No N4 test allowed

One of my students today refused any test with N4.
He told that he as IT chief of his company does not
wish, that this shit is installed on any computer in
his company.

He wanted several layout changes.

Out of curriosity, I tested at home his new site.

What a surprise, the whole site is a natural N4 killer :slight_smile:

So everybody trying to reach the site with N4 crashes :slight_smile:

Maybe the only method to persuade the last 4% :slight_smile:


Roland Mösl
http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: No N4 test allowed

Or perhaps he’ll just receive 4% less business. I know I’m not going to
trade my N4 for any of the mainstream, code-bloated alternatives to view
his site.

Re: No N4 test allowed

“Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
news:3C98FE69.CF413FC6@stitchandprint.com
> Or perhaps he’ll just receive 4% less business. I know I’m not going to
> trade my N4 for any of the mainstream, code-bloated alternatives to view
> his site.

You will, when 90% of the web sites will crash N4 :slight_smile:

Any unchecked web site has a good chance to develop
to a natural N4 killer.

You are a surpise, I did not expect in 2002 any
hard core Netscapiot here.


Roland Mösl
http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: No N4 test allowed

Yes, I’m sure I’ll have to change eventually, but for the time being N4 takes
less resources, loads faster, and accesses the vast majority of websites just
fine. If something better comes along, I’ll switch, but in the meantime, you
M$IElitists will just have to deal with us ‘Netscapiots’ :stuck_out_tongue:

Roland Mösl wrote:

> “Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
> news:3C98FE69.CF413FC6@stitchandprint.com
> > Or perhaps he’ll just receive 4% less business. I know I’m not going to
> > trade my N4 for any of the mainstream, code-bloated alternatives to view
> > his site.
>
> You will, when 90% of the web sites will crash N4 :slight_smile:
>
> Any unchecked web site has a good chance to develop
> to a natural N4 killer.
>
> You are a surpise, I did not expect in 2002 any
> hard core Netscapiot here.
>
> –
> Roland Mösl
> http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
> http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: No N4 test allowed

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:13:30 -0500, Roland_Mösl wrote
(in message <a7aunu$huq$1@www.t-shirtcountdown.com>):

> One of my students today refused any test with N4.
> He told that he as IT chief of his company does not
> wish, that this shit is installed on any computer in
> his company.

Be glad your student does not work for me, I don’t work with close minded
people.
Considering he is as you say a “student” and he refuses to do as his “boss”
wants, i wonder when he will get his pink slip.


Scott Singletary

Scott’s Buttons- http://www.sesraw.com/
Custom made pin back or magnet back buttons for all occasions.
We specialize in buttons with your pictures on them.

Re: No N4 test allowed

4% use netscape?! Hmm… I think it’s a lot more than that. My site
looks the SAME in netscape (meaning it’s a fair statistic) and I get
about 15 - 20% netscape.

Roland M=F6sl wrote:
> =

> One of my students today refused any test with N4.
> He told that he as IT chief of his company does not
> wish, that this shit is installed on any computer in
> his company.
> =

> He wanted several layout changes.
> =

> Out of curriosity, I tested at home his new site.
> =

> What a surprise, the whole site is a natural N4 killer :slight_smile:
> =

> So everybody trying to reach the site with N4 crashes :slight_smile:
> =

> Maybe the only method to persuade the last 4% :slight_smile:
> =

> –
> Roland M=F6sl
> http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
> http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine

– =

Jay Tierney – jay@jaytierney.com

“He told them to look not at the facts, but at the meaning
of the facts. Then he said the facts had no meaning.”

  • The Man Who Wasn’t There (2001)

Re: No N4 test allowed

Try Opera. I think you’ll be impressed. Its very fast and does not use up
nearly as much ram as IE and it complies with most standards.

It has so many keyboard commands, mouse gestures and other features that I
am constantly finding new stuff.

