NUC

I just wanted to congratulate the Toronto Unicylclists for that fantastic
NUC week. Great job and organization, I had never been to such an event
and believe me I’ll be there next time !

Great people, great trial course and lots of fun !

Thank you !

Oli-

opaugamATaptilonDOTcom !

> I just wanted to congratulate the Toronto Unicylclists for that
> fantastic NUC week. Great job and organization, I had never been to such
> an event and believe me I’ll be there next time !

Hear hear! I’m just back from my extended trip, and haven’t read through
my whole inbox yet, but I would like to add my thanks and congratulations.

The Toronto Unicyclists accomplished a number of firsts and well-done’s at
their convention:

  • Longest USA convention ever (I’m pretty sure)

  • Most events ever held at a USA convention

  • Most convention-like convention (more to do for non-competitors!)

  • Most MUni events ever

  • First car ever provided for unicyclist to jump on

  • First USA convention held outside the USA!

  • Best public show ever held in a gym

  • Most unicyclists highest above the ground ever (CN Tower)

  • Successful city tour, despite narrow and crowded sidewalks

  • Very popular and fun NUC Games night

  • Pool at the Travelodge open late enough for the unicyclists to
    actually use it

  • First time for USA’s new Freestyle competition format

The list goes on and on, but I can’t. I still have a bursting inbox, and
work to get caught up on. Many thanks to the hard-working, small group of
Toronto Unicyclists who made this event possible. Thanks also to the many
volunteers who led workshops or otherwise pitched in to make this
convention work.

Missed this great convention? Too bad, that’s what you get for not going.
But next year will be another major one. Even bigger, with NUC and UNICON
back to back. Don’t miss it!

Stay on top, John Foss
President, Unicycling Society of America
President, International Unicycling Federation
jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

John Foss wrote…

I share your excitement about the good time everyone had at this
convention.

>- First USA convention held outside the USA!

This is a very interesting contradiction – the next thing you know we’ll
have the Pakistan National Convention held in Argentina :slight_smile:

Regards, Jack Halpern President, The CJK Dictionary Institute, Inc.
http://www.cjk.org Phone: +81-48-473-3508

The first USA, as in Unicycling Society of America.
The second USA, as in United States of America.

Yup, it was a fantastic convention. Thank-you to everyone in Toronto who
put it together. I had a blast. The best part was all the muni :slight_smile: The
worst part was a lack of pubs in the area with dark beer :frowning:

And now I get to answer yes to one more question on the unicycle fanatic
test for going to another country to ride with others.

I can’t wait till next year… john_childs

>From: John Foss <john_foss@asinet.com>
>
> > I just wanted to congratulate the Toronto Unicylclists for that
> > fantastic NUC week. Great job and organization, I had never been to
> > such an event and believe me I’ll be there next time !
>
>Hear hear! I’m just back from my extended trip, and haven’t read through
>my whole inbox yet, but I would like to add my thanks and
>congratulations.


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>- First car ever provided for unicyclist to jump on
>
Sorry but I’ve got to contradict that one. There was one at Eurocycle two
years ago in Denmark that Arne and a couple of two wheeled guys put a few
nice dents in.

Jon

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I hope we will see Arne, Kris and Dan together some time, it is going to
be very interesting! I hope Arne can get across to Washington next year.

Roger

                     The UK's Unicycle Source
                   <a href="http://www.unicycle.uk.com/">http://www.unicycle.uk.com/</a>

----- Original Message ----- From: “Jonathan Marshall”
<unistuff@jbmarshl.demon.co.uk> To: <unicycling@winternet.com> Sent:
Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:32 PM Subject: Re: NUC

> >
> >- First car ever provided for unicyclist to jump on
> >
> Sorry but I’ve got to contradict that one. There was one at Eurocycle
> two years ago in Denmark that Arne and a couple of two wheeled guys put
> a few nice dents in.
>
> Jon
>

> Jonathan Marshall /| O O/ /|\ /| /|\ __/| / |\ LUNIs Unicycle
> Hockey Club /| >>\ << |\ / E-mail rocket@jbmarshl.demon.co.uk /_| 0 _ o
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I hope we will see Arne, Kris and Dan together some time, it is going to
be very interesting! I hope Arne can get across to Washington next year.

