New System - Probs

hi -

I got a new system today, it really screams:

P4 1.5Ghz 512mb RAM (not regular pc133 stuff but something much faster…
can’t remember exactly the name right now) IBM 60GB hd Asus GeForce3 ti200
video DVD player

that’s the good stuff.

Anyway the problem is this: it has trouble starting up. First the problem
happened that on boot on the initial screen it would not list the hard
drive and stop before the “hit f2 for bios settings” thing. Then it would
give an error and not work.

We thought there was something wrong with the cable from the hd to the
motherboard so we swapped it. Twice. Then it boot up fine so we were
like “yay”!

So… then we did an upgrade to the OS and shut down to reboot. Hit the
button and it completely froze, wouldn’t reboot at all (the check cable
notice was on my monitor and never went off… no signal from card).

So anyway more of this for a while until we figured out this:

  1. On reboot from shut down we need to turn the switch in the BACK off and
    back on as well, not just hit the button in front to restart.
  2. On restart (from windows) it will read the hard drive as dma 100
    or something instead of normally and error out before starting the
    OS (win2k)

So whenever we reboot we have to turn the switch off in the back and back
on again… then hit the switch in the front. Then it works fine.

No trouble while running.

Any suggestions? we think it’s the motherboard… or maybe needs a bios
upgrade… but intel’s website is bad and we can’t download the bios
upgrade (file not found, bad links etc.)

Help!!


Shena Delian O’Brien * http://www.darklock.com/shena/ The Graphics Kitty!

> 512mb RAM (not regular pc133 stuff but something much faster… can’t
> remember exactly the name right now)

Is it Rambus, or maybe DDR?


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Tom Bryant wrote:
>
> > 512mb RAM (not regular pc133 stuff but something much faster… can’t
> > remember exactly the name right now)
>
> Is it Rambus, or maybe DDR?

Like I said, I can’t remember. I’m not the one who bought it; a friend of
mine put the system together for me. Besides I’m pretty sure the RAM isn’t
the problem :slight_smile:


Shena Delian O’Brien * http://www.darklock.com/shena/ The Graphics Kitty!

I have this SAME EXACT PROBLEM. I replaced the motherboard, that didn’t
help. Removed the hard disks, that didn’t help. Turns out it’s a power
supply problem. I never replaced it, so I can’t truthfully say that’s the
answer to the problem.

-Mike K.

Shena Delian O’Brien wrote:
>
> hi -
>
> I got a new system today, it really screams:
>
> P4 1.5Ghz 512mb RAM (not regular pc133 stuff but something much
> faster… can’t remember exactly the name right now) IBM 60GB hd Asus
> GeForce3 ti200 video DVD player
>
> that’s the good stuff.
>
> Anyway the problem is this: it has trouble starting up. First the
> problem happened that on boot on the initial screen it would not list
> the hard drive and stop before the “hit f2 for bios settings” thing.
> Then it would give an error and not work.
>
> We thought there was something wrong with the cable from the hd to the
> motherboard so we swapped it. Twice. Then it boot up fine so we were
> like “yay”!
>
> So… then we did an upgrade to the OS and shut down to reboot. Hit the
> button and it completely froze, wouldn’t reboot at all (the check cable
> notice was on my monitor and never went off… no signal from card).
>
> So anyway more of this for a while until we figured out this:
>
> 1. On reboot from shut down we need to turn the switch in the BACK off
> and back on as well, not just hit the button in front to restart.
> 2. On restart (from windows) it will read the hard drive as dma 100 or
> something instead of normally and error out before starting the OS
> (win2k)
>
> So whenever we reboot we have to turn the switch off in the back and
> back on again… then hit the switch in the front. Then it works fine.
>
> No trouble while running.
>
> Any suggestions? we think it’s the motherboard… or maybe needs a bios
> upgrade… but intel’s website is bad and we can’t download the bios
> upgrade (file not found, bad links etc.)
>
> Help!!
>
> –
> Shena Delian O’Brien * http://www.darklock.com/shena/ The Graphics
> Kitty! * http://www.darklock.com/abstract/ Fantasy Age *
> http://www.fantasyage.com/

> hi -
>
> I got a new system today, it really screams:
>
> P4 1.5Ghz 512mb RAM (not regular pc133 stuff but something much
> faster… can’t remember exactly the name right now) IBM 60GB hd Asus
> GeForce3 ti200 video DVD player

Wow, I’m glad I’m not the only one that has gotten a new system (Well
almost all new system) and have it fail miserably on me. I bought a new
processro, motherboard, ram (DDR), cd-rw, video card and modem a couple
weeks ago… Put it in, fired it up, and it was fine… After a couple of
days the keyboard no longer worked, so I tried a USB keyboard and that
worked… Then the mouse started to jump all over and not work… So then I
tried a USB mouse and that worked… I figured weird, but whatever, I’m
happy with USB… Then about a week later the USB failed, along with all
other ports on it, so I definitely know its the motherboard. … Urrgghhh
and the manufacturer isn’t returning calls/emails…

-Aaron

Mike King wrote:
>
> I have this SAME EXACT PROBLEM. I replaced the motherboard, that didn’t
> help. Removed the hard disks, that didn’t help. Turns out it’s a power
> supply problem. I never replaced it, so I can’t truthfully say that’s
> the answer to the problem.

