On Morality

An Evolutionary Theory of Right and Wrong---- By NICHOLAS WADE
The New York Times via Factiva

October 31, 2006

Who doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong? Yet that essential
knowledge, generally assumed to come from parental teaching or religious
or legal instruction, could turn out to have a quite different origin.

Primatologists like Frans de Waal have long argued that the roots of human
morality are evident in social animals like apes and monkeys. The animals’
feelings of empathy and expectations of reciprocity are essential
behaviors for mammalian group living and can be regarded as a counterpart
of human morality.

Marc D. Hauser, a Harvard biologist, has built on this idea to propose that
people are born with a moral grammar wired into their neural circuits by
evolution. In a new book, ‘‘Moral Minds’’ (HarperCollins 2006), he argues
that the grammar generates instant moral judgments which, in part because
of the quick decisions that must be made in life-or-death situations, are
inaccessible to the conscious mind.

People are generally unaware of this process because the mind is adept at
coming up with plausible rationalizations for why it arrived at a decision
generated subconsciously.

Dr. Hauser presents his argument as a hypothesis to be proved, not as an
established fact. But it is an idea that he roots in solid ground,
including his own and others’ work with primates and in empirical results
derived by moral philosophers.

The proposal, if true, would have far-reaching consequences. It implies that
parents and teachers are not teaching children the rules of correct
behavior from scratch but are, at best, giving shape to an innate
behavior. And it suggests that religions are not the source of moral codes
but, rather, social enforcers of instinctive moral behavior.

Both atheists and people belonging to a wide range of faiths make the same
moral judgments, Dr. Hauser writes, implying ‘‘that the system that
unconsciously generates moral judgments is immune to religious doctrine.’’
Dr. Hauser argues that the moral grammar operates in much the same way as
the universal grammar proposed by the linguist Noam Chomsky as the innate
neural machinery for language. The universal grammar is a system of rules
for generating syntax and vocabulary but does not specify any particular
language. That is supplied by the culture in which a child grows up.

The moral grammar too, in Dr. Hauser’s view, is a system for generating moral
behavior and not a list of specific rules. It constrains human behavior so
tightly that many rules are in fact the same or very similar in every
society – do as you would be done by; care for children and the weak;
don’t kill; avoid adultery and incest; don’t cheat, steal or lie.

But it also allows for variations, since cultures can assign different weights
to the elements of the grammar’s calculations. Thus one society may ban
abortion, another may see infanticide as a moral duty in certain
circumstances. Or as Kipling observed, ‘‘The wildest dreams of Kew are the
facts of Katmandu, and the crimes of Clapham chaste in Martaban.’’

Matters of right and wrong have long been the province of moral philosophers
and ethicists. Dr. Hauser’s proposal is an attempt to claim the subject
for science, in particular for evolutionary biology. The moral grammar
evolved, he believes, because restraints on behavior are required for
social living and have been favored by natural selection because of their
survival value.

Much of the present evidence for the moral grammar is indirect. Some of it
comes from psychological tests of children, showing that they have an
innate sense of fairness that starts to unfold at age 4. Some comes from
ingenious dilemmas devised to show a subconscious moral judgment generator
at work. These are known by the moral philosophers who developed them as
‘‘trolley problems.’’

Suppose you are standing by a railroad track. Ahead, in a deep cutting from
which no escape is possible, five people are walking on the track. You
hear a train approaching. Beside you is a lever with which you can switch
the train to a sidetrack. One person is walking on the sidetrack. Is it
O.K. to pull the lever and save the five people, though one will die?

Most people say it is.

Assume now you are on a bridge overlooking the track. Ahead, five people on
the track are at risk. You can save them by throwing down a heavy object
into the path of the approaching train. One is available beside you, in
the form of a fat man. Is it O.K. to push him to save the five?

Most people say no, although lives saved and lost are the same as in the first
problem.

Why does the moral grammar generate such different judgments in apparently
similar situations? It makes a distinction, Dr. Hauser writes, between a
foreseen harm (the train killing the person on the track) and an intended
harm (throwing the person in front of the train), despite the fact that
the consequences are the same in either case. It also rates killing an
animal as more acceptable than killing a person.

