# New products and activities (unicycle dealers, unicycle manufacturers)
**URL:** https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778
**Category:** Unicycles and Equipment
**Created:** [March 2, 2023, 11:58am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778 "2023-03-02T11:58:12Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@www.einradshop.ch](https://unicyclist.com/u/www.einradshop.ch)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2023, 7:42am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/22 "2023-04-21T07:42:57Z")
The weight is sensational. With this I could easily realize my Fatty under 5kg.
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### Author:  [@www.einradshop.ch](https://unicyclist.com/u/www.einradshop.ch)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2023, 7:45am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/23 "2023-04-21T07:45:10Z")
Once it goes into production and you have the ability to supply dealers at a price that gives them a margin let me know. I would be interested in a disc hub.
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### Author:  [@Maxence](https://unicyclist.com/u/Maxence)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2023, 8:06am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/24 "2023-04-21T08:06:41Z")
Where will they be produced?
I may be interested in a disc hub and a frame. I’d also be curious to see a titanium saddle base. Of course, this would depend on the final price - in particular, import duties.
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### Author:  [@hillin](https://unicyclist.com/u/hillin)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2023, 8:28am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/25 "2023-04-21T08:28:48Z")
They are produced in China.
Edit: I have to clarify that we made the saddle base for our own fun, it’s not planned for sale.
Edit 2: Removed the image to prevent further misconception.
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### Author:  [@Maxence](https://unicyclist.com/u/Maxence)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2023, 8:36am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/26 "2023-04-21T08:36:36Z")
That’s the S base, right? Any plan to make M and/or L bases? 🙂
BTW, I’m quite interested in the [Handle Saddle base/ISM Saddle assembly](https://unicyclist.com/t/handle-saddle-cushion-ideas/269772/44). Having a nice titanium base may be a great improvement there! Any plan to develop an easy-to-go titanium base for that usage? 😃
What’s the weight of those bases?
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### Author:  [@hillin](https://unicyclist.com/u/hillin)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2023, 8:44am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/27 "2023-04-21T08:44:33Z")
Yes, it’s for 20" unis, weighs at about 300g. Making larger variants is possible, but I guess there isn’t much demand.
We don’t have many plans yet. It’s possible to make a lot of things in titanium, but they are concepts to be proven (even if they’ve been done in other materials before) and still a long way to go to be called a _product_. In the meantime let’s see if we can make those hubs fly!
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### Author:  [@Maxence](https://unicyclist.com/u/Maxence)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2023, 8:48am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/28 "2023-04-21T08:48:56Z")
Sure! Sorry, I’m always a bit thrilled when there are new products around 😁
Good luck for your hubs. I hope the best for you!
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### Author:  [@Eric\_aus\_Chemnitz](https://unicyclist.com/u/Eric_aus_Chemnitz)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2023, 11:17am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/29 "2023-04-21T11:17:12Z")
Thats a great weight. It’s nearly half the weigth of the ligthweight Q-Axle 32h disc hub. If it offers the same strengt, it’s a really great product.
This design looks like it would not allow fpr a disc version without gaining a lot of weight.
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### Author:  [@Maxence](https://unicyclist.com/u/Maxence)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2023, 12:03pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/30 "2023-04-21T12:03:34Z")
> [@Eric\_aus\_Chemnitz](#):
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> It’s nearly half the weigth of the ligthweight Q-Axle 32h disc hub
Are you sure? It looks like the 318g announced by Qu-ax are including the bearings and spacers.
> **[QU-AX Q-Axle Disc-hub, Full-CNC, black 32 holes - QU-AX, 114,90 €](https://qu-ax.de/catalog/QU-AX-Q-Axle-Disc-hub-Full-CNC-black-32-holes)**
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> Incredibly light unicycle-hub with a hollow 24 mm axle and a light aluminum-shell.
> - (w bearings, screws, spacers): incredible 318 g
As the bearings seem to [weigh ~60g each](https://qu-ax.de/catalog/Bearing-for-Q-Axle), that makes the hub ~200g. A bit more than this new Ti hub, but not twice the weight.
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### Author:  [@unicycleharry](https://unicyclist.com/u/unicycleharry)
#### Post date: [April 22, 2023, 1:17pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/31 "2023-04-22T13:17:25Z")
I would also be interested if there was a 100mm disc version in the future.
I believe there are no options on the market right now for non-steel isis disc hubs in 100mm bearing widths.
In the past, I have only seen some non-disc titanium/aluminum hubs and aluminum disc 125mm hubs [Nimbus 36H Disc Aluminum Hub - (125mm) | Unicycle.com](https://www.unicycle.com/nimbus-36h-disc-aluminum-hub-125mm/)
I think the muni and road unicycle market needs this 😀
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### Author:  [@www.einradshop.ch](https://unicyclist.com/u/www.einradshop.ch)
#### Post date: [April 22, 2023, 7:46pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/32 "2023-04-22T19:46:15Z")
The Mad4One Ergal Hub weights around 315g total incl. Bearings and Screws
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### Author:  [@hillin](https://unicyclist.com/u/hillin)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2023, 7:43am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/33 "2023-04-24T07:43:22Z")
> [@Eric\_aus\_Chemnitz](#):
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> Thats a great weight. It’s nearly half the weigth of the ligthweight Q-Axle 32h disc hub. If it offers the same strengt, it’s a really great product.