-Sean

“Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
news:3C990599.2471E66E@stitchandprint.com
> Yes, I’m sure I’ll have to change eventually, but for the time being N4
takes
> less resources, loads faster, and accesses the vast majority of websites
just
> fine. If something better comes along, I’ll switch, but in the meantime,
you
> M$IElitists will just have to deal with us ‘Netscapiots’ :stuck_out_tongue:
>
> Roland Mösl wrote:
>
> > “Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
> > news:3C98FE69.CF413FC6@stitchandprint.com…[color=darkred]
> > > Or perhaps he’ll just receive 4% less business. I know I’m not going[/color]
to[color=darkred]
> > > trade my N4 for any of the mainstream, code-bloated alternatives to[/color]
view[color=darkred]
> > > his site.
> >
> > You will, when 90% of the web sites will crash N4 :slight_smile:
> >
> > Any unchecked web site has a good chance to develop
> > to a natural N4 killer.
> >
> > You are a surpise, I did not expect in 2002 any
> > hard core Netscapiot here.
> >
> > –
> > Roland Mösl
> > http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
> > http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine
>
>
>[/color]

Re: No N4 test allowed

I use Mac Netscape 4.79 for most of my online surfing.

":^) ®

Roland Mösl wrote:
>
> “Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
> news:3C98FE69.CF413FC6@stitchandprint.com
> > Or perhaps he’ll just receive 4% less business. I know I’m not going to
> > trade my N4 for any of the mainstream, code-bloated alternatives to view
> > his site.
>
> You will, when 90% of the web sites will crash N4 :slight_smile:
>
> Any unchecked web site has a good chance to develop
> to a natural N4 killer.
>
> You are a surpise, I did not expect in 2002 any
> hard core Netscapiot here.
>
> –
> Roland Mösl
> http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
> http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine


Mike

• Logo Design •
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

Re: No N4 test allowed

Thanks, I’ll give it a shot.

“Sean S.” wrote:

> Try Opera. I think you’ll be impressed. Its very fast and does not use up
> nearly as much ram as IE and it complies with most standards.
>
> It has so many keyboard commands, mouse gestures and other features that I
> am constantly finding new stuff.
>
> www.opera.com
>
> -Sean
>
> “Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
> news:3C990599.2471E66E@stitchandprint.com
> > Yes, I’m sure I’ll have to change eventually, but for the time being N4
> takes
> > less resources, loads faster, and accesses the vast majority of websites
> just
> > fine. If something better comes along, I’ll switch, but in the meantime,
> you
> > M$IElitists will just have to deal with us ‘Netscapiots’ :stuck_out_tongue:
> >
> > Roland Mösl wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > “Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3C98FE69.CF413FC6@stitchandprint.com
> > > > Or perhaps he’ll just receive 4% less business. I know I’m not going
> to
> > > > trade my N4 for any of the mainstream, code-bloated alternatives to
> view
> > > > his site.
> > >
> > > You will, when 90% of the web sites will crash N4 :slight_smile:
> > >
> > > Any unchecked web site has a good chance to develop
> > > to a natural N4 killer.
> > >
> > > You are a surpise, I did not expect in 2002 any
> > > hard core Netscapiot here.
> > >
> > > –
> > > Roland Mösl
> > > http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
> > > http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine
> >
> >
> >[/color]

Re: No N4 test allowed

“Scott Singletary” <Buttons@sesraw.com> wrote in message
news:01HW.B8BE731000043BF00C5759F0@www.darklock.com
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:13:30 -0500, Roland_Mösl wrote
> (in message <a7aunu$huq$1@www.t-shirtcountdown.com>):
>
> > One of my students today refused any test with N4.
> > He told that he as IT chief of his company does not
> > wish, that this shit is installed on any computer in
> > his company.
>
> Be glad your student does not work for me, I don’t work with close minded
> people.

Be happy, You work not for him.
He thinks wasting development time for a strange minded
4% minority is a waste of working time and is seen like
surfing to porno sites during working time.

You could get fired for searching 1 hour for the reason
why N4 crashes on this site.


Roland Mösl
http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: No N4 test allowed

“Jay Tierney” <jay@jaytierney.com> wrote in message
news:3C99092F.AD59371B@jaytierney.com
>4% use netscape?! Hmm… I think it’s a lot more than that. My site
>looks the SAME in netscape (meaning it’s a fair statistic) and I get
>about 15 - 20% netscape.