Roger

                     The UK's Unicycle Source
                   <a href="http://www.unicycle.uk.com/">http://www.unicycle.uk.com/</a>

----- Original Message ----- From: “Jonathan Marshall”
<unistuff@jbmarshl.demon.co.uk> To: <unicycling@winternet.com> Sent:
Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:32 PM Subject: Re: NUC

> >
> >- First car ever provided for unicyclist to jump on
> >
> Sorry but I’ve got to contradict that one. There was one at Eurocycle
> two years ago in Denmark that Arne and a couple of two wheeled guys put
> a few nice dents in.
>
> Jon
>

> Jonathan Marshall /| O O/ /|\ /| /|\ __/| / |\ LUNIs Unicycle
> Hockey Club /| >>\ << |\ / E-mail rocket@jbmarshl.demon.co.uk /_| 0 _ o
> 0 |_/ Web www.jbmarshl.demon.co.uk

Greetings

In message “Re: NUC”, Gilby wrote…
>
>
>The first USA, as in Unicycling Society of America. The second USA, as
>in United States of America.

Of course I know that. I still think it’s weird, though I am very happy
that the convebntion went well and I am sure ot will have a positive
effect on unicycling in Canada.

>Jack Halpern wrote:
> > John Foss wrote…
> > >- First USA convention held outside the USA!
> > This is a very interesting contradiction – the next thing you know
> > we’ll have the Pakistan National Convention held in Argentina :slight_smile:
>
>
>–
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>

Regards, Jack Halpern President, The CJK Dictionary Institute, Inc.
http://www.cjk.org Phone: +81-48-473-3508

Out of interest, how did the debate conclude about the U.S. Nationals
becoming the North American Championships, and USA becoming a North
American Association? (I’m not sure if the latter was even up for debate)

-Kris — Gilby <forum.member@unicyclist.com> wrote:
>
>
> The first USA, as in Unicycling Society of America. The second USA, as
> in United States of America.
>
>
> Jack Halpern wrote:
> > John Foss wrote…
> > >- First USA convention held outside the USA!
> > This is a very interesting contradiction – the next thing you know
> > we’ll have the Pakistan National Convention held in Argentina :slight_smile:
>
>
> –
> Posted via the Unicyclist Community - http://unicyclist.com/forums


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> >- First car ever provided for unicyclist to jump on
> >
> Sorry but I’ve got to contradict that one. There was one at Eurocycle
> two years ago in Denmark that Arne and a couple of two wheeled guys put
> a few nice dents in.

Wow. But was that an “official” unicycleable car, or did Arne and friends
just take out their aggression on an unsuspecting motorist? :slight_smile:

John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone jfoss@unicycling.com www.unicycling.com

“We’re fat . . . and old!” – Ken Krakat, on seeing me for the first time
in over 10 years, along with other former Redford unicyclist Hans Mills

John Foss <john_foss@asinet.com> wrote:

> Wow. But was that an “official” unicycleable car, or did Arne and
> friends just take out their aggression on an unsuspecting motorist? :slight_smile:

Oh yes, very offical, part of the show I believe!

The two wheelers started but they gave up as the crowd started to chant
Arnes name. He ( bless him) accepted the challenge with no pratice time
and wowed the crowd.

We didn’t manage a car this year, but Julien Monney opened the show with
a display in the Basketball gym that dropped plenty of jaws. Later the
same evening Arne high Jumped 85cm , so we had a pretty cool saturday
night! sarah

Euro-cycle 2001 Results coming soon http://www.eurocycle.org

Kris Holm wrote:

> Out of interest, how did the debate conclude about the U.S. Nationals
> becoming the North American Championships,

Here’s where we are at the moment.

The USA has always welcomed international participation at its
conventions. In the past I can think of only one convention where full
participation was not embraced. In 1989, the year after a strong UNICON in
Puerto Rico, some people were concerned about non-US riders (namely from
PR that year) taking “national” titles from US riders. So in every event
where a non-US person won, there were two sets of “first place,” a “first
place USA” and “first place overall.” Something like that. Very confusing
and unsatisfying. We only did it one year. Plus all of this ignored the
fact that everyone in Puerto Rico is a US citizen.