They are not really ready to compare. The [Q-Axle hub](https://qu-ax.de/catalog/QU-AX-Q-Axle-Disc-hub-Full-CNC-black-32-holes) is indeed only a little bit heavier than ours as @Maxence has pointed out, which is respectable since it’s aluminum vs titanium; but it made a lot of compromises to achieve that weight. Aluminum is already not a strong material for hubs, it was made even worse by hollowing the axle out, so its strength won’t be on the same order of magnitude with our (solid) titanium product. In fact, the official page says:
> for long distance and light muni (no drops, jumps, Trial)
While our product is actually tested in years of abuse of urban and trial unicyclists.
> [@Eric\_aus\_Chemnitz](#):
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> This design looks like it would not allow fpr a disc version without gaining a lot of weight.
> [@unicycleharry](#):
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> I would also be interested if there was a 100mm disc version in the future.
Disc version is doable, it wouldn’t add much weight, but will be more expensive. In the meantime we’d like to focus on the discless version, since the urban/trials unicyclists are who needed this hub most and would benefit from it most. In the future we’ll see what we can do for the muni community (to which I belong, too!).
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### Author:  [@Eric\_aus\_Chemnitz](https://unicyclist.com/u/Eric_aus_Chemnitz)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2023, 11:14am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/34 "2023-04-24T11:14:49Z")
> [@hillin](#):
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> it was made even worse by hollowing the axle out,
The center of an axle only adds little to nothing to its strength. A bigger outer diameter (what quax did) with a hollow center can be stronger than a slimmer full axle.
When you have two axlel with the same outer diameter, one is solid an on is hollow and the inder idameter is 1/2 of the outer diameter then the hollow shaft has 25% less weight but only has only 6.25% less strength. Q-Axle uses a bigger outer diameter than ISIS (24mm vs 22mm) which then also allows for a bigger inner diameter without loosing strength.
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### Author:  [@hillin](https://unicyclist.com/u/hillin)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2023, 11:48am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/35 "2023-04-24T11:48:31Z")
Thanks for clarifying that. It doesn’t change the point though - it’s for mild use only.
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### Author:  [@turtle](https://unicyclist.com/u/turtle)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2023, 2:56pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/37 "2023-04-26T14:56:20Z")
not interested because it’s made in china and the the saddle base is a copy of mad4one…
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### Author:  [@fetzenschorsch](https://unicyclist.com/u/fetzenschorsch)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/38 "2023-04-26T19:27:22Z")
btw is the urslibar not part of the copy of a mad4one handle saddle?
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### Author:  [@hillin](https://unicyclist.com/u/hillin)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/39 "2023-04-26T21:54:59Z")
Gotta clarify this: we made the handle saddle for our own fun, it’s not planned for sale.
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### Author:  [@Eric\_aus\_Chemnitz](https://unicyclist.com/u/Eric_aus_Chemnitz)
#### Post date: [April 27, 2023, 5:05am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/40 "2023-04-27T05:05:41Z")
The Ursli Bar was first, if i remember it right.
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### Author:  [@Blueblade](https://unicyclist.com/u/Blueblade)
#### Post date: [April 27, 2023, 5:29am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/41 "2023-04-27T05:29:40Z")
This post, to me, implied some kind of partnership between turtle and mad4One, or at least some kind of anti-compete arrangement.
> [@Ursli-bar](https://unicyclist.com/t/ursli-bar/145884/59):
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> Until the Ursli Bar is back in stock at mad4one, we are back in production, place your order here: [https://www.ursli.li/shop/](https://www.ursli.li/shop/)
Whatever the case, I love my Ursli bar! 👍
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### Author:  [@turtle](https://unicyclist.com/u/turtle)
#### Post date: [April 27, 2023, 5:39am UTC](https://unicyclist.com/t/new-products-and-activities-unicycle-dealers-unicycle-manufacturers/277778/42 "2023-04-27T05:39:29Z")
Thta’s kind of right. handlesaddle from mad4one was first. We tested it. We liked the handle, not the saddle. We started producing prototypes and tested it, that took is a longer time. After we found a good solution, I talked to mad4one to produce them. Marco (mad4one) didn’t want, because he said the saddles are not strong enough. That’s why we started to produce and sell them, but then made4one wanted to produce them (when they saw it worked), so we stopped selling them and let mad4one doing it. At the moment mad4one can’t produce them, that’s why we are producing them again in switzerland and selling them.
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