Many people cannot articulate the foreseen/intended distinction, Dr. Hauser
says, a sign that it is being made at inaccessible levels of the mind.
This inability challenges the general belief that moral behavior is
learned. For if people cannot articulate the foreseen/intended
distinction, how can they teach it?

Dr. Hauser began his research career in animal communication, working with
vervet monkeys in Kenya and with birds. He is the author of a standard
textbook on the subject, ‘‘The Evolution of Communication.’’ He began to
take an interest in the human animal in 1992 after psychologists devised
experiments that allowed one to infer what babies are thinking. He found
he could repeat many of these experiments in cotton-top tamarins, allowing
the cognitive capacities of infants to be set in an evolutionary
framework.

His proposal of a moral grammar emerges from a collaboration with Mr. Chomsky,
who had taken an interest in Dr. Hauser’s ideas about animal
communication. In 2002 they wrote, with Dr. Tecumseh Fitch, an unusual
article arguing that the faculty of language must have developed as an
adaptation of some neural system possessed by animals, perhaps one used in
navigation. From this interaction Dr. Hauser developed the idea that moral
behavior, like language behavior, is acquired with the help of an innate
set of rules that unfolds early in a child’s development.

Social animals, he believes, possess the rudiments of a moral system in that
they can recognize cheating or deviations from expected behavior. But they
generally lack the psychological mechanisms on which the pervasive
reciprocity of human society is based, like the ability to remember bad
behavior, quantify its costs, recall prior interactions with an individual
and punish offenders. ‘‘Lions cooperate on the hunt, but there is no
punishment for laggards,’’ Dr. Hauser said.

The moral grammar now universal among people presumably evolved to its final
shape during the hunter-gatherer phase of the human past, before the
dispersal from the ancestral homeland in northeast Africa some 50,000
years ago. This may be why events before our eyes carry far greater moral
weight than happenings far away, Dr. Hauser believes, since in those days
one never had to care about people remote from one’s environment.

Dr. Hauser believes that the moral grammar may have evolved through the
evolutionary mechanism known as group selection. A group bound by altruism
toward its members and rigorous discouragement of cheaters would be more
likely to prevail over a less cohesive society, so genes for moral grammar
would become more common.

Many evolutionary biologists frown on the idea of group selection, noting that
genes cannot become more frequent unless they benefit the individual who
carries them, and a person who contributes altruistically to people not
related to him will reduce his own fitness and leave fewer offspring.

But though group selection has not been proved to occur in animals, Dr. Hauser
believes that it may have operated in people because of their greater
social conformity and willingness to punish or ostracize those who disobey
moral codes.

‘‘That permits strong group cohesion you don’t see in other animals, which may
make for group selection,’’ he said.

His proposal for an innate moral grammar, if people pay attention to it, could
ruffle many feathers. His fellow biologists may raise eyebrows at
proposing such a big idea when much of the supporting evidence has yet to
be acquired. Moral philosophers may not welcome a biologist’s bid to annex
their turf, despite Dr. Hauser’s expressed desire to collaborate with
them.

Nevertheless, researchers’ idea of a good hypothesis is one that generates
interesting and testable predictions. By this criterion, the proposal of
an innate moral grammar seems unlikely to disappoint.

Drawings (Drawings by Harry Campbell)(pgs. F1, F6) Copyright 2006 The New
York Times Company. All Rights Reserved.

In short: tosh!

At more length: this article is typical of the woolly thinking that often goes with discussions of morals and similar subjective concepts.

What the article says is basically:
There are so many similarities between different moral codes, and the effect of those moral codes is generally “good” for the species, so there may well be a genetic basis for morals.