In general, if riders came from outside the USA and won, I thought of it
as something for the rest of us to learn from. As for national titles,
they could be flexible as well. Back in the days when I counted titles, I
included 1984 as a year when I was the “national Freestyle champion,” even
though Peter Rosendahl (Sweden) came in first and I was second. I was the
highest placing rider in the nation.

But other factors have come into the mix:

  1. Insurance. The USA’s liability policy only covers residents of North
    America. Technically, this means we should not let anyone from outside
    NA set foot into one of our conventions. But this is not realistic.
    More realistically, we should only allow NA residents to participate in
    competitive events.

  2. Next year’s NUC will be back-to-back with UNICON 11. What’s to stop all
    the riders of the world from using NUC as a practice session for
    UNICON? That’s not what we had in mind for our nationals, so a ruling
    of some kind is needed.

So the USA executive board is working on a proposal to limit participation
in USA competitive events to residents of North America only. This would
effectively “officialize” the USA NUC as a North American championships.
But whether we want to change the name of it is a separate issue.

Then, if the 2002 NUC has a thousand international unicyclists cheering on
the North American riders from the sidelines, that will be great.

> and USA becoming a North American Association? (I’m not sure if the
> latter was even up for debate)

It wasn’t, but there was talk about it during the past year, as it was
obvious the 2001 NUC would be more than just a USA nationals. The USA is
by definition a United States organization. The only reason it makes sense
for us to branch out to the rest of North America is because nobody else
here has a national unicycling organization.

But, all of North America does not speak English. Though Spanish and
French would cover almost all of it, I don’t think this is something the
USA wants to get into. Instead, we have always opened our membership to
anyone from anywhere, and we’re happy when English speaking people can
read and share our newsletter around the world.

The USA’s corporate goals statement (http://www.unicycling.org/usa/about/)
contains the words “of the country” and “throughout the country” and
though our name is somewhat generic, it was definitely intended to cover
the United States. Back in 1973 when Bill Jenack and the original group of
members envisioned it, the USA was plenty big on its own, and
international stuff was surely not considered at that time.

But then in 1984 the International Unicycling Federation came along. It
wants unicycling to be in the Olympics. For this to happen, you need a
lot of countries participating in the sport in a coordinated way. For
this to work, you need national unicycling organizations in as many
countries as possible.

So in my humble opinion, the USA should stay USA-based, while Canada and
other countries should set up national unicycling organizations of their
own. The IUF is currently working on a system for linking all of these
organizations together into an international structure of representation
to communicate with each other and the IUF.

If people feel there is a need, a separate North American unicycling
organization could be set up. I would rather see separate ones for Canada,
Puerto Rico, and every other nation that likes to be counted separately in
international competition.

Meanwhile, the USA’s NUC will continue to be an event for all the riders
of North America, whether or not the event title says so. I’d be happy
with an event name that includes both, something like “National Unicycling
Convention and North American Championships.” But I still like “Nationals”
or NUC as a short name for us to use amongst ourselves.

NOTE: all of the above represents my individual opinion, and not
necessarily that of the Unicycling Society of America or
International Unicycling Federation. If you have an opinion on this
subject, we’d like to hear from you!

Stay on top, John Foss President, Unicycling Society of America President,
International Unicycling Federation jfoss@unicycling.com
www.unicycling.com

I think what this boils down to is that “you have to draw the line
somewhere.” Without rules, policies, and definitions, you have an
ambiguous organization. Makes sense.