Even a German solar energy site making 1999 the designer desperate
for 50% N4 is now down to 6% N4


Roland Mösl
http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: No N4 test allowed

wait, why would the head of IT be firing programmers?

“Roland Mösl” <founder@pege.org> wrote in message
news:a7bv56$eqd$1@www.t-shirtcountdown.com
> “Scott Singletary” <Buttons@sesraw.com> wrote in message
> news:01HW.B8BE731000043BF00C5759F0@www.darklock.com
> > On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:13:30 -0500, Roland_Mösl wrote
> > (in message <a7aunu$huq$1@www.t-shirtcountdown.com>):
> >[color=darkred]
> > > One of my students today refused any test with N4.
> > > He told that he as IT chief of his company does not
> > > wish, that this shit is installed on any computer in
> > > his company.
> >
> > Be glad your student does not work for me, I don’t work with close[/color]
minded
> > people.
>
> Be happy, You work not for him.
> He thinks wasting development time for a strange minded
> 4% minority is a waste of working time and is seen like
> surfing to porno sites during working time.
>
> You could get fired for searching 1 hour for the reason
> why N4 crashes on this site.
>
>
> –
> Roland Mösl
> http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
> http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine
>

Re: No N4 test allowed

“Tony Ranieri” <tony@woogu.com> wrote in message
news:a7c0ud$hs4$1@www.t-shirtcountdown.com
> wait, why would the head of IT be firing programmers?

For wasting time for sensless searching the reason
why the the bug monster N4 crashes.


Roland Mösl
http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: No N4 test allowed

Try it yet? :slight_smile: What do you think?

-Sean

“Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
news:3C9916BC.7A9833D8@stitchandprint.com
> Thanks, I’ll give it a shot.
>
>
> “Sean S.” wrote:
>
> > Try Opera. I think you’ll be impressed. Its very fast and does not use
up
> > nearly as much ram as IE and it complies with most standards.
> >
> > It has so many keyboard commands, mouse gestures and other features that
I
> > am constantly finding new stuff.
> >
> > www.opera.com
> >
> > -Sean
> >
> > “Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
> > news:3C990599.2471E66E@stitchandprint.com…[color=darkred]
> > > Yes, I’m sure I’ll have to change eventually, but for the time being[/color]
N4
> > takes[color=darkred]
> > > less resources, loads faster, and accesses the vast majority of[/color]
websites
> > just[color=darkred]
> > > fine. If something better comes along, I’ll switch, but in the[/color]
meantime,
> > you[color=darkred]
> > > M$IElitists will just have to deal with us ‘Netscapiots’ :stuck_out_tongue:
> > >
> > > Roland Mösl wrote:
> > >
> > > > “Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3C98FE69.CF413FC6@stitchandprint.com
> > > > > Or perhaps he’ll just receive 4% less business. I know I’m not[/color]
going
> > to[color=darkred]
> > > > > trade my N4 for any of the mainstream, code-bloated alternatives[/color]
to
> > view[color=darkred]
> > > > > his site.
> > > >
> > > > You will, when 90% of the web sites will crash N4 :slight_smile:
> > > >
> > > > Any unchecked web site has a good chance to develop
> > > > to a natural N4 killer.
> > > >
> > > > You are a surpise, I did not expect in 2002 any
> > > > hard core Netscapiot here.
> > > >
> > > > –
> > > > Roland Mösl
> > > > http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
> > > > http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine
> > >
> > >
> > >
>[/color]

Re: No N4 test allowed

“Sean S.” <no@email.here> wrote in message
news:a7cj2m$quq$1@www.darklock.com
> Try it yet? :slight_smile: What do you think?

No, he will start to try an other browser, when more than
50% of all web sites crash his N4


Roland Mösl
http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: No N4 test allowed

Roland Mösl wrote:
>
> “Tony Ranieri” <tony@woogu.com> wrote in message
> news:a7c0ud$hs4$1@www.t-shirtcountdown.com
> > wait, why would the head of IT be firing programmers?
>
> For wasting time for sensless searching the reason
> why the the bug monster N4 crashes.