What it misses is:

  • "Similarities" are arbitrary. Another equally tenable view is that there are so many differences that morals must be cultural rather than genetic. We make comparisons by choosing which aspects to emphasise and compare. My mum thinks all motorbikes are the same; I see fundamental differences. It's a question of selective perception, not of whether the motorbikes are inherently similar or dissimilar. The same principle applies to morals.
  • "Good" for the species, or for the individual, is also subjective. Genetically, the only "good" is for the individual's genes to be passed on to the next generation, and for the individual's offspring to live long enough to reproduce. Some mammals are cannibalistic.

Take the most obvious example from the article: <<don’t kill>>

How many exceptions can we think of here? The truth is that almost every society condones and even encourages killing in certain circumstances - including our own. Our soldiers in Iraq are automatically referred to as “heroes” by the news media; the insurgents, of course, are bloodthirsty scoundrels.

As Spike Milligan once wrote: “We have the enemy fooled: they think we’re the enemy. The perfect disguise!”

But it seemed such a NICE theory.

You of all people, a social constructionist…

Here’s a simpler idea:

Early humans, like many other mammals, formed groups because, in a dangerous and sometimes actively hostile environment, there is safety in numbers.

This divided the world into three things:

  • People within the group.
  • People from outside the group.
  • Non human environmental factos such as predators, the weather, etc.

Lots of groups of humans formed. Those groups interacted, sometimes aggressively, sometimes co-operatively, as circumstances dictated. Where co-operation was required, the groups either merged into larger groups, or formed alliances made of two or more groups. This divided the world into four things:

  • People within the group.
  • People within allied groups.
  • People from outside the group.
  • Non environmental factors such as predators, the weather, etc.

As time went on, the process of merger and alliance continued. At each stage, groups merged or formed alliances to provide mutual protection against a dangerous or hostile environment.

But as these alliances and groups became larger, and social structures developed, the groups themselves became the environment within which individuals had to survive. The community, originally the place of safety, became the dangerous environment.

Therefore, within these larger communities, small groups formed as individuals banded together for mutual protection. This divided the world into five things:

  • People within the individual's immediate small group.
  • People within the larger group.
  • People within allied groups.
  • People from other groups.
  • Non human environmental factors.

Predictably, with further expansion and development, these new “small groups within a larger society” began to merge and form alliances. That would lead to a world divided into six things:

  • People within the individual's immediate small group.
  • People within allied small groups.
  • People within the larger group.
  • People within allied larger groups.
  • People from other groups.
  • Non human environmental factors.

This progression can easily be extended to 7, 8 and more by applying the basic principle:

  • People band together for safety until the group becomes so big and complex that it becomes a dangerous enviroment and sub-groups need to form.

Now, here’s a basic moral rule - possibly the basic moral rule: members of the same group stand up for each other.

But what is the same group? Let me take my own example. I could choose to identify myself as any of the following:
A Morris dancer, unicyclist, or a motorcyclist. (i.e. by my chosen hobby.)
A member of my blood family.
A white person.
A male.
An atheist
Middle class.
… or working class, depending on context!
Middle aged
… or quite young, depending on context!
A member of my team at work.
An employee of the company.
A Nottinghamian.
An East Midlander
A Northerner.
…or a Southener, depending on context.
English.
British.
European.
English speaking.
A citizen of the world.

Most people could put themselves in at least a dozen “tribes” identified by social class, employment, blood family, ethnicity, religion, language, hobbies, age group, etc.

So, when I make a moral decision to stand up for another member of my group, it depends on context.

  • I am at work and someone who happens to be a motorcyclist makes a fraudulent claim. I stand up for my colleagues in the team, regardless of my shared interest with the motorcyclist.
  • I am out on the road and I see a motorcyclist in trouble, I stop to help him.
  • An African I have never met loses his house in a flood. I feel vaguely sorry for him and perhaps pay a couple of pounds to charity if someone asks. A fellow unicyclist I have never met posts in this forum that they've had their unicycle stolen, and I spend two hours writing advice on how to sort out their claim.

Now the problem comes when people don’t agree which group is relevant. I had a real example a few years back. I was a regular and enthusiastic member of a club. A member of that club made a fraudulent claim against the insurance company where I work. I was certain that the claim was fraudulent; I was there when the accident didn’t happen! Was my loyalty to the club or to the company, or to myself (was my job at risk?) or to wider society (the need to promote honesty and prevent fraud, for the general good) or to some more nebulous ideal of “honesty for its own sake”?

