I memorized it to 100 
and then wrote the first 1001 digits on the board, but I’m just weird.
And for Microsoft Works I meant more along the lines of thinking of Microsoft as the OS Windows, not so much the specific appliction. In which case Microsoft Works doesn’t make sense.
Oh the joys of seeing the windows machines crash at epcot last summer 
The Microsoft OS works too, how do you think I’m posting on here? Linux?
It was that line that gave it away as fake.
As if religion has got anything to do with science.
T.
BAM!!
Maybe we have a different definition of “works”.
If you consider something “working” even if you have to deal with crashes, viruses, security issues, etc, then i guess the Microsoft OS does work…
I guess us mac users tend to forget everyone isn’t as fortunate as us
haha, but all of this might have been slight thread jacking 
Any average off the shelf car can crash, has security issues and breaks down ocassionally, I still consider it to work.
My point is that people bitch about microsoft as if it’s terrible, when 99% of the time it works fine. Yes it can be incredibly annoying sometimes but if it really preys on you that much you’re probably spending too much time on your computer.
Well said. Mac elitists who spend their time dissing Microsoft get on my nerves…Microsoft functions just fine.
Yes, because you, like every other insecure Mac elitist out there, can’t have a conversation about lightbulbs without bringing up why their OS is so much better than everyone else’s.
atleast he’s not bigging up linux
those people are far worse than mac users
True dat, kington. On the blenderartists.org off-topic forum, someone got suspended from posting for defending himself against an onslaught of Linux-loving Windows-bashers. It was quite a scene.
ok, this will be my last point cause i feel bad changing the topic away from pi…
but in the past 4 years has your computer crashed, had a virus, or froze?
How many times have you installed anti-virus software or firewalls?
My computer froze once… but I was running all the applications i could trying to see how hard i could push it. 
but yea, we just want a chance. people should give mac a try before hanging it out to dry. :o
In the past 20 some odd years that I’ve been using a home computer I have not once had a virus or any sort of malware. Most of those 20 some odd years have been using some flavor of a Microsoft OS.
If you’re not an idiot who runs warez, install random software from unknown sources, open unknown email attachments, or other such idiocy you are not likely to ever even see a virus or trojan or worm.
You can pretend that Windows is stuck in the days of Windows 95/98 or even Windows 3.1. Those systems could be unstable, especially if applications (or drivers) corrupted memory. I can pretend that Apple is stuck in the days of OS 9 and earlier. I can remember Mac OS being braindead (couldn’t multitask properly) and single applications could freeze the system.
The truth is that the NT line of Windows is stable, doesn’t crash randomly, and can recover from misbehaving applications. I’ve been running an NT flavor of Windows since 2000. The only time it crashes is because of bad drivers or failing hardware.
I can go for weeks without a reboot. Unfortunately many security updates require a reboot so it is difficult to go longer than that. That’s with me running developer tools, applications I write that crash or fault, applications or processes that hang. I can kill the offending program or application and Windows continues on. The OS doesn’t crash.
The last blue screen crash I had was because of a failing power supply. Can’t blame Windows for that.
The most recent security update I had to apply was for Apple Quicktime. There was a bug that could allow remote code execution. Affected both Windows and Mac. Apple isn’t perfect on the security front. They’ve had critical security vulnerabilities that can allow remote code execution for both Windows and Mac.
To keep this on topic, I once wrote a program to calculate multiple digits of PI. Wrote some routines that could do integer math to thousands of places. Then set it to work calculating PI. That’s a far more educational process than just memorizing digits of PI.
aka. step mother.
and im glad to see we have some math guys on here, I have a few problems I’ve been trying to solve but haven’t had any luck.
maybe i’ll post some, right after a little xbox. 
Unfortunately true. Most people are not security aware. They never think about the consequences of running code from sources they can’t trust or doing other idiotic things (from a security perspective).
It’s a bit of a legacy problem for Microsoft. The OS had home users always running as an administrator. They had full control to manage the system at all times. It was still possible to lock down a corporate machine where they have a domain controller, IT department and other infrastructure to lock down and manage Windows machines. But home users don’t have that and pretty much were (and are) forced to run as administrator if they don’t want to constantly jump through hoops.
I’m currently running XP (will switch to Vista soon). I have two accounts on the computer. A limited user account and an administrator account. It is difficult to run as a limited user. You can’t update software. You can’t adjust many OS settings. Some software doesn’t work correctly. You can’t debug programs properly. So I end up running as administrator most of the time.
Vista tries to fix that to some degree. But there are still applications that don’t behave properly. In time though, application programmers will learn how to write programs so they run properly in a limited user environment in Vista. Then things will be better.
But in the end you can’t protect home users from themselves. They have to be able to administer the OS configurations. They have to be able to install programs. If they want to do something stupid they are going to be able to. Even if they have to type in a password or click on an accept button they will continue to do the stupid things like run warez, and cracks, and keygens, special programs to view pr0n, or other stupid things.
Keeping a machine properly patched is also important. And Microsoft can do a better job with that. There needs to be a managed way of keeping track of all applications and available patches for all programs and drivers installed on the machine. Microsoft Update only handles the Microsoft programs. Programs like QuickTime, Firefox, and all other third party programs have to roll their own update management system. That is clumsy and it means that you can end up with a dozen or more update checking programs running in the background to check for updates from various vendors. Updates to things like Sun Java are just as important as Microsoft OS updates. There needs to be a central way of managing all that.
Memorizing PI to a dozen or more places doesn’t make you a math guy. Understanding the math and calculus to derive the equations to calculate PI does make you a math guy.
I used to understand all that math theory. But I haven’t used that type of math in over a decade. I still know the general ideas but the details are fleeting.
I ahvent had a virus in many months, probably over a year now. I have never had a security issue, nor does my comp crash. THe closest to that is if I stretch and my foot unplugs the pwer. lol
Both my dad and sister have a Mac, and their comps are always crashing, screen not turning on, keyboards not working.
I was referring to you as the math guy, not me.
I only know enough calculus to come up with problems I can’t figure out. Hopefully that will change after this year
John, I will always remember this post.
having been “born with UNIX” I am certainly not qualified to criticize other systems.
an operating system is a very complex piece of software so when it crashes I just try again.
John: my XP crashes every now and then and the I.T. people certify that it is virus free (last crash due to MSWord). I just accept my fate :o I send reports to Microsoft or software vendors.
now my critics:
so the big problem is culture: how to stop a tendency of software “I know better than you, you stupid user!”.
(note that I am refraining of citing examples on why MS office sucks)
what a waste of time…
instead of pointlessly memorizing pi to 100 digits, you could work on those calculus problems that you “can’t” solve…
or even better, you could unicycle…