Duh, he means on what world would the head of IT be allowed to fire
programmers?

Re: No N4 test allowed

“Roland Mösl” <founder@pege.org> wrote
> One of my students…

Does the phrase “The blind leading the blind” mean anything to you?

Jtk

Re: No N4 test allowed

“Jtk” <james@d2interactive.com> wrote in message
news:a7ctq4$6ef$1@www.darklock.com
>
> “Roland Mösl” <founder@pege.org> wrote
> > One of my students…
>
> Does the phrase “The blind leading the blind” mean anything to you?

Yes, shure.

I have asked at Salzburg university and other institutions which claim
to teach web design. They had been so clueless


Roland Mösl
http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: No N4 test allowed

“Shena Delian O’Brien” <shenacat@forget-spam.com> wrote in message
news:3C99F2B6.E803DF60@darklock.com
> Roland Mösl wrote:
> >
> > “Tony Ranieri” <tony@woogu.com> wrote in message
> > news:a7c0ud$hs4$1@www.t-shirtcountdown.com…[color=darkred]
> > > wait, why would the head of IT be firing programmers?
> >
> > For wasting time for sensless searching the reason
> > why the the bug monster N4 crashes.
>
> Duh, he means on what world would the head of IT be allowed to fire
> programmers?[/color]

He tells the chief of personal, that this dreamer waste
valuable working time by searching bugs in a prehistoric
software.


Roland Mösl
http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine

Re: No N4 test allowed

Pretty nice browser. I like the mouse gesture idea. It’ll take some getting
used to, but hey, what doesn’t? I wish you could make the buttom icon smaller
(or absent) the off toggle for the main toolbar is disabled in the free version.
The banner ads are a turn-off too. NS4 is free without banners. I could get
used to full screen mode (lacking in NS4), but I like having the URL field
visible.

Whoops just crashed on me… Some kind of javascript error while I was trying
the gestures out.

I’ll have to play with it for a while before I can pass judgement.

“Sean S.” wrote:

> Try it yet? :slight_smile: What do you think?
>
> -Sean
>
> “Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
> news:3C9916BC.7A9833D8@stitchandprint.com
> > Thanks, I’ll give it a shot.
> >
> >
> > “Sean S.” wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Try Opera. I think you’ll be impressed. Its very fast and does not use
> up
> > > nearly as much ram as IE and it complies with most standards.
> > >
> > > It has so many keyboard commands, mouse gestures and other features that
> I
> > > am constantly finding new stuff.
> > >
> > > www.opera.com
> > >
> > > -Sean
> > >
> > > “Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3C990599.2471E66E@stitchandprint.com
> > > > Yes, I’m sure I’ll have to change eventually, but for the time being
> N4
> > > takes
> > > > less resources, loads faster, and accesses the vast majority of
> websites
> > > just
> > > > fine. If something better comes along, I’ll switch, but in the
> meantime,
> > > you
> > > > M$IElitists will just have to deal with us ‘Netscapiots’ :stuck_out_tongue:
> > > >
> > > > Roland Mösl wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > “Bill” <bill@stitchandprint.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3C98FE69.CF413FC6@stitchandprint.com
> > > > > > Or perhaps he’ll just receive 4% less business. I know I’m not
> going
> > > to
> > > > > > trade my N4 for any of the mainstream, code-bloated alternatives
> to
> > > view
> > > > > > his site.
> > > > >
> > > > > You will, when 90% of the web sites will crash N4 :slight_smile:
> > > > >
> > > > > Any unchecked web site has a good chance to develop
> > > > > to a natural N4 killer.
> > > > >
> > > > > You are a surpise, I did not expect in 2002 any
> > > > > hard core Netscapiot here.
> > > > >
> > > > > –
> > > > > Roland Mösl
> > > > > http://pege.org Clear targets for a confused civilization
> > > > > http://BeingFound.com Web Design starts at the search engine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >[/color]