I decided my loyalty was to the company that paid my wages; I was ostracised in the club for letting down a fellow club member. My employers felt I made the right moral decision; my club mates felt I had acted against the interests of one of the group.

So my theory is that morality is no more than a development of the idea that you stand up for the members of your group or “tribe”, on the understanding that they would do the same for you.

This is why my great uncle Les was a “hero” for dropping bombs on complete strangers during the war, and why a Palestinian suicide bomber is viewed as a “hero” by (some) members of his own tribe. If great uncle Les had survived the war, and killed a German in 1946, it would have been murder. As it was, he died a hero. (This was a real person. I’ve read his last letter home.)

It is why rich mill owners could do “good” for their family and friends by being “generous” with the money they had made from exploiting the working classes who lived in grinding poverty and disease, working in the mills.

It’s why nearly all of us reading this forum would pay a couple of pounds/dollars for a coffee for a friend, whilst wearing jeans made by strangers who don’t earn that much money in a day.

I’m just not grasping your point, Mike…I don’t think your basic moral rule is really all that much about morals, but about survival (or prospering). I agree with what the article is saying though (or just that is has merit, at the very least).

The “harming others is bad” could easily come down to survival of the species. If humans don’t kill each other, not as many will die. For your war example, that could go back to “if it’s me or you, I choose me”. If Group B endangers Group A’s existence, and Group A fights back and eliminates Group B, they may not have ensured the survival of the big group (all humans), but they’ve ensured the survival of the group they’re in (which is based off of your basic moral/survival rule).

Not all morality can be attributed to genes though. It’s probably very similar to the Nature vs. Nurture debate. Both play an equally large role. The same reason why two people can grow up in an abusive household, and one can be a murderer and the other a “good” person.

I think it is a nice theory that you can drag into a discussion when someone tells you there’s no morality without religion. None of those theories have more than “subjective truth”, but as long as you recognize it for what it is, that’s ok.

can we shorten it down to say ,i dunno 5 setances?

What interests me, is not the acting morally within the group but the way that people justify acting immorally to people who are not in the group, or who are on the margins of the group. People either try and bring more ordinary people who are doing something different (eg unicyling) back into the group (“where’s your other wheel” could be translated as “get back on your bike like the rest of us, you’re doing something different and that’s making me feel uncomfortab”). Or may subject people to abuse just for being different (racial insults etc).

Most interesting of all is the way that some sets of people are demonised in order to make the rest of us feel good and clean and pure (and ofcourse justified in our demonising). Take Paedofiles for instance. The press and public tend to behave as if they were some abhorent monsters from hell, rather than an extreme of society’s behaviour (anyone who doubts this should take a look at page 3 of the Sun in the UK and then tell me honsetly that the public does not consider the adolescent female to be the ideal of female beauty. Pictures of naked pregnant women are reacted to with horror sometimes, as if we should be ashamed of showing bodies that are grown up enough to be producing thier own children). So having happily socially constructed the paedofile to carry all the horror and shame of lust for young children, the general public can happily get on with sexually abusing thier own children behind closed doors, as they always have.

Moral grammar, what moral grammar? Having moral grammar hardwired into neural circuitary seems such a NICE theory.

You could look at the trolley problem that way too. When pulling a lever it is easier not to identify with the person who is run over. If you have to push someone you’re up close and possibly have to look them in the eye.

If you get Freudian about it*, nudity/sex and motherhood doesn’t go together. The subconsions gets confused about which category to put the woman in. Poor confused subconsious mind.

You make it sound like such normal behavior. Ìt’s hard, and very uncomfortable, to imagine that it’s something the general public happily does.

Why couldn’t it be true, the same way we’re hardwired for language? We don’t get it automaticly, but the neural circuitary is there.

*) I know I’m talking to a psychologist, who probably knows better, but this is how I heard it.

