.

The road races don’t get enough respect. Because they are not listed as “required” events by the rules, the awards unfortunately can be whatever the host chooses. Disgraceful that at a Unicon the women’s category would be discarded. If they advertised a women’s division they should have awarded one. Final host-end decisions on that stuff are often made by Andy Cotter, so you could ask him about it for Unicon XII…

Indeed it does. One’s mode of transportation to the convention often determines what we will ride in that as well. I will have my Coker in SLC, but not in Tokyo!

Blame it on the judges then! Yes, it is their fault too, but it is equally the fault of the competitors and all of us, for not understanding what we want the event to be.

The very first running of Open-X, in Toronto, I believe, should have been won by Dana Schneider. She went out and did a bunch of really hard tricks, and had zero dismounts. Everybody else fell a lot. Based on the original set of judging criteria (which was different from the current version), she should have been the clear winner. But judges picked someone who did more “new” stuff. I believe the judges had the spirit of the event in mind more than the specific judging criteria. Now the rules are weighted more to originality and creativity.

Good question. And I believe it has two answers:

  1. To create as many awards as possible, a disease we suffer from in the USA more than the IUF.
  2. Because it’s still a physical sport, where each sex has some advantages or disadvantages over the other.

Continuing with #2. First the basics, for Worminton who asked before. Males and females have different muscle tissue (and other obvious differences) Female muscle tissue has a higher fat percentage than the male version, so men are generally stronger. That is a super-simplified version of why genders are split in most sports.

Ever wonder why some sports are only for women? How come there is no men’s version of uneven parallel bars or balance beam? Is it because of possible crotch damage if they make mistakes? I don’t think so, but of course there are even more sports that are men-only.

For Freestyle, let’s look at figure skating. Notice the men’s and women’s performances have a generally different style. The men are more athletic, with more quad jumps and strength moves. The women’s are usually more balletic, and you generally see more flexibility moves. Though they could compete against each other, I think there are both enough participation, and enough physical differences between the sexes to make it sensible to separate them.

I believe the same applies to Freestyle and Standard Skill, though on a smaller scale. Dividing the sexes also promotes more participation, we hope.

For Standard Skill, you can always compare scores. But for the most part we don’t see any big trends that differentiate the men from the women.

If Freestyle were to get a lot bigger, it would be possible to separate Pairs Freestyle into three groups; male, female, and mixed. Ever notice how skating is only mixed? Why not boy-boy and girl-girl? Yuck, you say (me too)? Other sports do it. How about Artistic Bicycling? The Doubles category is athletically extremely hard (not to mention dangerous). But it’s either boy-boy, girl-girl, or nothing. I think the Artistic Bike people are a little too serious about their sport. If they were to make it a little bit more “fun” I’m sure they could get lots more growth!

Sorry

Sorry, sorry, my bad, I guess I was probably just testin’ you guys by this post, and I think I’ve been reading my Seventeen girls magazine and doing a little too much research on the “controversy” behind the all-girls skate jam. I dunno, maybe I shouldn’t make One-Wheeled Women. ?

However, I know a few females who would like to do the more extreme competition or at least just extreme unicycling as a sport but get embarrassed and intimidated by all the guys. Even if a guys not very good, in my experience, he can still jump higher than the average chick. Its the upper body strength, and the extra body tissue issue, I think. And how many females compete in the high jump or long jump SERIOUSLY. I mean, like, I think a lot of them do it just cuz its there, and something to do, or that they could possibly place at. I only know a few females who would actually drive half an hour away from where the main event is held at UNICON or NAUCC to compete in the high jump or the long jump event which was being held on a special track. I guess my dumb, illogical question is, if the high jump, long jump, Trials, and MUni (which are “EXtreme” events) are all usually divided into the separate gender categories because of the difference in strength between men and women, then why shouldn’t Open-X be? I mean, its the only event that’s designed to be and with eXtreme in the title…

However, I would really like to promote the Open-X competition, so I think that, at the time being, the genders should be mixed, and, I agree with John Foss, it would totally make it so that more people turned out to watch the event if there was first a preliminary/qualification round. As a female, AND a not-extremely skilled unicyclist, I would probably not make the cut, but am willing to make that sacrifice to see Open-X grow. MAYBE, POSSIBLY, if the genders were split, it would encourage a few more females to do Open-X, but I just think we can’t afford to take that chance now. Open-X might not be the same in the regard that (at least under my experience) females entered the Trials competition mainly because (they knew the males would probably be better at it than them) but then they had their own gender category. Just think how few girls would not enter the Trials competition if the genders suddenly became mixed. Most of us would be goners.

Go girls!

~Sara