While exclusion of non-US citizens from NUC competition might discourage
whole teams from showing up to cheer at the sidelines, I think that many
of the hardcore fanatics from other countries might just show up to hang
out and have fun, regardless. If I hadn’t competed at NUC, I would have
still had a blast. There’s lot’s to do at these meets - competition is
only one of many facets of a meet. Joe Merrill

In a message dated Wed, 1 Aug 2001 8:15:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, John
Foss <john_foss@asinet.com> writes:

> Kris Holm wrote:
>
> > Out of interest, how did the debate conclude about the U.S. Nationals
> > becoming the North American Championships,
>
> Here’s where we are at the moment.
>
> The USA has always welcomed international participation at its
> conventions. In the past I can think of only one convention where full
> participation was not embraced. In 1989, the year after a strong UNICON
> in Puerto Rico, some people were concerned about non-US riders (namely
> from PR that year) taking “national” titles from US riders. So in every
> event where a non-US person won, there were two sets of “first place,” a
> “first place USA” and “first place overall.” Something like that. Very
> confusing and unsatisfying. We only did it one year. Plus all of this
> ignored the fact that everyone in Puerto Rico is a US citizen.
>
> In general, if riders came from outside the USA and won, I thought of it
> as something for the rest of us to learn from. As for national titles,
> they could be flexible as well. Back in the days when I counted titles,
> I included 1984 as a year when I was the “national Freestyle champion,”
> even though Peter Rosendahl (Sweden) came in first and I was second. I
> was the highest placing rider in the nation.
>
> But other factors have come into the mix:
>
> 1. Insurance. The USA’s liability policy only covers residents of North
> America. Technically, this means we should not let anyone from
> outside NA set foot into one of our conventions. But this is not
> realistic. More realistically, we should only allow NA residents to
> participate in competitive events.
>
> 2. Next year’s NUC will be back-to-back with UNICON 11. What’s to stop
> all the riders of the world from using NUC as a practice session for
> UNICON? That’s not what we had in mind for our nationals, so a ruling
> of some kind is needed.
>
> So the USA executive board is working on a proposal to limit
> participation in USA competitive events to residents of North America
> only. This would effectively “officialize” the USA NUC as a North
> American championships. But whether we want to change the name of it is
> a separate issue.
>
> Then, if the 2002 NUC has a thousand international unicyclists cheering
> on the North American riders from the sidelines, that will be great.
>
> > and USA becoming a North American Association? (I’m not sure if the
> > latter was even up for debate)
>
> It wasn’t, but there was talk about it during the past year, as it was
> obvious the 2001 NUC would be more than just a USA nationals. The USA is
> by definition a United States organization. The only reason it makes
> sense for us to branch out to the rest of North America is because
> nobody else here has a national unicycling organization.
>
> But, all of North America does not speak English. Though Spanish and
> French would cover almost all of it, I don’t think this is something the
> USA wants to get into. Instead, we have always opened our membership to
> anyone from anywhere, and we’re happy when English speaking people can
> read and share our newsletter around the world.
>
> The USA’s corporate goals statement
> (http://www.unicycling.org/usa/about/) contains the words "of the
> country" and “throughout the country” and though our name is somewhat
> generic, it was definitely intended to cover the United States. Back in
> 1973 when Bill Jenack and the original group of members envisioned it,
> the USA was plenty big on its own, and international stuff was surely
> not considered at that time.
>
> But then in 1984 the International Unicycling Federation came along. It
> wants unicycling to be in the Olympics. For this to happen, you need a
> lot of countries participating in the sport in a coordinated way. For
> this to work, you need national unicycling organizations in as many
> countries as possible.
>
> So in my humble opinion, the USA should stay USA-based, while Canada and
> other countries should set up national unicycling organizations of their
> own. The IUF is currently working on a system for linking all of these
> organizations together into an international structure of representation
> to communicate with each other and the IUF.
>
> If people feel there is a need, a separate North American unicycling
> organization could be set up. I would rather see separate ones for
> Canada, Puerto Rico, and every other nation that likes to be counted
> separately in international competition.
>
> Meanwhile, the USA’s NUC will continue to be an event for all the riders
> of North America, whether or not the event title says so. I’d be happy
> with an event name that includes both, something like "National
> Unicycling Convention and North American Championships." But I still
> like “Nationals” or NUC as a short name for us to use amongst ourselves.
>
> NOTE: all of the above represents my individual opinion, and not
> necessarily that of the Unicycling Society of America or
> International Unicycling Federation. If you have an opinion on
> this subject, we’d like to hear from you!
>
> Stay on top, John Foss President, Unicycling Society of America
> President, International Unicycling Federation jfoss@unicycling.com
> www.unicycling.com