Interesting (you see I’m trying to sound like a psychologist now, not just someone who has opinions) that those two points come together as it is widely thought that Freud identified many cases of child sexual abuse in his clients and claimed that it was more common than enyone had realised. Later, under pressure from the outraged general public, he retracted and declaired that his clients had actually been fantasizing. Back it went into secrecy and many a life was wrecked. It is only recently that people have become more open about it again.

I was obviously being a bit flowery with my language. However, unfortunately, child sexual abuse IS more common than people feel comfortable admitting. For example, I live in a really quiet rural area. The biggest city is 40 miles away, in England. Recently it was uncovered that a guy had been selling his 13 year old daughter for sex at a local beach. Over 40 men were arrested who had been filmed having sex with this girl. These men were just our ordinary neighbours.

(By the way, about being a psychologist, I look at it like this. We are all psychologists, students of other people’s behaviour. I just get paid for doing stuff related to other people’s emotions/behaviour. Everyone analyses other people all the time, Psychologists just may (or may not) have different tools/points of view to do this with). A lot of the things I say and believe are probably rubbish.

However I do know 2 things for definate:

  1. Sometimes people are not as nice to each other as I would like them to be.
  2. Child Sexual Abuse is both more common than people realise and more common than people feel comfortable with.

statistics about criminal behaviour may cast doubts on this assertion: more crimes or “unsocial” behaviour are carried out in your small subgroup!
strange!

Ah, but you are an outsider, seeking to define that subgroup. The subgroup you see is something like “the low paid low status population of that particular estate.” The subgroup with which the criminal identifies may be, “My family, but not my sister, because I always hated her,” or “Me and my mates Dave and Baz.” Young disadvantaged men form gangs, sometimes of thre or four people, sometimes larger. The worst crime - sometimes punishable by death - is to betray the gang.

  1. People look out for themselves.
  2. People form groups for mutual support.
  3. The first basis of all morality is not to let down the group.
  4. As the groups gets bigger, people form small sub-groups within the group for mutual support.
  5. Moral dilemmas arise when someone has to choose between his loyalty to two or more sub-groups.

Mike, you suggest in one post that the basis for morality is protection from a dangerous and hostile environment. That stands in opposition to the hypothesis of the article in that it suggest and environmental origin for morality. The rest of what you say, including the list above, seems to be a scheme for prioritizing moral decisions, not an argument against an innate basis for morality. The same scheme is not inconsistent with morality as an innate characteristic.

[LIST=1]

  • Morality relates to how society judges behaviour.
  • It is a subjective concept.
  • Behaviour itself is objective, and a proper study for scientists.
  • Human behaviour patterns are to some extent hard wired, as is the case with all species.
  • The subjective judgement and assessment of that behaviour is culturally based which is why some actions are seen as virtuous in some societies, but immoral in others. [/LIST]
  • undistorted by emotion or personal bias; based on observable phenomena; "an objective

    objective: undistorted by emotion or personal bias; based on observable phenomena; “an objective appraisal”; “objective evidence”

    #1 - 3 are inaccurate. #4 woiuld be but for the “to some extent”, which makes many statements accurate.

    #5 The * judgement and assessment of that behaviour is culturally based which is why some actions, like unicycling, are seen as virtuous in some societies, but immoral in others.

    Worse, MikeFule suggests LOYALTY conflicts are MORAL conflicts, and MORALITY is self -interest.

    –Morality relates to how I judge behaviour.
    –It is objective – I have operationally-defined the concept.
    –Behaviour itself is never undistorted by emotion or personal bias, therefore never objective. Nevertheless, it may be a proper study for scientists and ethicists and unicyclists!

    1. Morality related to how society constructs behaviour - and we can all believe 2 opposing things at the same time.
    2. Everything is subjective.
    3. Behaviour is a reductionist study for scientitists (people)
    4. mmmm
    5. Not culturally based, culturally constructed.
    6. It’s good to have you back.

    WHAT’s good to have you back??

    oops, just thinking out loud. Totally out of context. Sorry.

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