You know actually we got to a bios upgrade, and it solved half the
problem. We also realized that the first drive had wrong jumper settings
(was set as cable select!!).

Now the only problem is that on a warm boot it will think the first hard
drive is ultra dma 100, and insert a special line under the little found
drive notice that says so. That of course, is wrong, and results in a disk
read error.

Cold boot works fine however.

We checked bios and bios thinks we’re using 80 connector IDE cables, and
we’re using 40. So we’re going to replace with an 80 connector cable and
see if that works. I think it will solve the problem.


Shena Delian O’Brien * http://www.darklock.com/shena/ The Graphics Kitty!

See, mine’s fine on a warm boot, but not on a cold boot. I have everything
plugged into a power supply-type thing, like a multi-strip outlet, and I
turn that off when I’n not using the PC.

So I turn on that outlet, then hit the power button on the PC. It starts
up at the BIOS screen, and won’t fund any drives… just sits there
idling. I then have to turn the entire system off, including power strip,
and back on again and it works. But also, if I turn the strip outlet on
and let that sit for 10 seconds, I’d say that about 3/4 of the time it
boots up with no problem.

That’s why I think it’s a PS problem. Well, that and the fact that I
replaced the drives, RAM, and motherboard.

-Mike K.

Shena Delian O’Brien wrote:
>
> Mike King wrote:
> >
> > I have this SAME EXACT PROBLEM. I replaced the motherboard, that
> > didn’t help. Removed the hard disks, that didn’t help. Turns out it’s
> > a power supply problem. I never replaced it, so I can’t truthfully say
> > that’s the answer to the problem.
>
> You know actually we got to a bios upgrade, and it solved half the
> problem. We also realized that the first drive had wrong jumper settings
> (was set as cable select!!).
>
> Now the only problem is that on a warm boot it will think the first hard
> drive is ultra dma 100, and insert a special line under the little found
> drive notice that says so. That of course, is wrong, and results in a
> disk read error.
>
> Cold boot works fine however.
>
> We checked bios and bios thinks we’re using 80 connector IDE cables, and
> we’re using 40. So we’re going to replace with an 80 connector cable and
> see if that works. I think it will solve the problem.
>
> –
> Shena Delian O’Brien * http://www.darklock.com/shena/ The Graphics
> Kitty! * http://www.darklock.com/abstract/ Fantasy Age *
> http://www.fantasyage.com/

Mike King wrote:
>
> See, mine’s fine on a warm boot, but not on a cold boot. I have

Hrm.

> So I turn on that outlet, then hit the power button on the PC. It
> starts up at the BIOS screen, and won’t fund any drives… just sits
> there idling.

Mine would not even send signal to the video card. No screen would appear.
It would just idle. We read that it was a known bug in the version of bios
we had and that sometimes the computer would idle for up to 15 minutes
before boot. I never waited that long. :wink: Anyway the bios patch fixed
that problem…

> I then have to turn the entire system off, including power strip, and
> back on again and it works. But also, if I turn the strip outlet on and
> let that sit for 10 seconds, I’d say that about 3/4 of the time it boots
> up with no problem.
>
> That’s why I think it’s a PS problem. Well, that and the fact that I
> replaced the drives, RAM, and motherboard.

Well that’s about the only thing left, right? :wink:


Shena Delian O’Brien * http://www.darklock.com/shena/ The Graphics Kitty!

Mike King wrote:
>
> That’s why I think it’s a PS problem.

One way I know mine isn’t a problem is that I have intel active monitor
and it monitors, among other things, voltage… and mine is fine.


Shena Delian O’Brien * http://www.darklock.com/shena/ The Graphics Kitty!

Shena Delian O’Brien wrote:
>
> Mike King wrote:
> >
> > That’s why I think it’s a PS problem.
>
> One way I know mine isn’t a problem is that I have intel active monitor
> and it monitors, among other things, voltage… and mine is fine.

Well, what I think is happening is that I’m turing off power at the
strip outlet level. This causes no power to go into the PS even when
it’s off. Thus, there is no stored power in the PS when I boot the PC. I
think there’s probably a capacitor which SHOULD hold some voltage while
the system is off, in the PS, but it’s not doing so. Therefore, when I
plug it in, and wait a few seconds, the PS gets the voltage it needs,
then I can boot.

-Mike K.